Who will be Yu-Na's next coach?

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by JerseySlore, Aug 26, 2010.

Who will coach Yu-Na?

  1. Mama

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  2. TAT

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  3. Arthurnian

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  4. Frank Carroll

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  5. Pam Gregory!!

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  6. Richard Callaghan

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  7. Morozov

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  8. YNK and Asada will coach each other

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  9. other

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  1. onionviper

    onionviper New Member

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    I totally agree with you and my remark was not to start a fight or something, but these days people are way to sensitive...
     
  2. crzesk8dad

    crzesk8dad Active Member

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    Does anyone want to revisit the original question?
     
  3. ponta1

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    Peter Oppegard
     
  4. JerseySlore

    JerseySlore Active Member

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    Has any FSUer in LA seen her "try out" coaches?
     
  5. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

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    Were there good reasons why both Nikodinov and Ye-bin Mok left Oppegard?
     
  6. Morry Stillwell

    Morry Stillwell Well-Known Member

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    One reason is they both entered the Coaching ranks.
     
  7. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

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    Both left Oppegard while they were still very much competing in the eligible rank; The fact that they're both coaching now play no role in that decision.
     
  8. tangerine_dream

    tangerine_dream New Member

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    I don't think girls should be coached by Peter Oppergard, especially not fragile ones who may have self-esteem or body issues.

    One young pairs girl (16-17) who couldn't have weighed more than 90 lbs, if that, told me how berated she was by Peter when she had admitted to him to eating a cheeseburger over the weekend. It's in line with everything else I've heard re: women going to Peter for training, but of course since everything is word of mouth, I can only say that I definitely believe it, but there's no first-hand proof unless that person posts directly.
     
  9. crzesk8dad

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    TD: Your concerns are over exaggerated, just like most chatter heard around the stands in the rink. Secondly, should female pair skaters watch their weight? Absolutely! It just makes physical sense. You are being lifted over someone's head, who is riding on two thin pieces of metal over a frozen ice surface. It's not rocket science.

    On the same note, men should be watching what they eat, how much they exercise, etc. It's part of the regimen when you are an elite athlete. If you can't do it, then don't be an elite athlete.

    Will Yuna have a weight issue? She doesn't appear to currently. Only time will tell. And she has control over that, no one else.

    I will meet you half way on your earlier comment...I don't think anyone with self-esteem issues or body issues should skate...it's a tough sport..everyone (especially some FSUers) is out gunning after you. It can mess with your brain, if you let it.

    You know that expression "if you can't stand the heat...."? It applies to skating in a very big, ironic way. And, the higher up or more the accomplished you are, the more heat you will get. It comes with the territory.
     
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  10. DickButtonFan

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    I don't think yuna will ever have weight issues, her parents are built like pencils and they don't even work out like yuna.
     
  11. galaxy

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    :D
    It will never happen, though.
    TT is a team leader and an advisor of Team Mao.
    Team leader: Tatiana Tarasova
    Main coach: Nobuo Sato
    Jump coach: Hiroshi Nagakubo
    Choreographer: Lori Nichol,Tatiana Tarasova
    Advisor: Tatiana Tarasova
     
  12. sk9tingfan

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  13. Le Amarant

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    It is the Asian genes, I tell ya.
     
  14. attyfan

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    The article is a little ambiguous, IMO. It said:

    "There were some rumors that the Vancouver Olympic gold medalistÂ’s new coach would be a skater who had trained Mao Asada in the past, but her agent AT Sports has denied this. `The new coach is an American man. That rumor is not true,' an AT Sports official said."

    I read this as denying a rumor that Yu-Na's new coach had once trained Mao Asada (referring to Rafael, maybe) and stating that the new coach would be an American man (which Rafael is not). I don't think Mao has ever trained under an American coach. I understand though how the article could be read differently.
     
  15. sk9tingfan

    sk9tingfan Well-Known Member

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    Attyfan, good point:)
     
  16. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

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    Tell that to Magaret Cho :lol:.
     
  17. Jenna

    Jenna Well-Known Member

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    Someone who lives in Los Angeles...? Karen Kwan? Michelle?
     
  18. MikiAndoFan#1

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    I thought Tatiana was part of Mao's team only as a coreographer. Thanks for clarifying things!

    :)

    Is Rafael Arutunian still in California? Maybe Yu-Na will go to him. Or maybe she's going to retire.
     
  19. tangerine_dream

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    Most young and developing girls have self-esteem and body issues. Many flourish thanks to activities like figure skating and dance, and actually learn to love their bodies because of it. Some get lost on their own because those sports are so demanding, but many get steered into disorders by their coaches and teachers. You cannot tell me that a girl who goes down the road to anorexia and attends a ballet school who weighs her every day and tell her that she will never be anything unless she eats less, would have been an anorexic even at a less unhealthy school. She MIGHT have been- but probably not.

    I have no idea how far Peter goes on the eating thing, but I do know many coaches who say "nutrition is not my thing, if there are weight issues I will refer you to a good nutritionist". Coaches are not qualified to give dieting advice, and a coach telling a developing young girl who is by all means already underweight shouldn't give her a demeaning guilt trip over a single cheeseburger. "It's not rocket science" that a pairs girl needs to be small, but it's also not "rocket science" that a single cheeseburger has never made anyone fat, and that a young girl doesn't need to get berated over it.

    That you would imply it's okay because girls "need to watch their weight" in pairs is disappointing. Yes, they need to watch their weight, but considering this girl didn't have weight issues to begin with, this shouldn't have come up from the coach, especially not in that manner.

