Why is Tom Zakrajsek such a popular coach?

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  1. BigB08822

    BigB08822 Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I feel dirty for even posting this but I am serious!

    I watched most of US Nationals on IceNetwork, television or youtube. I could point out Tom Z's skaters in the novice/junior ranks just by watching them, I didn't even need to read their information or wait until they got to the Kiss N' Cry. Most of his skaters are lacking in many areas but they seem to be able to pull off enough jumps to place decently. Many of his skaters are known for having awful programs or having a complete inability to show any flare. Their speed and ice coverage is sorely lacking. What gives? Why was he coaching 90% of the skaters at Nationals!? I mean, I guess he gets some credit because they had to beat out others to even get there. I just would not be sending my children to him after watching most of his skaters. Ironically, the skater he coaches who wins a National title this year did so with no help from him, apparently.
  2. Ziggy

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    Because he's one hot DILF! :D

    On a more serious note, Tom Z is an extremely hard-working an dedicated coach. There are stories about him literally sleeping at the ice rink.

    He seems to have a great relationship with his students too.

    Having said that, you are of course right in your assessment.

    Technically, he's doing the right job. But he doesn't seem to be able to package his skaters.
  3. loopey

    loopey Well-Known Member

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    Why do skaters go to him? Because his skaters get decent placement and US judges seem to like them. Most have good jumping technique.

    His "Igor Sphill" just needs a "Marina Zoueva" to compliment him. Someone to help with better choreography, better packaging, and bringing some personality and excitement into his skaters. I hope he picks up a "Zoueve" very very soon, for the sake of exciting skating if nothing else. JMO. (And I admit Zoueve has some hits and some misses with choreo and with costumes, but having the right someone to work with Tom could still work to the benefit of his skaters)

    I too could spot his skaters long before the KnC. I don't get it. How can they all be so similar. Kinda like Z-Bots (you know Tom Z - robots).

    That's what I was yelling at the tv - "Another Z-Bot!" :lol:
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  4. Cheylana

    Cheylana Well-Known Member

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    Agree, but would add speed to this list.
  5. floskate

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    ^^ This! Is there a stroking and basics specialist in the Tom Z team? Who's the blonde lady always in the K&C with him? With Chan there training under Krall, the disparity in speed and edge control has to be more than glaring to everyone training and working there. Obviously they won't all be able to develop SS comparable to Chan's but they all definitely have a lot of room for improvement.

    That said I was impressed with Tom Z's relationship with all his students at Nationals, particularly his feedback to Joshua Farris after that nightmare FS which I thought was very well handled :)
  6. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    He is successful in the sense that he can turn less talented skaters into consistent (and therefore successful) skaters.

    Not everyone is a Mirai or an Armin.
  7. Sk8tn

    Sk8tn New Member

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    Is Tom Dickson still there? He used to do such good programs for so many people.
  8. smarts1

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    All who go to him improve their jumps immensely, so they all end up staying with him. That's pretty much the reason.

    Otherwise, everyone would have left cuz he doesn't know how to package skaters or improve the other aspects of their skating.
  9. PDilemma

    PDilemma Well-Known Member

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    The fact that it is so easy to identify who he coaches (the Z-Bot effect) indicates that he must have a cookie cutter approach to coaching rather than approaching skaters as individuals.

    I think that could eventually backfire on him as skaters grow and mature emotionally and want to express themselves more.
  10. leafygreens

    leafygreens Well-Known Member

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    :rofl:
  11. Rex

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    Didn't people used to say the same thing about Carol Heiss Jenkins?
  12. Nomad

    Nomad Well-Known Member

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    I can only think of five skaters that she's coached - Lisa Ervin, Tonia Kwiatkowski, Aren Nielsen, Timothy Goebel, and Miki Ando. Who are other C-bots?
  13. numbers123

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    Becky Calvin and Delilah something also coach with him. Neither are particularly exciting. He should find out it Ryan Jahnke or Braden Overfelt would join the group for choreography. Becky Bradley was in the knc at times too.
  14. dupagegal

    dupagegal New Member

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    I'm glad to hear Tom Z. puts all his energy into his students. That sort of explains his other quirky habits. He has no energy or use for parents or other coaches. In fact he is as arrogant as anyone could be. So now I understand where he puts his energy.
  15. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Well-Known Member

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    ^He does strike me as being, er... quite unlikable. Not that I have anything to back this up other than a "feeling." :lol:
  16. ryanbfan

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    #saveagnes

    Seriously... she's got the jumps, now we need to package her.
  17. loopey

    loopey Well-Known Member

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    She also seems to have a rather adorable personality. Wish that could come out more in her skating.
  18. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    Wasn't she there with someone this weekend?
  19. Nomad

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    Now that you mention it, she was. I can't believe she's 71.
  20. numbers123

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    Parker Pennington?
  21. Nomad

    Nomad Well-Known Member

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    That's who it was. Thanks.
  22. MorganaLefay

    MorganaLefay Active Member

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    Yes, and she looked FANTASTIC!
  23. Nomad

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    I don't look that good now and I'm nowhere near 70. Bitch. :wuzrobbed:
  24. essence_of_soy

    essence_of_soy Well-Known Member

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    Considering she shares most kiss and cries with Tom, what exactly does Granny Calvin do?
  25. Rex

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    She looks great!
  26. Ziggy

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    She's supposed to be his assistant coach. No idea what's her speciality, if any.
  27. HisWeirness

    HisWeirness Yay, new board!

