With a loud Jodel - German skating news part 2

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  1. kwanfan1818

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    Savchenko has enough experience to handle it. She and Szolkowy can skate together in their sleep. Maybe it will be like DWTS, where her new partner goes on tour with them to get some practice in. They could even add a trio number to the show :smokin:
     
  2. MissJD

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    Hahaha! I don't doubt Aliona's ability to do much. I just wonder if the new guy can handle it/ her! ;) (Off to watch all of massot's performances in case that rumor is true.)
     
  3. Irish-Angel

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    Bruno Massot....... hmm I have to admit, I wouldn´t even have considered him. So that´s why P/M split? Ingo Steuer seems to form a "French connection" lately :) I don´t know what to think of it at the moment...... if this is going to happen I would have thought about Tran too... I still wonder if this is true, because it is said that S/S have signed up a 3 years contract.
     
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    I saw a short rehearsal/warm-up of CSOI in Vancouver once. Sale literally yawned as Pelletier lifted her on auto-pilot. I'm sure Savchenko can manage anything.

    ETA: A German connection hasn't helped Steuer, because of his Stasi past and the government embargo on paying him or letting their army athletes pay him. I wonder if the French Fed will pay, and if they'll switch to France? It wouldn't be the first time France granted a passport to a Pairs woman with at least two already.
     
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  5. Irish-Angel

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    Yes of course...but don´t underestimate her .....I wonder if he can manage her on a personal level :D
     
  6. Irish-Angel

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    Ingo hasn´t ruled anything out, for which country "his" pairs are going to skate....it has been discussed in that thread before, the "new guy" from the DOSB (German Olympic Fed) sounds like he wants to put the issue "Steuers past" up on the agenda once more. The DEU and a lot of officials in german figure skating don´t want to let him go.
     
  7. hanca

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    If Aliona is the one who would change the country and get French citizenship, does it mean that she will have triple citizenship? Ukrainian, German and French? That's some collection!
     
  8. MissJD

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    We've all been wondering about Aliona's possible success with Massot, but what will Robin do now? It seemed like they had planned to do shows to support themselves and now she's kinda dumping him to keep going. Does he have another means of support I don't know about?
     
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    He could study, he can find a job...he can do anything he wants to. I am sure he will be able to find something. He could for example do some coaching. Or help Aliona with her new partnership the same way Stanislav Morozov did for Voloszhar.
     
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    Now with all this guessing about Aljona and a new partner. Wouldn't she have to sit out a season and get released by the German Fed before she could skate for France?
     
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    Just one season. But as it takes some time for a pair to gel and I am sure they wouldn't want to compete if they are not quite ready yet, it may be a good thing not being able to compete for a year.
     
  12. Irish-Angel

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    The big question is: can they (S/S - S/M) do both? Aliona has never strike me as someone who isn´t loyal. Same goes for Ingo. I wonder if that arrangement (show with Robin, compete with Bruno Massot) has been made because of Robin :confused:
     
  13. Irish-Angel

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    I wonder if Ingo will use himself and Aliona as some kind of bait ahead of the german ministry of internal affairs (which still refuses to pay him) now. He has made himself quite elusive over the last years, but now is the time, that Germany might really loose both. That sounds to be a good reason to discuss that "Steuer case" again....
     
  14. Jeschke

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    so, as the season is over, what's up with our skaters?

    will wende/wende continue?
    they seem to be there for quite a while but have never been that good, and that's even with that hard previous season. and there is still room for improvement. any news about them?

    zhiganshina/gaszi?
    still shame about the silly mistake in the free dance, which costs germany the 2nd spot (if we don't count the fact that kolbe/caruso lost their spot with their suboptimal short dance itself). will they move on?
    they really need a change of programs, i like the voidy programs once in 4 years, but they need to find something other for them. romeo&juliet didn't work out quite well, but there should be some other possibilities.

    kolbe/caruso:
    promising start, great last season and this year they seem to have stagnated. the short dance didn't get very high marks anywhere. they really need to develop, potential is obviously there.