    To also say that people who have self-esteem issues shouldn't participate in this sport is wrong. They can not only participate, but gain self-respect from it- IF they go with a coach who is careful about their health and places that first.

    Yu-Na probably will never have weight issues, like someone else said, but the problem is that some coaches push girls to obsess about their diet even if they're already too skinny. That's not healthy and it's not necessary. In that respect, I don't think girls who aren't secure enough in themselves to tell the coach to step back when it comes to diet issues should be with coaches who can't clearly see when someone should or shouldn't be dieting. Pushing a girl who's already a good 10 pounds underweight never to eat anything she likes is only going to lead her down the road where food is the enemy and starvation isn't far behind. I've personally known a few skaters with eating disorders and their coach's encouragement of it was the most disgusting part of all.

    Yu-Na eliminated Rafael already, so it isn't him.

    Hmm...what about Sashi Kuchiki? He's not American, he works in the general area (Torrance, Paramount...) and he's a good coach. He's not very well-known but that's never bothered Yu-Na before. It would be a bit strange culturally speaking for a Korean to go to a Japanese coach...but I can't think of anyone else. Though if we are going to go down the culturally awkward pairings, it could also be Miss Li, who works at East West?
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2010
  20. crzesk8dad

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    TD, you and I will have to agree to disagree..skating at the higher levels is 90% mental (just like golf, tennis and other sports). If you don't have it mentally, you won't be successful.

    Miss Li no longer works at E/W...she has been gone for nearly 3 months..she is working for the Chinese Federation in China, developing their ladies singles skaters. So, she's out.

    Sashi is a good coach and great person, but I wonder if the Japanese and Korean cultural challenges would be an issue.

    We shall see.
     
  21. madm

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    Sorry this is off topic but I need to respond to the comments about pair girls' eating habits. Female athletes need to eat adequate calories to sustain their level of exercise. My daughter who is an adult pair skater recently completed a college nutrition course where she calculated that she needs to consume 2750 calories per day given her vigorous level of activity. She eats nutritious food generally, but she also bakes cookies and brownies and eats them too. There's nothing wrong with that as long as she is getting a balanced diet, watching portion sizes, and not eating too much of the unhealthy stuff. There was a good article about nutrition for young athletes in the Denver Post this week that is worthwhile reading:

    http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_16058313

    This is the advice that coaches should be giving their students.
     
  22. Lilith11

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    ITA. That's what my mom always says to me; it's okay to eat sugary stuff once in a while as long as you don't splurge and as long as the rest of your diet is balanced. That's the key here; balance. Plus, as an athlete, you need to eat to have the energy to skate, otherwise, how could you practice and complete your program?
     
  23. Ziggy

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    Nobody will be her coach. She will retire.

    I wanna know who will coach Kwak Kwak.
     
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  24. stjeaskategym

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    I definitely agree, and I'm not questioning your info, but why would a skater be telling her coach about a hamburger anyway? Perhaps the story that was told to you was exaggerated a bit. I think every athlete, high level or not, should watch their weight to an extent. I see no problems with a coach, a parent, etc, telling a child to eat healthy and limit sweets. The world in general would be better off if everyone ate smaller, nutritious, balanced portions.

    I can't see how an athlete training many hours a week and doing cardio is going to gain weight from a single hamburger, a scoop of ice cream, or anything else that they may treat themselves to every once in a while. The ones who starve themselves often seem to mess up their metabolisms, end up too weak to get through training, feel deprived, etc. I would hope no coach would be clueless enough to believe a single hamburger would actually do anything. :lol: If a skater needs to eat healthier or increase their cardio, a coach needs to be careful in the way he/she phrases it. (wow, sorry this is indeed way off topic)
     
  25. tangerine_dream

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    The story is that she was feeling bloated because of what she'd eaten the day before and when she told the coach, he asked her what she ate, and that's when she told him.

    The story may have been exaggerated but a skating dad would say a young girl should basically starve herself because she does pairs is kinda sad. I agree with what everyone says about splurging once in a while being perfectly fine.
     
  26. AndyWarhol

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    "fat doesn't fly. you can either eat or compete"
     
  27. stjeaskategym

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    Ohhh. Well that changes the story a little. If a food doesn't agree with her stomach and makes her not feel well a whole day later when she's supposed to be training, I would tell her not to eat it either. Food is supposed to fuel you for training, not make you feel like crap. Of course this is a lot different than if the coach said "you shouldn't have eaten that one hamburger because now you'll get fat", which he might have. But hopefully he was reacting more to her not feeling well to the point where it was affecting her training. As long as she's not eating hamburgers once a week or something like that, I don't see why a coach would care. And if he does, just go to a nutritionist because the coach doesn't seem to have a clue about food. :lol:
     
  28. kimkom

    kimkom Two Pot Screamer

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    On the other hand, speaking from experience, if you're restricting your calorie intake too much, a hamburger can make you feel like crap a whole day later.

    If you are normally a healthy eater and have a burger once in a while, I don't believe you would suffer for 24 hours because of it. Unless it's food poisoning or another medical issue, I would be looking for other signs of disordered eating.
     
  29. pinky166

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    Hyun-Jung Chi is Min-Jung Kwak's new coach. I don't know if that situation is permanent though or just until her back heals (I don't know if she intends to stay in Korea once she is better or not). Maybe Yuna can coach Kwak :) ?

    Anyways, what about Charlene Wong as Yuna's coach?
     
  30. JerseySlore

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    Exactly what part of her do you think is American and male?