Who should coach I&K?

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Cherub721, Nov 10, 2012.

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Who should coach I&K?

  1. Stay with Morozov

    6.0%
  2. Beg Zhulin to take them back even though he said he never would

    16.9%
  3. Shpilband

    39.8%
  4. Zoueva

    6.0%
  5. Krylova

    26.5%
  6. Kustarova

    3.6%
  7. Svinin & Zhuk

    12.0%
  8. Platov

    16.9%
  9. Gorshkov

    3.6%
  10. Linichuk

    18.1%
  11. Nechaeva & Chesnichenko

    2.4%
  12. Other (please specify)

    1.2%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Their programs this season have been met with near-universal hate, but silver in a GP is a best ever result. So should they stick with Morozov, or would you like to see them with someone else?
     
  2. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    watching their FD , I had to mute as it was too offensive and embarassing to me with the voice overs
    Morozov is a hit/miss mostly cheesy, I/K are really talented I want them to go to Igors
     
  3. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    Lol the poll is like should they move to Michigan or stay in Russia. Be where the cool people are. Michigan.
     
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  4. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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    I'd like to see them with Svinin & Zhuk. They seem to want innovative programs...that's where they are likely to get some IMO.
     
  5. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    If they're looking for someone closer to home, I agree Svinin & Zhuk are a great choice for them imo
    Zhuk has done many interesting programs even for single skaters
     
  6. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    Linichuk! They need someone who's strict with a firm hand.
     
  7. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    I'd say anyone but Morozov.
    Really, this team is talented but their programs are just bad bad taste (and old school), IMO.
     
  8. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    I feel like they would do well with Krylova if they listened to her and worked hard (big, big if), but I don't know if she'd take them. She has too many students already.
    Svinin and Zhuk would be a good option since they have Stepanova and Bukin for a good rivalry.
    Linichuk would be my pick to whip their asses into shape. She wouldn't let them slack off. And she has shown herself capable of producing good choreography in CoP (see Denkova and Staviski)
     
  9. victoriaheidi

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    Igor? Novi might be a good place for them. Post Shpilband/Zoueva, I actually think I liked Igor better all along but THOUGHT I preferred Marina's style. Igor would probably take on their work ethic and hone their natural talent. I don't think he'd let them slack. He'd also have the occasional visit from Cappellini/Lanotte to provide I/K with a kick in the pants. :)

    Of course, as long as they leave Morozov, I really don't care where they go (unless they try to coach themselves or something nuts).
     
  10. Twilight1

    Twilight1 Well-Known Member

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    Add me to the list of anyone but Morozov. They are my favourite Russian team but their programs this year are glittered shyte.
     
  11. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I wish they had some glitter in their FD costumes! They are so BLAH.

    I can't really decide because while choreography is an issue, I still think they need some work on the basics. To that end I am thinking Linichuk or Platov, but both have had questionable taste in recent years. Krylova is probably a good mix of technique and code-whoring and choreo, but I've yet to love any FDs coming out of her camp (they are better than Morozov's though of course). Shpilband is a let down so far and I also saw him as more of a technical coach in terms of level/GOE but not stuff like posture and edgework (think B&A).
     
  12. sequins

    sequins Active Member

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    Yes anyone but Morozov. What has he done to them? He choreographed this thing didn't he? The 'music' is horrible and she looks like she's wearing a sack. I know Demi Moore look, whatever this thing needs to be trashed ASAP. It's awful. As I said in another post when I watch it I don't know whether to :lol:or:(or:scream: Zhulin's probably doing a little bit of both I imagine.

    I agree Cherub721 they do need to work on their basics as well. Stop acting like you're gunning for gold and do the work. I suppose Morozov put that line of thinking in their heads as well.:rolleyes:
     
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  13. Twilight1

    Twilight1 Well-Known Member

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    Ya I was going by her short dance outfit... over the top glittery

    The free dance outfits are just awful. If you are doing the play do the play...don't take from the movie too.
     
  14. sequins

    sequins Active Member

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    Good grief I hadn't even seen their SD yet so I went and watch it.....I have nothing nice to say so I just won't and the outfits? Ya you could say 'over the top glittery' for sure:yikes:
     
  15. Twilight1

    Twilight1 Well-Known Member

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    But your name suggests you like sequins ;)
     
  16. Carmen Ovsiannikov

    Carmen Ovsiannikov Well-Known Member

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    In the interest of being fair, Morosov isn't the only coach who has ups and downs when it comes to choreography. However, with the Olympics next season and I&K looking to set themselves up for the four years after Sochi, I'm not sure they should wait around for Morosov's choreography to trend back towards the better material he has come up with.

    I voted for Linichuk because of the comments regarding I&K's work ethic or lack thereof. Linichuk is the one coach who most definitely would not coddle Elena and Nikita and she would make them work their butts off. I also disagree that all of Linichuk's programs are horrible and her style would certainly suit I&K.
     
  17. sequins

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    :) I wish those were just sequins they're like giant ass jewels, she's bejewelled!
     