    koch/nüchtern:
    lots of work to be done; very promising in juniors, but these programs this season really weren't any good vehicle imo.

    lorenz/miart:
    does this pair really exist? which country will they represent?
    maybe the question seems silly itself, as miarts name is mentioned in it :D

    savchenko/massot:
    will the german fed be able to put enough pressure on the politicians finally to pay for ingo and aliona?

    prölss/blommaert:
    as aliona is staying i cannot see them switching to steuer any soon; hope they can improve and develop towards the next olympics.
    she really needs to work on ehr single jumps, regarding that 2 seasons ago, she did 3flip quite well and now stumbles with the toe. puberty monster.

    vartmann/van cleave: hope they get a mental coach for aaron and hang along. they made such a great progress towards this season and it's more than a shame, this didn't work out better. mari even jumped clean 3s at the beginning of the season; main problem seems to be aarons mental fitness. i absolutely love this pair.

    weinzierl: really should look on her programs; 2 seasons in a row she had quite fitting shorts, but her free (especially this years) were nowhere close and didn't fit her style at all. really needs to work on more difficult free skate layout. hope she will learn and profit of ehr 2 grand prixs next season.

    hecken: will she ever bounce back? have many doubts with promising herceg (hopefully injury free) and bock moving up. they could be great,e specially herceg.

    men: well, it's all about liebers, that's a shame; streubel had a nice outing at europeans, but a lot of work to be done in his overall skating; martin rappe seems like the best overall 2nfd skater, but he didn't have the big jumps. let's see what will happen.

    although some ups and downs, i think we had some quite nice results.
    go on german skaters!!!
     
  15. Irish-Angel

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    That was sad, especially after such a promising start with a 7th place after the SD. I thought the discussions from the Eurosport commentators were interesting here. As I like their programs so far (and they are really good in telling a story) I´m with Hendryk Schamberger here, who claimed that there is quite a risk now, to dump these kind of programs and sink into that big meaningless middle with no recognition value at all.

    Why is that? Wouldn´t it be great for such a pair to learn from someone like Aliona? If they would be an already established pair with real medal chances, I would agree with you..

    Absolutely agree with you here. Do you know who is choreographing her programs? I would go to a good and experienced choreographer. Has helped Peter Liebers as well...
     
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    He should get a coaching license. In Germany he would be a made man in short amount of time, I´m sure ;)
     
  18. Irish-Angel

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    I´m almost (;)) sorry to bring this up again... I´ve done some "homework" about the time where the Stasi accusations against Steuer came up...and it seemed that he wasn´t the only coach in Germany who was affected. Can someone tell me, how can it be that the one coach is still allowed to work in ski jumping, and the other one was allowed to travel to Turin (Olympics) unbothered because of the DSV wanted him to be there?
     
  19. Messalina

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    I'm envious of your getting Hendryk Schamberger's commentary. He is one of my all-time favorite FS commentators, knowledgeable and fair. I was never quite as enamored of Daniel Weiss. Who are the usual German commentators in this day and age? Is Marina Kielmann still announcing? Does Kati Witt get wrangled to do it much?

    ETA: And I totally agree with both of you about Natalie's free skates. She is energetic and spirited in the short. Then it all unravels in these terrible long programs she is getting saddled with. It's nice to see a German lady break the top 10 again, and I think she could rise even higher with some more support.
     
  20. Jeschke

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    as sad as it may seem, i see her nowhere close to that now, until she gets up her technical content quite fast. her 2lutzes and flip plus 2a3t last year in the free were quite a mark, but this year, she has seemed to stagnated in terms of that. i know she has 3t3t now in the short, but doesn't seem quite ensured. the level in ladies skating has increased that much; all the top ladies have 3-3 and 2a3t at least, you really have one of those combos to get into top 10.

    as far as i know she had an (for me) unknown italian choreographer; but maybe the german fed is willing to invest in her the same es in liebers. though i do not know, who pays for the choreographing? the fed? the skater? maybe tatjana can help with that question.
    as i heard, prolls/blommaert got their new programms from lori nichols so maybe we get some decent and suitable choreo from whomever for weinzierl.
     
