Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by haribobo, Aug 11, 2013.
Let's see if I can get all the contendors in here...
I think Orozco, and Leyva are locks but the others have a bit more of a fight on their hands to make the team. That said my vote goes to; Leyva, Orozco, Mikulak, Legendre, and Dalton.
I think Mikulak is the lock. He looks like our best AAer. Leyva may not even make the team if he can't get an AA spot. He does typically peak at Nationals or whenever he needs to.
I think Dalton, Mikulak, and Orozco are the biggest locks. I dont think Leyva is a lock at all.
I meant to include Dalton as a lock, as well. I see Dalton and Mikulak as our AAers.
I think Dalton is basically a lock if he can keep it together at nationals.
Yeah, Mikulak and Dalton are the two locks. Leyva and Orozco will make it but I think their spots aren't very secure.
Is it a 5 person team? I'm always so confused by World Championships in the post Olympic years.
I think it is 5 person. I know it is more than the women because there are more events.
Right, that makes sense. I feel very behind on the Men this year. What's been going on with Leyva that people now tend to see Mikulak and Dalton ahead of him as AAers? (not that we don't all know I'd be thrilled to death to see Sam make it as one of the AAers) I assume Orozco is not seen as one of the top two AAers because he hasn't competed AA since London?
Dalton and Mikaluk have been competing very well all year, and winning some competitions with very high AA scores. They have clearly improved. Leyva has struggled to even match his 2012 form, let alone having improved any. Orozco has kept quiet since London, but London showed he is a bit of a headcase.
Thanks! I haven't seen too many men's results since NCAAs where Mikulak obviously had a great meet.
How has Orozco come back from his injury?
Dalton at the American Cup was amazing! I doubt if anyone but Uchimura can top him if he repeats that performance, and very unlikely another Americans (other than maybe Mikulak). I cant imagine Leyva or Orozco doing it with their top levels of last year, and it is questionable if they can even reach those right now.
I actually saw Dalton at the American Cup! Live! I don't know where my head is at.
I'm at the XL Center! Sitting in section 101, row H, over by the High Bar which will be good for my nerves, I'm sure. If anyone is here, come say hi! You can't miss the Michigan merch!
Sam Mikulak on High Bar is like my own tiny personal heart attack.
Also, the US guys still don't seem to have figured out that the goal of the Pommel Horse is not to touch the ground until the routine is done.
John Orozco doesn't look 100%. That leg brace is scary.
Methinks he might have returned too early.
Did I hear that there are 6 men and 4 ladies on the World team?
I say the FIG just needs to dump the pommel horse all together and have the guys do the balance beam. It'd get rid of the most snoozy event ever and replace it with something 1003482023583 times more interesting.
.. or US should hire some decent PH coaches... The likes or Berki and for that matter whole Hungarian Gymnastics team and British team has shown really good work on PH.
Well that, too I just think the event is dreadfully boring and routines look too much the same. It's the one event in gymnastics that I've never even made an effort to learn skills names/values because it just doesn't interest me.
As we near the finish line @ P&G Champs..........
Mikulak, Naddour, Dalton, Legendre, Wynn, & Leyva (though I wouldn't mind Ruggeri in that last spot!)
ETA: Wow, Orozco finished 4th. Hmmmmm.....
I'd have to go with the top 5 - Mikulak, Naddour, Dalton, Orozco, and Wynn, for 5 of the spots. I'm not sure how to decide between Legendre, Leyva, and Ruggeri for the last spot, though I think I'd just go with Paul for being so close to making the team so many times. It's tough for guys like Penev and Senters to tie for the win on vault and still not make the team (or Stannard to be 2nd on pommel), but they aren't factors on any other event so I imagine they won't make it this time.
Here's a breakdown of how many top 5 placements the contendors had-
Mikulak- 4 (5th floor, 5th vault, 1 PB, 1 HB)
Naddour- 2 (1st pommel, 2nd rings)
Dalton- 3 (3rd floor, 4th rings, 4th HB)
Orozco- 2 (2 PB, 2 HB)
Wynn- 3 (1st rings, 4th PB, 5th HB)
Legendre- 1 (1st floor)
Leyva- 2 (5th PB, 3 HB)
Ruggeri- 2 (2nd place floor, 3rd vault)
Modi- 2 (5th place pommel, 3rd PB)
Penev- 1 (1st place tie on vault)
Senters- 1 (1st place tie on vault)
Stannard- 1 (2nd place on pommel)
Men's Sr. National Team: Dalton, Legendre, Ervin, Leyva, Mikulak, Naddour, Orozco, Wynn, Penev, Ruggeri.