  18. Twilight1

    Twilight1 Well-Known Member

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    The only skaters I really think Linichuk did any justice to were Krylova and Ovsiannikov. Other than a couple programs here and there with G&P, B&A and D&S, I think the sport has passed her by with code of points.

    Elena is using the power of the Tatjana Navka headband.
     
  19. arakwafan2006

    arakwafan2006 Active Member

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    Igor has a FIRM hand and expects that his skaters work their butts off from what I have seen. He's intense but very present and encouraging. I saw the way that Ekaterina and Ilia react to him and I think that if a team respects him and wants to grow he's amazing.

    It seems like Russian female coaches are more on board with the skaters who have antics. I reference Yagudin/Tarasova and Galina/Johnny. It may be a good deal for them to go to Linichuk however I believe that a different choreographer might be best.
     
  20. arakwafan2006

    arakwafan2006 Active Member

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    Am I the only one who thinks that Morozov has not choreographed anything good dance team wise since Bourne and Kratz? It's almost like he has a hard time weaving the skating skills and highlights together. The work does not look fresh at all!!!

    Camerlengo/Krylova have a deep team of people who work with the dance teams. There is N. Dellar, E. Punsalon, M. Scali as well as Camerlengo and Krylova. I bring this up because each coach has a specialty and really work within that framework. However, the dance teams are expected to train on their own and work the technique taught to them by doing repetitions. I dont think that this would be a good place for a team that is not motivated to bust their butts open training. However, if you enjoy the training process then you will flourish here. Skaters who put a lot into the work get a lot out of it. All of the professionals are very professional and work incredibly well with all the skaters. The dance teams are so respectful and encouraging of each other until I completely see why the turnover is not high. It's like every coach on the team exploits their strengths.
     
  21. Carmen Ovsiannikov

    Carmen Ovsiannikov Well-Known Member

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    arakwafan, I guess it's subjective as always. I think even after B&K retired he still did some great work as far as choreography goes. IIRC the problem many began to have with Morosov was that he was working with so many different skaters that their choreography began to look quite similar.

    I do think one of Morosov's best seasons was 02/03 when he worked along side TAT. Not only were the programs from their dancers excellent but that season was one of my favorite years for Sasha Cohen programs. I loved her Rachmaninoff LP as well as the programs for Yagudin (the race car SP).

    However, I do think that the SP's he created for Grushina/Goncharov beginning with the 02/03 Waltz were fantastic. All four of them. Of course now I can't remember if G&G were with Morosov for that entire quadrennial or if they changed coaches.

    I guess I'm still not quite willing to write off Linichuk. She hasn't really worked with any top level skaters since the 09/10 season. And even then she must have had some sort of political pull left since she managed to get DomShabs a European title and an Olympic bronze. I'm inclined to think that we don't really know where she stands in the skating community.
     
  22. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    Linichuk For a half way out the door f/s did their 2010/2011 programs. They won world bronze in 2010 and if had not been so mistake plagued that last season had the potential to be p/b. But then everyone just fled from Her so fast!!
     
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  23. DORISPULASKI

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    Just saying, but how do you know it wasn't the Russian fed who did the politcking for DomShabs rather than Linichuk?
     
  24. skateboy

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    (Arakwa, I've been trying to PM you for days. You need to clear your inbox, no messages can get through to you!)
     
  25. Twilight1

    Twilight1 Well-Known Member

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    Linichuk also put together Domnina & Shabalin awful and horrific original dance that year.
     
  26. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    Platov would be cool - and he could send them to Dean for choreography
    And Krylova is good at getting levels (her top 2 outleveled Igor and Marina's top 2 worlds) but she has so many students right now (i know she has a big team, but still, she only has one rink, right?)

    Anyway, about Linichuk having questionable taste, I feel like a lot of what she did for Domnina and Shabalin was to mask Shabalin's knee issues. She did great work for Denkova and Staviski.
     
  27. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    Zhulin is probably doing a little of :confused::eek: followed by a little of :rolleyes: followed by some :rofl::rofl::rofl::lol::lol::lol: and then going to Russian fed like this :p
     
  28. Macassar88

    Macassar88 Well-Known Member

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    I can imagine the first day of their practice with Linichuk -

    5 minutes in -
    I/K: We're tired. We need a break.
    Linichuk: No break - do it again
    I/K: We don't want to
    L: Shut up and practice or no dinner tonight. And give me your phones - you can have them back when you win a medal at worlds.
    I/K: We don't have to deal with this. You're fired.
    L: No I'm not. Get back on the ice.
     
  29. zotza

    zotza allergic to brainless skaters

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    They need to be taken from Morosov tomorrow morning!At the latest...
    But I can't see anyone to take them.They cut bridges with Zhulin,Zueva is out of the question,Krylova has their direct competitors...So maybe they're just stuck there.And what is worse is that they've improved,their speed was good,they fixed some issues..But there are no programs...
     
  30. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    Love it! That's pretty much exactly how I imagined it. ;)