With a loud Jodel: German skating news

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  1. aftershocks

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    :lol: Their costumes were not exactly "Hermit the Frog" green. They are more accurately aquamarine, or teal, with Robin in black pants:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=J7DKgzp_NQc&NR=1
    :cool:

    I agree with lauravvv that the teal colour is unexpected and interesting for figure skating. The costumes actually gave me a sense of modern dance in the colour and styling, and perhaps that is what they were going for, as modern dance is their theme.

    I suggested that they come back with some different costuming (which they probably will) so as to make the program fresh and different for the new season. I only suggested some of the colours in the Pina clip because of their program having been inspired by the film. I don't see the teal colour in any costumes worn by dancers in the clip (but then again, unfortunately, I have not seen the entire film).

    Whatever happens, I'm stoked.

    A trip down memory lane 2006 GPF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBRKR8y9GPs

    The above so innovative (and they are still innovating).

    The 2007 European championship version: :swoon:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ipkwkZBK2Q ... goosebumps (they were skating near home country and were just in such a zone together on the ice!)


    The first time I ever saw or heard of them:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRioQnGihlo Worlds 2005 Casablanca

    The Canadian commentators in the above clip mentioned the lasso lift S/S did as being one of the most difficult pairs lifts. I don't see it being done that much now, altho' commentators seemed to indicate that it was coming back then under the new scoring system because of the ability to get credit under the new system (that is if you have the ability to perform it well). It is a pretty lift visually.
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  2. kirkbiggestfan

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    Loved the costume but he needs to shave his armpit. :EVILLE::EVILLE:
  3. aftershocks

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    ^^ Yeah I recall that Robin's underarm sweat was visible on his costume during Worlds, but so what! He's an athlete, he's human -- they won anyway. :lol:

    And how do you know for sure he doesn't shave his armpits, btw? ;)

    Whatever, with a sleeveless or black top, sweat might not show as much. I don't recall ever seeing Robin with sweaty armpits during a performance, but again, so what. They overcame their nerves.

    (V/T overcame their sloppy sp too, and deserved excellent marks, but I think V/T were slightly over-marked in fp to ensure they would be pulled up enough from their disastrous sp placement to challenge S/S. V/T's overly high scores in fp almost gave them the win, which I didn't think would have been quite fair due to a poor sp. I never liked V/T's sp last season.)
  4. Jeschke

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    in their home country? the 2007 euros were held in warsaw:D poland is not exactly their home country.

    but i wish we would have a big figure skating competition again in germany, dortmund 2004 is so long ago.

    by the way, the jgp in germany was moved from dreseden to chemnitz, because the rink in dresden is under repair and wil not get finish in time
  5. aftershocks

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    ^^ Sorry ... :eek: Although I love geography, I guess I fail at it this time, and I'm reminded once again that it always pays to check and not assume.

    In any case, isn't Poland located next to Germany? So, pretty close, no? Is Warsaw close enough to German border for S/S German fans to have made a fairly quick trip, or is it long hours away from S/S home base?

    In any case, S/S were obviously very inspired when they skated at Europeans that year. They had been dealing with so much at that time: injuries, funding issues, Ingo's political problems. Another reason why I love this team is their fierce loyalty and determination.

    Yes and S/S weren't skating in Dortmund in 2004. So, with S/S multi-winning champions, it is too bad that 2013 Worlds is not in Germany instead of Canada.
  6. Ziggy

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    I thought that the shade of green was ugly and the design really tasteless.

    It wasn't 'simple and chic', it was just bad. :p

    :rolleyes:
  7. aftershocks

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    ^^ Ahhh, so you're 28 Ziggy .... yeah, I know: "What's age got to do with it?" :lol:

    And yeah, perhaps geography had little to do with S/S inspired skate in 2007. ;)


    IMO, just to reiterate, I don't feel S/S Pina costumes look anything close to that Muppet frog's colour -- and his name is "Kermit" btw. :D
  8. Ziggy

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    Ok so let's spell it out for you then:

    1) No, Savchenko/Szolkowy's costumes weren't light green like Kermit. They were dark green like a corpse that has been rotting in the water for 4 weeks. A hideous colour.

    2) Overuse of illusion fabric isn't stylish or elegant, it is a crime against humanity.

    3) Roman's outfit was simple and wouldn't be bad if not for the top tucked inside the trousers, Simon Cowell style.

    4) 'Hermit' was obviously a play on words. As in nobody should actually leave the house wearing that shit. :p
    Also: this.

    P.S. Warsaw is in Eastern Poland, nowhere near the German border which would take you no more than 3 seconds to google.
  9. Hedwig

    Hedwig Rarely here anymore but I try to be better!