And they announced the world's team already: Dalton, Mikulak, Leyva, Naddour, Wynn, and Legendre. Alternates are Orozco, Penev, and Ruggeri.
Picking Levya over Oroczo is quite controversial IMHO when Oroczo even beat Levya handily on his 2 best events- parallel bars and high bar. I think they picked Leyva since they figure he is still their best chance to medal on those events, along with possibly Sam who is surely doing the AA. They also figure he will keep getting better than he was here.
Sorry for Orozco. But I am glad for his knee. And I'm not sure he would have made a final anyway.
What is the format. Only 3 people to do each event. If so I wonder if they will use a 2nd AAer or only use Mikulak for the AA so the other guys can do more events.
Leyva HB PB
Dalton VT FX
Those are their specialties,right? The only conflict I see with having 2 AA is if they go with Naddour over Dalton.
I guess I was just thinking it would seem unfair to Naddour with how well he performed here to only get to do 1 event at Worlds but I guess those make sense. Plus pommel horse is still the only event he really has a chance to do well at Worlds on anyway. I am pretty sure Dalton will still be the 2nd AAer.
Leyva over Orozco??
Well Naddour would also be 1st alternate for all around if Mikulak or Dalton get injured...but yes, this whole Worlds without a team event thing is kind of silly to me in the first place.
The U.S. men's program seems so complicated to me. Lots of points systems, percentages, secretly scored second vaults, moving a certain number of junior guys to the senior second night, etc. I don't expect them to be like the woman's program, as the men are usually older and most of them do the NCAA thing. Are other mens programs in the world like ours?
I'm super gutted to see Orozco shafted after such a stellar night 2 of competition... although I am glad he will be able to heal up a bit before the next wave of big competitions begin.
Leyva has withdrawn from the World team with a shoulder injury.
Methinks it's a rather well-rounded team. Orozco pulled it off at Nats, but it's clear he's still not 100%. I just hope he bounces back (*no pun intended) b/c he is one the most natural AAers we've had in a while.
Leyva needs to step it up. [ETA: WHOA! Just read the news about Leyva's shoulder!!! So Orozco's in?]
Happy for Legendre, Naddour, & Wynn!
And I agree, a no Team year is rather *blerg*.
As someone said on Twitter: Thank goodness our boys don't have to fall into the clutches of Kamp Karolyi and its mysterious shenanigans.
So maybe Orozco will end up on the team after all. Out of the alternate pool is there anyone who would best him on HB or PB?
eta: Looks like Orozco finished 2nd to Mikulak on both those events. I would take him for those and tell him to stop training vault and floor to rest his knee.
Not sure what events Leyva would have competed with that team so I suppose the alternate choice will be determined by who would be next best on the those events. If it was HB and PB then, as was mentioned, Orozco would be next in line. What's funny is that if Orozco finished 2nd on HB and PB then what in the world was Leyva doing on the team for those events? I guess he got a huge reputation boost.
If only 3 gymnasts can compete on each event, then I would assume Orozco is the only choice. Mikulak is definitely doing every event and I would assume Dalton is as well. Lengendre is definitely doing floor I would say, so then Penev is pretty much out, I would assume. Ruggeri is also really strong on floor, so I'm not sure where he fits in.
I would assume it would be Orozco. It really should have been Orozco in the first place. It was obvious that something was still really off for Danell so I'm not surprised he decided it was in his best interests not to go. There are more world championships in his future and, honestly, I'm guessing the most he could have done this year is hurt himself.
Meanwhile, obviously I was to see Sam win, even if he frustrated me TO DEATH with that PH fall. I'm hoping he was just thrown off by the excitement of the moment and knowing he just needed to get through the routine, because he's normally so solid (knock on wood). I'm also thrilled that Stacey Ervin made the National team. What a result for him!
I'm glad to know they aren't locked into Naddour as an AAer because of the results of the Championships. He did very well at this meet and Dalton struggled but he's the one who is really an AA threat and a medal threat on more events. So I'd expect the team to look something like:
Vault: Mikulak, Dalton, Legendre
PBars: Mikulak, Dalton, Orozco
HBar: Mikulak, Dalton, Orozco
Floor: Mikulak, Dalton, Legendre
Pommel: Mikulak, Dalton, Naddour
Rings: Mikulak, Dalton, Wynn
I was surprised Sam didn't vault twice. I assume he still can do two different Vaults since he was the top vaulter at the Olympics, so I wonder if this was just to save his ankles. I'm guessing he'll do two at worlds?
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