Who should replace Cinquanta & Dore when they retire?

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  1. Maofan7

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    Ottavio Cinquanta & David Dore are now both in their seventies. So, who should replace them at the top of the ISU hierarchy when they retire?

    Figure skating's central problem at the moment is as set out in the following articles - decline in audiences, TV coverage, shows, and tournaments:-

    Washington Post article

    Montreal Gazette article

    The issue of whether COP should be replaced has been addressed in another thread. But, I feel the sports problems go far deeper than just the marking system. So, what do Cinquanta & Dore's replacements need to do therefore to turn around the decline?

    Snooker, like figure skating is now, was only a few years ago a sport in decline. Audiences and TV coverage were falling away and the number of tournaments was dropping year on year. Indeed, matters reached a point where its governing body decided that they either turned things around quickly or the sport would reach a tipping point beyond which recovery would simply not be possible. So what did they do? They appointed a man called Barry Hearn (who had been one of the people responsible for creating the original boom in the game back in the late 1970's/early 1980's), and sure enough within a few years he has completely turned the situation around. Audiences and TV coverage are up and so are the number of tournaments. Moreover, as fans of Eurosport will know, in many ways the increased TV coverage of snooker on Eurosport has been partly at the expense of figure skating.

    Its my opinion that unless the ISU takes decisive action soon to address the decline in audiences, TV coverage, shows, tournaments, etc, then it is likely to reach a tipping point beyond which recovery is simply not possible. Hence, the retirement of Cinquanta & Dore will present the ISU with a real opportunity to find new leadership to take the decisive action that is required to address the sports decline. Whoever it is, it needs to be somebody like Barry Hearn, somebody with the know how, the entrepreneurial spirit, the drive, the connections, the charisma, etc, to turn the sports fortunes around and get it back on track. That is, the road to recovery in my view begins with new leadership.
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  2. Frau Muller

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    The ISU needs new blood from the for-profit world since, in actuality, 'amateur' skating has become pro. I'm thinking someone like Scott Hamilton who knows the ins and outs of linking the eligible and for-profit skating worlds. I'm sure that there are European equivalents...Ilya Averbuch, for starters. Scott or Ilya could guide any policy and rule changes with an eye to greater marketing. Cinquanta and Dore, while very aware of marketing, both came from the earlier genteel 'amateur' world; the ISU doesn't need a continuation of their mindset.
  3. berthesghost

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    I think the future is here now. They have been taking decisive action for years... The gps, wtt, etc... And they all seem to fail. Even gifts that are not their doing ( the olys being in very fs friendly countries instead of being rewarded to developing countries as was the habit in the 60s 70s and 80s) haven't saved it. Even things that have nothing to do with them like fs based reality tv shows, all seem to fail.

    Whomever is hero is, I think one thing he or she needs to work on is repairing the damaged frenimies relationship between eligable and non eligable skating. Stealing pro skating's audience only to promptly lose it 5 minutes later was one of $peedy's epic failures. But whomever this hero is, they better be amazing, because this ship has been sinking for over a decade.
  4. care bear

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    Maria Teresa Samaranch would be my choice.
  5. aliceanne

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    Has figure skating declined in popularity worldwide, or just in the U.S.? I realize the U.S. was a major market for awhile, but it seems as if figure skating is gaining in popularity in Japan and other parts of Asia. The Russian government still apparently supports it.

    It seems that even recreational skating is starting to gain a toe-hold in Asia. I see ISI events in Singapore.

    I'm also wondering if live entertainment in general is losing audiences as electronic entertainment mushrooms. Skating doesn't always translate well to tv and internet. You lose the sense of speed, and the physical differences among the athletes are not as apparent.

    Skaters have all they can do to keep up with the technical demands of skating nowadays, they don't have time for the drama that makes celebrities popular.
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    worldwide.

    Increased interest in Japan and Russia have not balanced out huge declines in north America and Europe. One step forward, two steps back.

    People love to dismiss the decline in US as "just one country" but the isu lost millions of dollars in revenue that they never recouped from any other market. Unless nhk signs a multi million dollar contract to replace the one the isu lost with abc, increased interest in Japan is still a redline item on the isu balance sheet.
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  8. allezfred

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    NHK only shows the NHK trophy these days as it cannot afford the rights to air other events. The Grand Prix series, Four Continents and Worlds are all shown on different channels and audiences are huge. The contracts with the Japanese TV networks are far in excess what any American TV network paid for them even during skating's heyday in the 1990s there.
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    A lot of this discussion is not so much about "Who" as about what direction the ISU should take.