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    While you are at it - I suggest you not only google geography but also history. Then you would know that Germany and Poland had a lot of issues in their history and that to call S/S competing in their home country when they compete in Poland could even be considered in insult in Poland.

    And for your information - just because a country in Europe may be close to another it does not mean that they are similar or that they feel the European spirit in a way that they root for people from other European countries in sports. That is such a strange concept that Americans have.
  10. sus2850

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    I can't believe that anyone can see green in their costumes, it is a blue shade. And a great one, I think (well, that is personal taste, but definetely no green. Unless you also call turquoise a shade of green instead of blue...)
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    I guess a lot would depend on what color your computer/TV screen is set at. I see it as a darker turquoise/greenish.

    I like the costumes, very modern dance but I can see her wearing more of a unitard with a small skirt as well.
  12. sus2850

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    I assumed Ziggy saw them live. I did. But of course: You can never know what others see, I had a colourblind friend who always got furious when others tried to ask him about what exactly he sees. I guess it is futile to argue, sorry... :)
  13. la.louise

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    I think Aliona herself described the colour as petrol. Petrol is actually a shade of greenish blue.
  14. Ziggy

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    Ok, correction: A hideous shade of green/blue. :p
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    What a stupid statement, really. A rotten corpse doesn't look anything close to it. Any logically thinking being would undesrtand that even without seeing it.

    Just your personal opinion. Not fact, or anything close to it.
  16. lauravvv

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    Or bluish green :). At least that's what my TV (adjusted to show quite natural colours) and two computers (in various videos) show.
  17. aftershocks

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    Hi Hedwig, and thanks! Points very well taken. Might make interesting further discussion in Politically Incorrect forum ... or not. ;) So sorry to offend Europeans and others from any country for my uneducated geographical comments. However, my comments didn't extend to the notion that European fans are all that skating family friendly ;) (despite the fact there has historically been a lot of political region-based bloc voting among ISU judges).

    Most of all, it'd be so cool to be able to ask Aliona and Robin about their memories of that inspired skate! And that is "Robin" btw, Ziggy, not "Roman," unless you're making another play on names that has gone completely over my head. :D

    As far as your detestation and dastardly dismissive descriptions of the colour of S/S Pina costumes, Ziggy :blah:

    And yeah I'm sometimes too lazy to google and sometimes leave that to smarter 28-year-old know-it-alls who enjoy "breaking things down" for us less knowledgeable more lazy know-it-alls. :lol:
  18. Hedwig

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    No you didn't. Others have done so however in the past. And your comment about the bloc voting (that you think happened) goes in a similar direction.
    Judges from countries like Ukraine and Russia might be closer than say a judge from Spain and Canada (although today you never know) but again - that is because of history. And if the judge from the Ukraine happened to be from an oppressed by the Russians family it might even be the opposite.
    For the rest - there is no reason why for instance a judge from Poland and a judge from France should be any closer than the respective judges with a judge from the US.
    Actually, someone from Poland might have an extra incentive not to satisfy someone from Russia.

    For someone from the US Europe often seems to appear like one big thing with several slightly different states. That we are all in fact completely different countries that are at times as dissimilar as can possible be is apparently hard to grasp. And that there are not many common goals and wishes as well.
    I hope that it changes because I am a big fan of the European idea but we are far from being there.
  19. aftershocks

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    European history is fascinating, absolutely. Personally, I've never thought of Europe as "one big thing." FS history is quite fascinating too ... it has yet to be fully researched, analyzed and written. As far as politics-based scoring and "bloc-judging" of various kinds, I doubt I'm alone in "thinking" it happened/ happens.

    However overly dramatic (and distracting at that moment) Terry Gannon might have been in his "political/ethnic history-related" comments during the 2007 Europeans broadcast of S/S fp, the connections Terry was trying to make were interesting. He only left out the fact of Robin's multi-ethnic background (German mother/ African father).

    I actually am a fan of global unity ... and fs is a sport that is progressing more in that direction, only being held back and confounded by antiquated traditions, structures, regulations and politics. The bonhomie and bonds among skaters (and fans too) is helping to break down perhaps some of those antiquated and artificial divisions.
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    Aliona Savchenko/Robin Szolkowy decided to do a new free program after all as Robin and Ingo told the German press.

    "As always it will be something entirely new", Robin is quoted.
    "Everything has to grow and now we are ready to interpret this music", Aliona said.
    Ingo said that they first wanted to keep Pina and only change a part in the middle but it didn't work out the way they wanted and so they decided to do something different.

