Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Jenna, Feb 9, 2012.
I took Sylvia's advice from this post.
Just curious, but what's the difference between "no way!" and "she doesn't stand a chance"?
I think that all four girls will have a good shot at the title and medals.
I think that one area that Lipnitskaia has the advantage is consistency and spins. Her spins get her tons of GOE, as they should. Gracie has good jumps, but I think that overall, the Russian girls are better in the PCS department. Gracie's programs are rather empty and her posture is not great. Julia is extremely polished and is emoting better; Adelina has fabulous SS and good musicality and LIza is a great performer. I also think that the Russians have a bit more in transitions. Also, the Russians have more international experience on their side. Gracie has the highest base value in the SP, though (in terms of jumps). In the LP, I think it all evens out.\
I think whoever skates cleanest will win.
"NO WAY!" is for Gracie haterz.
"She doesn't stand a chance." is for normal people who think she doesn't have a chance.
ok, got it.
I can't wait for the poll in March that will be titled, "Where would Gracie have finished at Senior Worlds?"
Should we start it now or wait until after the competition?
^ only if it's titled "would a clean gracie beat chan with 5 falls?"
I'm just excited there are so many new faces on the international scene.
I voted for "It's going to be really really close between all four of them" but I wouldn't actually bet money on that. At least one of them might bomb. I just wouldn't predict which.
Good post. Out of all the skaters expected to compete at JW, I think Lipnitskaia is the strongest overall skater for the reasons you stated.
I think it's going to be close. Gracie is amazing but she still has a ways to go in refinement, etc.
Another Gracie topic...*sighs and shakes head*
Ooh! I know...
Now, now, we already have PURPLE in this thread representing the Kween, that's quite enough...
Just like Jello-O, there's always room for the KWEEN!!
Gracie Gold is a star, she gets a new thread on the trash can every other day, something even Mao and Yuna could not do.
So I'm a Gracie hater, am I? First I've heard of it. I don't hate anyone.
I wouldn't say "star" yet. As of now, she's won a handful of low level events against much less talented opponents. She'll officially become a "star" if she can manage to "CRUSH" the Russians and actually win that junior world title in a few weeks.
Personally, I think she's a good jumper but I'm not nearly as impressed as some people seem to be. Russia's top 5 or 6 ladies are all strong jumpers (Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, Lipnitskaia, Korobeynikova, Leonova, etc.)...Zijun Li of China is a great jumper...Christina Gao and Agnes Zawadski are great jumpers...it takes more than big and difficult jumps to pull me onto the hype train and as of now, Gracie's a good jumper with decent speed...that's it. Her spins are mediocre, her extension and line need lots of work, her interpretation and presentation are juniorish...she has a lot of work to do in order to be considered a "star" IMO.
Potential star? Absolutely...but she's not there yet. As of now, she's an uber-hyped potential star.
Can there be a button added for those that believe Gracie will find the cure for cancer before the end of the year?
Only if she finds it during the WJC. Otherwise, save it for a separate poll.
And only during the warm-up for the SP...that's important.
Hmm...I llike Gracie, but this is getting ridiculous.
So I vote with Michelle Kwan.
the music for her sp makes me burst out laughing randomly cos it's so bad
it's some kind of techno remix of the dance of the sugar plum fairies
WHOO! Me too!
All hail the KWEEN!!
You can never have enough Kween or enough PURPLE!
It was an attempt at sarcasm
I'm starting to think the age you list on FSU is a truth.
You should have voted for the other option.
Did we really need this poll? Haven't we beaten this horse to death in another thread with a silly title?
Relax. Don't take it too seriously. It's not mean to be..
In the coming days we will see many more topics about Gracie, no matter what the result are at the Jr Worlds, like whether Gracie will have a triple axel next year, will she so her 3-3-3 in the LP. If she wins the Jr Worlds, there will many more polls on her winning senior world and Olympics. If she losses then whether she needs a coaching change, a change in sports psychiatrist, to change in choreographer, to how she remind someone of Kwan, etc, etc. So this is just the beginning, we are bound to see more post on Gracie Gold soon.
Between I am excited to see her jumps and how she develops. However, the hype is very high both from her team and others. i remember the Eurosport guy talking about Gracie at Cup or Russia, this was after the disastrous skate by Gao i believe.. at that point she hadn't even won Jr US title and had only one international competition under her belt. So hype is unparalleled to anything we have seen in recent past, including the Russian Wonder babies.
I think Julia will win the title with no doubt and probably with quite a big margin... and then it's Gracie, Adelina, and Liza fighting for the 2nd and 3rd place...
When I voted you hadn't made the distinction. And it's not necessary to be quite so unpleasant.
Actually the hype began long before the Jr. Nationals, with someone here comparing her with Midori Ito and Tonya Harding.
How about: "Will fans of fs ever become sane and level-headed in regard to the next big hyped potential star?"
"Can Gracie Gold just be allowed to breathe, develop, and grow as a skater?"
"Will fs ever become apolitical?"
I happen to agree that its going to be very very tough. I was impressed with Julia L when I watched the JGPF and Russian Nationals. That kids has small jumps but her presence, musicality and SS are very impressive. The Russian ladies are all polished to be so young, they have alot more experience with going in as the favorite in a competition with other skaters are just as or better skaters. The Russian girls are competing with themselves and their battles are only going to make them all stronger skaters and competitors.
I"m not counting out Adelina and Liza. Adelina's SP at Russian Nationals was perfect. Adelina's SS are fantastic and her presence on the ice is fabulous.
You can hear him speak, i think it is Chris Howarth.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngt3ztfLnnM
he talks about gracie around 6:15
i think all 3 u.s. ladies has a chance against russian if they skate well, but you can't count out zijun li, the 3 japanese ladies.
right now i think thetop 10 spots and jr worlds are gone, it is between the u.s 3, russian 3, japan 3, zijun li, and maybe canadian katlyn osmond and others, but but getting the top ten in junior worlds for the ladies will be hard with russia, u.s., japan, china tough fight.
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