Will We Ever Going To See a Quad Axel??

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  1. jettasian

    jettasian New Member

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    Quads were a few and a dime 5-10 yrs ago. Now, almost every male skater has it (even many of them still can't skate). Quad Toe is the obvious choice. And we are starting to see Quad Salchow and Quad Flip, even Quad Lutz. I wonder if I will ever get to see a Quad Axel in my life time. :lol:
     
  2. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    Takes too much effort for even a sp. 4 and a half rotations! Brezina has a huge 3a but like trying it may be too dangerous or it would just be << probably. Can someone be so powerful as to use a forward takeoff to do 4 1/2 times and land? Landing would need a strong blade and boot.
     
  3. Japanfan

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    I would think that if it is physiologically possible, we'll see it. But I don't know whether it's possible.
     
  4. Spazactaz

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    this guy landed forward on an attempt :p
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG_uc4O3DVE

    it would need to be someone who gets crazy snap into their rotation... and nobody except for Konstantin Menshov is really coming to mind. but he's done 4+4 combos and stuff.
     
  5. lala

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    Long ago a triple axel was considered impossible because it has 3 and a half revolutions in the air. May be some day someone will land a quad axel. First I would like to see a quad flip, however.
     
  7. spikydurian

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    We never know the future ..... Figure skating is first and foremost a sport, and if athletes are allowed to push the boundary and be rewarded for taking risks, then we may see quad axels in competitions.
     
  8. walei

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    I seem to recall there was an article that said human is capable of doing quints.
     
  9. misskarne

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    Ilia Kulik landed one off the ice, but I haven't heard of anyone trying it on the ice.

    I remember watching Gachinski's SP at Euros last year and thinking, "Holy CRAP, that was so high, he had time for one more!". But I think whoever does try it is gonna need a triple Axel that's massively rock-solid, and tbh I don't know if there's anyone young enough with one solid enough to try.
     
  10. Evilynn

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    I have a vague memory of Yagudin saying he tried a few attempts in practice, but didn't get around on them (before the hip injury, of course).
     
  11. antmanb

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    I remember reading somewhere that both Yagudin and Pluschenko attempted a few in practice.

    I also remember reading that Viacheslav Zagarodniuk had played around with quad axels in a harness, and attempted some without.
     
  12. skatingguy

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    I think in order to see 4A you would need to see skaters start to land 4T at a younger age then it is currently - Gachinsky landed a 3A at twelve - so if skaters could master the other quads by their late teens - the way they do with triples today - then you could see someone trying to add a 4A to their repertorie.
     
  13. unicorn

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    Plushenko said he never tried a 4A in one of his interviews. Some rumors spreaded by his fans said he did.
     
  14. Eyre

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    I'm sure we will. The question is when?
     
  15. antmanb

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    If you watch the clip up thread that someone posted to the small medal ceremony at Europeans 2012, Pluschenko seemed to suggest the person attempting them that he was referring to was himself....or i missed the joke that caused the laughter, but he then says "it's true" afterwards.
     
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  16. essence_of_soy

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    On the one hand, raising the technical bar is exciting for the sport.

    But on the other, jump injuries can take out a skater like that. You only have to look at skaters from the 1970s and 1980s and that they had pro careers reaching 10 or 15 years. Dorothy Hamill is still skating and she retired from the amateur ranks in 1976.

    The flip side is that Tara Lipinski barely skated two years before she had to give up touring entirely.
     
  17. rayhaneh

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    Maybe it's a silly question, but isn't there a higher risk of injury to the body due to the higher strain - not just to land it but to train for it on a daily basis? Especially if that means you are going to start training all the other quads at a younger age? or does the number of rotations change little, i.e. training for a triple salco has about the same impact on the body as training a quad salco?

    EDIT

    Sorry, your post wasn't there when I started writing mine ;)
     
  18. lala

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    No, Plush said in an interview he never tried quintuple
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  19. Eyre

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    never mind.
     
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    Can you post what exactly he said? That does not really matter, I am just curious.
     
  21. antmanb

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    I don't know if you are asking me or lala, but the link lala put to the Europeans small medal ceremony is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-6WJ6O0wB8

    A rough transcript of the section in question (from around 9min40) is:

    Question: Is it possible to do a quad Axel?

    Evgeni Pluschenko: Yes, in the future, yes, for sure. I know one guy, uh, who almost made it, the quad axel. So in the future yes.

    Q: Have you tried it?

    EP: [nods] I tried it.

    [audience laughs]

    EP: [shrugs his shoulders, smiles] It's true.
     
  22. unicorn

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    That's very vague. Besides it's very different between try and serious practice. I remember in one of his interviews, when asked who could possibly do a 4a, he mentioned a young Russian skater, Artur Dmitriev I think.
     
  23. unicorn

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    So far, obviously it's very clear he practiced 4S and 4lz, but not 4F and 4A
     
  24. lala

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    But what you were arguing was he never tried:

     
  27. unicorn

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    That's my mistake, :p obviously here I mean serious try. I know it's confusing
     
  28. lala

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    Plushenko thinks the quintuple is impossible. :), but the 4A is possible
     
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    That's his opinion, interesting. But some people think a 4A is more impossible than a quintuplet T. It would be interesting to see how the jumps go after 10 years.
     
  30. VarBar

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    All I know from Yagudin's interviews is that he attempted the 4A just once in practice and that he chose to give up on further attempts because he almost broke his neck on the landing. And I also recall Plushenko a couple years ago saying he never tried the 4A but felt it was such a hard jump that whoever would be able to stay on one foot on the landing would probably need like 20 seconds to pull themselves back together afterwards before ever continuing with the program.
     
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