    But the music is still secret. :)

    http://www.freiepresse.de/SPORT/Kuermusik-bleibt-vorerst-ein-Geheimnis-artikel8094793.php
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  21. Eislauffan

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    Maylin Hausch/Daniel Wende have been withdrawn from Cup of Russia. This does not look good. They had some personal problems over the summer, including death and illness in their families.
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    thanks for the info.
    sounds not good.

    so they´re just not in form yet?
    hope they have enough strength and courage to move on.

    despite nathalie weinzierl showed great form at the jgp in austria.
    showed triple lutz in sp (in combo) and fs. the fs was perfect except a minor mistake at double axel.
    great to see hecken will get some challenge for her spots at euros and worlds.
    this could only be good for german skating
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    :(:(:(
    My friend was aiming there just to see them.
    But even worse for H/W. I wish all the best for them.
  24. Eislauffan

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    Update on Hausch/Wende: I heard today that they are back training and want to start their season later. Their first competition probably will be German Nationals in December.
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    Wow I just learned that Robin is 33. I never assumed that. He seems so young. I guess the pairs skater shelf life is higher than singles.
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    Piairs shelf has always been the longest amongst all FS disciplines
  27. Jeschke

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    this would be a very late start. no grand prix, not b-seniors, seems they will likely drop all the way down in the rankings
  28. Jeschke

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    any informations why angelika dubinski got no jgp? she looked promising last season with solid jumps.

    am a little confused about that
  29. sandra_persch

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    She must not have done as well in the 3 monitoring sessions the German Fed had. Though rumor has it that the spots for Chemnitz aren't final yet and that its only being decided after the JGPs in SLO & CRO
  30. Hedwig

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    Plus Robin did not compete internationally for a long time. He was still skating and training of course but the strain of: "Oh, it is an important competition, I will have to skate through injury." was not there. Maybe that kept his body intact.
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    Hausch/Wende are currently ranked 10th with 2082 points. For this season, going into Euros, they should be relatively safe, since only two European teams, Stolbova/Klimov (1904) and Vartmann/Van Cleave, (1311), will (probably) catch them points-wise. (Technically, so could Kemp/King or James/Cipres, if they racked up big GP points and made GPF, but that's not very likely.) The rest of the teams within striking distance have either split, dropped out of their GP event (Gerboldt/Enbert), or would compete at 4C's. There's also no guarantee that Stolbova/Klimov will be competing at Euros.

    For Worlds, it's a different story, because Lawrence/Sweigers, Moore-Towers/Moscovitch, and Denney/Coughlin, too, are all likely to overtake them in ranking points.

    Where it gets rough for them is next season: 1013 points will drop off, and the remaining 1069 will be factored by 70%. While a bunch of other teams will also lose points from 2010-11, many will have earned Senior B and GP points for this season. I don't see them falling out of Top 24, though, especially with 7 teams in the Top 30 having split or retired -- they should fall of the list next season), even if the "split couple" teams with two GPs do well, and being Top 24 for this season got them a guaranteed GP spot.
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    that´s what i meant, but thanks for your detailed look on that.
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    I meant the split teams should fall off the list next season. Hausch/Wende should still be Top 24 when they re-do the lists before GP selection, as long as they skate at Euros.
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    but 24 is really distracting, regarding they could establish themselves in the top10- however that could have happened :D
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    Any reason why pairs skaters would last longer than dancers? I'd think that the fact that they don't have to jump would help their bodies last longer.
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    If I'm not mistaken, Robin's the oldest skater currently competing and has been since the Kerrs retired. IIRC, Pang and Tong are the only other active skaters who were born in the 1970s. And as was pointed out, Robin didn't really compete at a high level when he was younger, which may have helped him.
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    Robin and Jian Tong are a month apart in age (July and August respectively) and both started competing in 1996. Tong has only had one parter; Robin has had three.

    Szolkowy and Tong are 33, Pang will be 33 and Kavaguti will be 31.
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    The ISU World Rankings are meaningful only in group seeding at championships and for giving out GP assignments. H/W are top 10 right now in WR, but I don't know who thinks of them as the 10th best Pairs team in the world. It means they've done well enough in Senior B's over the last few seasons to rank them more highly than teams that formed last year and/or are from countries that rarely send pairs to Senior B's. Likewise, I don't think if the were 20th in WR at the beginning of next season that they would be necssarily 20th in the world in quality, just that they competed less this season.

    Personal bests are much better indicators of strength than WR.
  39. Jeschke

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    wow. great scores for koch/nüchtern at the jgp in istanbul!

    56 points overall, 33 in tes that´s really great.
    hope this junior couple will develop more and more and will retain much longer than our last promising junior couple (frohberg/gießen)
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