  21. sus2850

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    Choreographer Francesca Cotogni is now based in Mannheim (since September 2013). I guess she is payed for by the MERC (skating club). I think Nathalie is quite happy working with her.
     
  22. Jeschke

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    thanks for the info.
    if cotogni is based in mannheim, i 'fear' weinzierl will get her new programs again from her. but maybe they got some feedback or someone of the team read fsu und she'll get two decent programs. we have to admit the shirt programs of otogni were quite good; and maybe weinzierl didn't want to show two similar styles in the programs. she has great musicality and hope she will go up the rankings now with getting 2 grand prixs.
     
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    Rudi Cerne is usually commentating for ZDF during the olympics. He became a successful TV-host after his skating career.
    Daniel Weiss is doing the commentary for ARD. Hendryk Schamberger/Siggi Heinrich work for Eurosport. Since Eurosport
    is the only TV-station that shows Euros/Worlds in Germany you don´t hear Cerne and Weiss very often. Kati Witt did a little bit of commentary with Daniel Weiss in Sochi for the first time. Marina Kielmann works as a coach in Berlin as far as I know.
     
  24. Irish-Angel

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    Isn´t it Lori Nichol who did the programs for Peter Liebers (Sherlock Holmes and Clocks) as well? So Germany seems to have a connection to her, and she did a great job for Peter. I haven´t seen Prölss/ Blomaerts programs so far, but I´m looking forward to it.
     
  25. sus2850

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    It is more a "geographical" connection as Lori Nichol regularly comes to Oberstdorf to work with Carolina Kostner, so other skaters like Peter Liebers and now Annabelle and Ruben use that opportunity to work with Lori as well. Usually the skaters pay themselves, promising ones sometimes get help from the DEU.
     
  26. Irish-Angel

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    Hey, it´s good to know, that there is not only me who enjoys Hendryk Schambergers (and Siggis of course) comments :). I´m really glad we have Hendryk Schamberger. Though I think that Daniel Weiss and Kathi Witt did a very good job in Sochi, I missed Hendryks comments pretty badly there. I agree, both Hendryk and Siggi are very fair, and what I like about Hendryk the most, is that he always shares the scores with the audience, and always tells how many points for which element, instead of getting all emotional after a program, which seems to be over scored or under scored. He is both, entertaining and knowledgeable, and that´s a good combination.
     
  27. Irish-Angel

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    Thank you for the info!
     
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    It wasn't Lori who choreographed "Sherlock Holmes" (she indeed did "Clocks" and not only). We talked with Peter about this program and about how and when he started working with Canadian choreographers at Europeans:

    http://absoluteskating.com/interviews/2014peterliebers.html

    So, no, in his case it's not exactly "geographical". :)
     
  29. Dolore

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    I missed Siggi and Hendryk dearly in Sochi. ZDF and ARD turned it into a disaster.
    Rudi Cerne just talked way too much during most programs. And it wasn't even useful because he mostly just kept repeating himself. At the beginning of the program he would say what the skater has planned, then he pointed out which elements are coming 20 seconds beforehand, then hementioned said element again once it actually happened. That sometimes wasted more than half of the program. I understand they feel the need to explain skating to the audience but I hardly doubt that this is a way to excite new fans. For me it completely ruined the experience because I couldn't concentrate on the programs. I nearly yelled at my television for him to shut up already several times :lol:

    Daniel Weiss didn't talk as much but I didn't find him very helpful or pleasant to listen to either.

    Kati Witt was eye candy and only talked about choreography and emotions. And she outright mocked ice dancing and made it sound as if it was only about pretty dresses and emotional music. I found that very insulting.

    Not to mention that they hardly broadcast any skating and preferred to show minor qualification rounds of other sports or football ...

    You can't imagine how happy I was to listen to Eurosport again :lol:
     
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    I must say I was very pleased with Mr. Weiss and Mr. Cerne on ARD and ZDF and I did not really like comments of German Eurosport, so I prefer to watch British ES (player).