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    :lol: ;)

    Good question. She's obviously not a "Zoueve" :p

    She does though wear interesting outfits some times. Like that ski-bunny-cowgirl look she had going in the K&C last season.
  28. oleada

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    EWWWWW. :p

    Well, for a technical coach, he is really only very good at teaching the jumps....his students aren't exactly known for being good spinners :shuffle:
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  29. skatemommy

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    A lot of time when you have a lot of good skaters in one location (Delilah) they feed off of each other and push each other to greatness. It's hard being the big fish in a little sea. But when you have greatness around you (DSC) I think it helps a competitive environment.
  30. madm

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    Haha, you mean Braden Overett, former men's competitor. Braden is busy in L.A. getting his sports clothing company going. In case you didn't catch Ryan Bradley's plug in the K&C for his jacket maker, it is Veretto Sports, Braden's company where the name is an altered spelling of his last name. Many of the competitors at Nationals received sample Veretto clothes and were wearing them for practices and in the K&C. They are really nice, well-made and thoughtfully designed (e.g. extra lining at the bottom of women's pants so they don't rip on boot hooks). Braden is an excellent clothing designer and seamstress himself. In the past he has made competition outfits for a few elite skaters in L.A.

    Check out his company at http://www.verettosport.net/index.html. It looks like the website is just getting going so there are not a lot of links to merchandise yet.

    Also, just thought I'd mention that Dalilah Sappenfield's first name has two "a"s in it (Latin spelling). It is commonly misspelled with the American spelling.
  31. dupagegal

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    Now that Braden is retired could he please will his footwork to one of our senior guys....there sure are enough of them who need it.
  32. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    By my count, Tom Zakrajsek coached 7 seniors, 5 juniors and 1 novice at 2011 Nationals. His skaters won a total of 5 medals this year:
    Gold - Ryan Bradley & Max Aaron (Jr)
    Silver - Rachael Flatt
    Pewter - Agnes Zawadzki & McKinzie Daniels (Jr)

    Senior: Brandon Mroz (7th), Alexe Gilles (14th), Alexander Johnson (16th), Joshua Farris (21st, skating injured).

    Junior: David Wang (7th), Timothy Koleto (10th), Will Michael - last-minute alternate (12th).

    Novice: Jessica Pfund (12th).

    Johnson, Daniels, Wang & Michael started with Zakrajsek this season; Koleto's primary coach is Becky Calvin.

    Lauren Dinh (Junior Ladies silver medalist) used to be coached by Zakrajsek but switched to Damon Allen this season.
  33. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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    What I'd like to see is Jason Brown's coach and his choreographer(s) be associated with the Broadmoor team. Jason's skating skills are to die for, but he is at the stage where he needs to learn a 3A and 4T, so it might be a good fit for all concerned.
    Coach: Kori Ade
    Choreographers: Kori Ade and Rohene Ward

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFVz7WJgkK0

    If you haven't seen his LP, you should have a look.
  34. loopey

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    It is actually frightening how good this combination would be. Take Sylvia's list of all Z-Bots and apply Brown's skating skills, choreography, and packaging? :eek:

    Can anyone say "US Skating Domination?" I mean really.
  35. Taso

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    Dang, that footwork into triple flip/double axel/twizzles/footwork sequence (which was really cool) was unbelievable :eek: Amazing first spin combo, great salchow entrance. Nice. Also, that's the longest hair I've seen on a male singles skater ever, I'd imagine someone giving him crappy feedback on it from the conservative old USFSA?

    Gotta say, I wish his choreographer would take out the lame David Wilson facestroking :shuffle: It detracted a bit for me, since at this point I equate it with "LOOK, I'M SINCERE. LOOK. THAT COUNTS FOR SOMETHING, RIGHT?"
  36. numbers123

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    Yes, and I am sorry for both mistakes.
  37. muffinbiscuit

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    Did Brian B. learn his money jumps from Linda Leaver or did Linda send him to other coaches for that? I always wonder how someone who's never done a certain jump can teach it successfully. I'd like to see Jason get a 3 axel by next season or two.
  38. TwizzlerS

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    Rohene Ward had a beautiful quad toe among other jumps. He did a gorgeous 4T in the warm-up at 2006 Nationals. Unfortunately, it wasn't there in the actual competitive program. Perhaps he could help Jason with his jumps.
  39. Ziggy

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    I didn't realise that Alexander Johnson swapped to Tom Zakrajsek this season. Didn't he used to live in Alaska?

    Jason Brown is AMAZING! Thanks for that link. Second most interesting US skater, IMO (after Nathan Chen). Gorgeous, gorgeous basics.

    And it's great to see Rohene Ward doing choreography. :)
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  40. loopey

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    No Ziggy, I don't he did switch to Z. I think people were just speculating on what it would take to get him a 3 Ax.

    I mean really, look at that performance, do you really think that looks like a Z-Bot? :lol: