Why all the Amber Corwin bashing?

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  1. shady82

    shady82 New Member

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    I have often noticed that when someone wants to name a low-achieving skater, Amber Corwin comes up.

    I was just wondering, why is that? :lol: Is it because of her:
    1. Horrible cheats
    2. Laybacks that Dick hates
    3. Practice outfits

    According to Frogs On Ice, 2001 US Nationals: "In practices in Boston, people were talking as much about Amber's sleazy practice outfits as they were about her skating. In one practice that I saw, she was wearing a leotard with so little fabric on the bottom that she had a permanent wedgie that she was continually pulling out again. I was told that at another practice, she was wearing transparent white leggings with thong underwear clearly visible underneath -- well, it would have been worse if she hadn't been wearing underwear....."

    4. Tiara
    5. Zzzzzzzzzz long programs
    6. Results

    Maybe it's all of them. Hmmm... But I find it very funny. She has many amazing points: a never-failing 3toe-3toe, designing her own costumes, a degree in fashion merchandising, FSU Gay Icon status. Her Strawberry Tango program is very alluring.
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  2. Rex

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    :lol: never-failing in its underrotation.
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    Reason 7 !!
  4. IceJunkie

    IceJunkie Well-Known Member

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    Yes, we use "triple toe" loosely. :lol:

    I'd never heard about the sleazy outfits before. Wasn't she a fashion major in college and designed all of her costumes?
  5. Ziggy

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    Between her pre-rotation, under-rotation and a host of millions of other jump technique issues, she'd be on a permanent -3 GOE from me.
    :EVILLE:
  6. haribobo

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    Funny to think that under CoP, those 3-3's never would have counted, she probably would have ditched them immediately and not spent all those years trying to pull the wool over our/judges' eyes, and she'd probably never even be as much of a contender as she was. She had some nice points though.
  7. jlai

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    For all her technical weaknesses, Corwin had gotten more out of her career than other skaters triple her talent. That's one skater I can honestly say, she made a good career given what she had.

    Another skater I can say the same about is Ryan Bradley. :shuffle: (OF course, let's wait until he retires to conclude...)
  8. briancoogaert

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    From me too. And I'm not a hater since I really liked her 2006 LP to "U Plavu Zoru"...
  9. Seerek

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    The 3-3's were ratified in the years that Amber competed under CoP (2003-2006), but they definitely wouldn't have been ratified under today's calling standards.
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    But the standards were the same back then? :confused:
  11. IceKween

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    I wouldn't call it Amber bashing. Heck, she did more with her modicum of talent than anyone would have thought. The problem was that there was just nothing RIGHT about her skating. Her inherent movement and carriage was all wrong, reminiscent of Sarah Hughes. She really didn't have any reliable "triple". Her sal and toe were basically 2axels. Plus she fell all the time or severely underrotated on the higher triples. Her Audrey Hepburn routine with the same plastic tiara my sister had growing up was either gay icon status worthy or just flat out WRONG, hard to even figure that one out it was so WTF.
    Also, at 27 years of age with a fashion degree, one would have expected her presentation via costuming and makeup to have been considerably better. What junior college did she get that degree from? They should rescind it.
  12. Rex

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    That tiara was REAL, I tell ya. She stole it from Shepherd Clark!
  13. IceKween

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    Yeah, did you notice when he created a whole bunch of publicity about his 100K dollar costume and then he withdrew in tears? So we never got to see this costume. Maybe Amber stole a few rhinestones off that costume and glued them on to her Princess Aurora tiara.
  14. overedge

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    FWIW I think a lot of people in skating thought she should have gone off and done something else when it became apparent that she wasn't going to be pushed to the top - and so they resented her hanging around long past her alleged "prime".

    Plastic tiara aside, I always really liked her skating and thought she had some very interesting programs. I was also impressed that she seemed to keep competing just because she enjoyed it.
  15. Rex

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    :rofl: ah, memories. We had STAHS then :respec:

    Amber was not a purty skater, I thought some of her positions were downright awkward, but she did stick it out as long as Kwan did, if not longer. And she got that degree, which is hard for a skater to do while eligible.

    But I could swear her 3/3s were downgraded even under 6.0 at one point or another; I just can't remember the comps where this happened....can someone confirm this?
  16. gkelly

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    How could you tell?

    Required elements score lower than presentation score in a short program, suggestive of a mandatory deductions? But how would you even know what the deduction was for?

    Or maybe the judges just thought the technique had some other weaknesses on the jump combination or elsewhere, but the presentation was better than the technique.
  17. briancoogaert

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    Her 3/3 was not really underrotated, but it was badly prerotated.
    I don't know if prerotation are as bad as underrotation under the new CoP.
  18. IceJunkie

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    Kimmie's 3 toe axel got ratified under CoP, but that was in the early days of inception.
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    As far as I know, Kimmie only landed the 3 Axle once, at 2005 Nationals. That was the last nationals that was judged under 6.0.
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    IceJunkie was referring to Kimmie's triple-toeloop (the so-called "toe axel").
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    How were her sal and toe double axels? That doesn't make any sense to me.
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    I guess maybe because they were so prerotated, it was basically 2.5 rotations, I'm not sure though..