    Should it try to turn elite skating into a professional, audience-oriented, for-profit sport, possibly at the risk of losing its Olympic status?

    Should it encourage other organizations to promote professional skating as entertainment and allow/encourage skaters to go back and forth between non-ISU events and ISU competitions?

    Should it set up and promote separate competition tracks, one aimed at higher-faster-stronger Olympic-style sports fans, other(s) aimed at mass audiences or performing arts audiences?

    Or find a way to adapt or significantly overhaul the existing rules so that skaters will be rewarded for technical skills and athletic risk performed in ways that are aesthetically pleasing to watch and the judging is generally explicable to lay audiences?
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  10. Fashionista

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    The only thing I know is that they shouldn't be from FS-powers like Russia, US, Japan.
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    I wonder if he would be interested,
    The ISU needs someone with that background who is also well-connected/respected in the skating community.
    JMP certainly qualifies.
  13. SpeedySucks

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    The Japanese networks are currently paying more than $22 million a year for TV rights? That's what ABC was paying from 1999-2004. It's my understanding that at the end of the last ESPN contract in 2008, ESPN was still paying more for the rights at $5 million a year than all other TV contracts around the world combined.
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    Shouldn't the question be IF they retire? Maybe they can live forever...
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    Does that mean their theme song is Queen's "Who Wants to Live Forever"? :D
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    don't forget ISU isn't just figure skating :shuffle:
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    Cinquanta has made speed skating his priority for years while using figure skating as a cash cow. A little focus on figure skating would set the balance back.
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    That is the first problem. If the ISU wants to be a union for the skaters, have a liason for both speed skaters and figure skaters seperately. So each is represented, they may be on ice and use skates but they are different sports.
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    Within Article 9, Paragraph 1 of the Provisory Version of the Summary of Proposals For The 54th ISU Ordinary Congress and supported by the Russian Skating Federation there is a proposal made by Cinquanta and Krick which is an effort to postpone the scheduled ISU elections one time to supposedly give the body additional time to consider plans to deal with the poor economic impact on the Union and the sport. This is a ruse to allow Cinquanta to retain his office (not because he loves figure skating) but in order to keep his seat on the IOC Council thru the 2014 Olympic Games in Sochi.

    With the Russian Skating Federation backing this maneuver, you can bet there is going to be some big time payback if it succeeds. I fully expect someone from the Russian Federation will be running to replace Speedy.

    IMHO it is long past due to force Cinquanta to retire and put a more modern thinking person in his place to begin to address a multitude of issues, long frozen under the ice of the sport.
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    This is a pretty good bet, Bruno. Peter Krick is already in a powerful background position in the ISU as Sports Director. At important competitions he is always there quietly in the background. His wife Cissy Krick is an International judge from Germany. He is very knowledgable about Figure Skating.
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    What's the point to have speed skating and figure skating combined under one union? They are totally different sports with different audiences, sponsors, rules etc. I hope figure skating will get it's own association one day.
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    i hope also,but that would be a miracle
  30. merrywidow

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    IMO it should be someone from one of the Asian federations. We've had Speedy for years (Europe) & Dore (North America).
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    Sh*t no! :scream::scream::scream:
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    As far as promoting figure skating is concerned I think it should be someone who understands the importance of electronic media and how to use it. Live streaming and sites such as YouTube reach a worldwide audience. I think the Wave of the future is improving the quality of broadcasts and making more events available.

    The problem with tv coverage is that it requires massive audiences to be profitable. Unfortunately, in order to appeal to the masses, you often have to water down the content which results in mediocrity.
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    Peter Krick, but I doubt that he wants to...
    Maybe they will selects someone from Japan like Mrs Hiramatsu
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    Gailhaguet and Le Gougne :D
    They know how to the worldÂ’s attention.
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    They have my vote! :hat1:

    Otherwise I vote for ESTA. She will make sure those couches are in line.
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    Definitely Esta should head up the technical. But
    Both are particularly politically astute. Especially Le Gougne for her ability to handle a crisis even while riding in an elevator.
  37. Aussie Willy

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    Actually I think her Fur Coat would probably make an excellent president.
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    I think Tjasa-Andree Prosenc may replace Cinquanta, after all she's his right hand. :blah:
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    Does her Fur Coat still alive ? :scream:
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    Speed skating and figure skating are totally different. only thing common is skates and they are not even the same kind of skates .. and ice. Ice and skates but they are so different. It's like Tennis and basketball or something. Both use balls? Both surfaces are called courts. So of course the Tennis and Basketball association.