CNN opinion- Why men are in trouble I agree with some of this opinion. I have noticed that when I turned 30, the dating scene changed in that there is no gray area or middle ground. The guys are either great and responsible or just losers. Which make it easy to weed them out and not waste my time. But it has also been my luck that the great guys usually have a significant other. Sigh. But I don't believe that getting married and having a family means you are automatically grown up. I disagree that this article implies that this is what men need to do in order to "be mature". You need to be mature and a healthy person by yourself before you bring in a spouse and children. I also disagree with the "religion" part of what is "manhood". And I say this as someone whose faith is important to them. I have been at many churches and a lot of marriages I see (especially the Evangelicals) make me want to vomit - for a lot of reasons. But that is for another thread. I will also say that while you may find some great singles in churches, you also find some of the worst dysfunction there as well. I would much rather be in a relationship with someone who is upfront about his beliefs than one who is "super into church" and then as a person had all kinds of issues - whether it is maturity, had a completely different worldview, or was just boring to be around. Thoughts?