    Anyhow, it was clear the judges dinged Amber for her jump technicque, I remember her technical scores were always low even when she skated cleanly (as low as 4.3 in the 2002 NHK Trophy and 5.2-5.7 for 7 triples at the 2001 US Nationals). :yikes: And because of CoP's absurd underrotation rules, should would be screwed now..

    And you guys should check this site out (takes awhile to scroll down though): http://www.craigheath.com/craigarticles.htm

    Amber's Ideal Day:
    "my perfect day would be to wake up at my beach house, walking to Pilates class while drinking a double tall, nonfat, extra hot latte with two raw sugars from Starbucks, listening to Sting, followed by a game of beach volleyball, lunch at an outside cafe with friends, a sushi dinner, going to a Madonna concert in the evening and finally sitting in a nice, quaint martini lounge with Diana Krall playing in the background."

    :lol:
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    There you have it. Carrie Bradshaw can really skate!
  24. Quintuple

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    a.) When I was looking up what I'm about to say, I found this oddity: Corwin: The Chronicles of Amber

    b.) I think this is pretty legendary: http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpchn05/SEG003.HTM

    I remember that date (Where were you when man landed on the moon?) - I had just joined FSU, and one of the first PBP threads I ever read contained a ton of, "WTF did Amber Corwin do to score 11 points TES in the SP?" It wasn't an incomplete program, no freak malfunction, and she wasn't an OES/OOS/OAS/ONAS. Daaayum. I think that's your #8.

    c.) There's something I've been wanting to say for years that I've only ever thought to myself, but it's so incredibly rude I can't say it here. But it would totally be reason #9.
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  25. DBZ

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    She often prerotated those jumps, meaning by the time she launched herself into the air, her body was pretty much already facing forward like it would be with an axel jump--essentially making the jump easier to complete since, technically, only 2.5 revolutions were actually done in the air.

    It was a common tactic Amber used to disguise her jumping weaknesses.
  26. Polymer Bob

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    A journey well begun is half finished. :slinkaway
  27. Rex

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    You can tell us :sekret:.
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    Wasn't it more pre-rotation?
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    She did have a remarkably long and fairly consistent career, during an era of baby ballerinas and jumping bean flameouts. so good for her to have showed up at US nationals well trained. She did seem to be the consummate student/athlete, determined to get her degree.

    I admit I did crack up at the tiara and headband diva outfits.

    For that alone, she earned icon status. Every year at nationals, the question would be: WTF is Amber wearing?
  30. Rex

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    I preferred that tiara to the headbands. Those things make her look like she had a rash on her forehead.
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    I read that before. Stereotypical day of a preppy yuppie from Southern California. :EVILLE:

    (I'm being an asshole because I'm from NJ. ;) )
  32. Garden Kitty

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    I always liked Amber, and as someone mentioned above, I liked the fact she kept skating because she really seemed to enjoy it. Good for her for going to school while she competed, as well.
  33. shady82

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    She did seem to enjoy it! Especially the costumes.......

    and Quintuple, I would love to hear your reason #9. Send me a message about it if you want. ;)
  34. IceJunkie

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    That is why this woman is FSU's Unofficial Gay Icon. :lol:
  35. skateboy

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    When Amber first started competing in seniors, I remember thinking she seemed to have potential. Then after a few years, I found her skating kind of annoying (JMO), and wondered when she was going to quit. But as she kept going, I began to really look forward to seeing her, and I was actually sad when she finally retired.
  36. Artifice

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    Amber Corwin, whatever her weaknesses were and despites the fact I didn't like her style, actually managed to get to the international with the US team ! That is an accomplishment.
    Many skaters couldn't do that, and she did. So she had the right level. However internationaly she was not really competitive but it can't be said she was bad or without qualities since she earned her spot in the team.

    By the way, other than her discutable technic what I really don't like is her overacted diva attitude, her exageretad confidence. She always seemed to consider herself as the most beautifull and interesting skater in the world, when she was far from being pretty to begin with. Just this presomptuous attitude...
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    By the way, other than her discutable technic what I really don't like is her overacted diva attitude, her exageretad confidence. She always seemed to consider herself as the most beautifull and interesting skater in the world, when she was far from being pretty to begin with. Just this presomptuous attitude...[/QUOTE]

    You have just described a skater that skated for the sheer joy of skating and a person that seems to enjoy her life. I saw Amber at last week's US Figure Skating's Governing Council. Amber is still the same outgoing and pleasant person that fans witnessed during her competition days. :)
  38. CynicElle

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    :cheer2: I can't say I was ever a big fan of Amber's skating, but she always seemed like a sweet person and a hard worker. It's great to hear she's doing well.
  39. CantALoop

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    I think the only thing "diva" about Amber Corwin is her ability to get along great with gay guys. :lol:

    A friend of mine at met her once and said he wishes he lived closer to LA because Amber would've been a great f_g hag. :glamor::hat1:
  40. Artifice

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    Well, Kwan has always demonstrated a sheer joy while skating and she never appeared to me as a presumptuous diva unlike Corwin who just has too much confidence for my taste, especially considering that technically and artistically wise she was never a real master. And the tiara... I like subtle skaters, those who demonstrate joy with more humility.
    Gordeeva or Janet Lynn both are very expressive and demonstrate a real sheer joy in their skating, but they are far from looking like presomptuous divas on the ice.