Who is the male version of Miki Ando?

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Who is the male version of Miki Ando?

  1. Evgeni Plushenko

    10 vote(s)
    9.8%
  2. Evan Lysacek

    4 vote(s)
    3.9%
  3. Brian Joubert

    33 vote(s)
    32.4%
  4. Nobunari Oda

    13 vote(s)
    12.7%
  5. Kevin Van Der Perren

    27 vote(s)
    26.5%
  6. Kevin Reynolds

    5 vote(s)
    4.9%
  7. Michal Brezina

    4 vote(s)
    3.9%
  8. Other - please identify in post

    6 vote(s)
    5.9%
  1. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    There's been a lot of talk about Miki Ando lately and her wins, no connection to the music, jumping lessons, lack of real programs, etc. So I'm curious to see who people think is her male counterpart. I'm gonna say Joubert, but Oda and KVDP get honorable mentions.
  2. Jenna

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    KVDP. An exceptionally gifted jumper, but not much else. He is much worse than Ando.
  3. pinky166

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    Yeah I was originally thinking KVDP, but Miki actually manages to win a lot of medals despite her lack of everything else, and Kevin doesn't, which is why I said Joubert. He doesn't have much to offer besides his jumps but he has still managed to earn a lot of medals that way.
  4. AliasJohnDoe

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    Preaubert should be on the list.
  5. doubleflutz

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    None of the options were correct, but I voted KVDP as the closest approximation. Clearly Miki is Jan Hoffmann, though: wonderful jumper, terrible skater, fabulous human being.
  6. RumbleFish

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    I usually refer to Brandon Mroz as the male version of Miki Ando when I talk to casual fans who only watch figure skating during the Olympics. They laugh at first but after watching his programs, soon understand why such prestigious title is appropriate for him.
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    I have to say my first thought, even before I saw the choices, was KVDP, though, of course, the comparison is not perfect. But they are both big jumpers, who land heavily on the ice. Miki completes hers more regularly.
  8. siberia82

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    The very first skater I thought of when I read the title of this poll is Mroz. Whenever his performance is shown on the CBC, I have a really hard time staying awake. :yawn:

    I'm not a fan of Joubert by any means, but I admit that he's very entertaining when he skates to techno music, so over-all, I'd say that he doesn't deserve to be equated with Ando's level of blandness. But that's just my opinion, of course.
  9. pinky166

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    Mroz hasn't had the success that Ando has though, although he is young and potentially could in the future. Also, his jumps are small, just consistent, so he's more like Rachael Flatt IMO. The comparison with Preaubert is interesting but again, what man has won a world medals (including a title), GP medals, GPF medals, and national medals through jumping and not much else. I still say Joubert. Oda can be pretty boring too at times.
  10. orbitz

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    I think this thread is more about a skater who goes from one jump to the next with little to zero ability to relate to the music and not so much about how many titles one has won. In this sense I can see Mroz as being the equivalent of a Miki Ando.
  11. pinky166

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    Well, in that respect, Mroz makes sense. When I created the thread I was thinking more, what male skater goes from one jump to the next without trying to relate the music and still has racked up a lot of impressive medals. I guess it just goes to show how weak the ladies event generally is in the jumping department.
  12. igniculus

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    You're kidding, right? Of all, Preaubert? Did you watch any of his programs recently or even pre-2008? He may seriously lack basic skills compared to others, but "no connection to the music" or "lack of real programs"? Boy, I do want what you're smoking.
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    Timothy Goebel and non other!!
  14. Extranjera

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    I don't think Joubert is the male version of Ando. When Joubert won his world title in 2007 no one could catch up with his jumps. Miki's jumps are OK, but compared to other female skaters she's not a superb jumper.
  15. pinky166

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    In 2007 when she won worlds, she was, are you kidding? She may not be anymore now that she's almost scary thin but in 2006-2007 she was a jumping machine.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grYoQfnCHHc
    70+ for TES, enough said.
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    Other. She reminds me of Johnny Weir in the last couple of years. Empty Choreography, lackluster skating, and solid jumps.

    And Johnny used to be interesting in the good old days... :drama:
  17. Extranjera

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    In 2007 she was a great jumper, but she wasn't better than Yuna & Mao meanwhile Brian's jumps were the best among all men.

    Hmm... 2007 WC wasn't a good example because his FS wasn't even first, but he proved with his FS from CoC that he's the best jumper.
  18. pinky166

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    True. But in 2007 we had some of the strongest ladies jumpers ever competing at Worlds, Yuna, Mao and Miki are all exceptional in the jumping department - or were in 2007.
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    I thought Johnny's programs last season were interesting and beautiful.
  20. Extranjera

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    you're right pinky, you're right ;)
  21. MikiAndoFan#1

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    :blah: You always have to bring Miki's weight up. Why don't you talk about Christina Gao's weight instead? :rolleyes: She's the one who needs to eat.
  22. pinky166

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    Some people are naturally thin, and some are not. Mao and Yuna (and Christina Gao) are really thin but have always been really thin. Miki used to be much sturdier with a womanly build, and now she's a stick. She wasn't fat before, that was just the way she was built, but now just looking at her face with those sunken in cheeks you can tell that she isn't meant to be so thin. She was also a better jumper before she lost weight. She looks so gaunt now.

    Christina Gao is also 16 and just went through a huge growth spurt (9 cm according to her ISU bio), so it's expected she'd be a little gangly.
  23. MikiAndoFan#1

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    Miki's cheeks have always been like that. Sure, Miki has lost some weight in the last few years, but I think it's normal, especially for an athlete. Miki is not "almost scary thin", in my opinion.

    As for Christina, well, I think she could use some extra pounds, especially for someone who is still developing.
  24. pinky166

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    Hmm well back on topic, I thought of another comparable male skater, Ryan Bradley. Except Miki isn't as funny.
  25. kia_4EverOnIce

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    I voted Joubert, though he has also better footwork sequences IMO.

    As for the weight, I don't think she has lost so much in the last years, I think she has also grown in height, and I don't see her so "scary thin".
  26. NMURA

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    Ando in 2006-2007 was definitely one of the strongest jumper. Perhaps, Ito , Slutskaya and Asada of their peaks can match. She landed the 4S in worlds official practices (which the TC warranted good enough to be ratified). You can't compare with someone who even can't do a solo 3loop.
  27. ks777

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    you are way off. not even close.
  28. ks777

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    Miki's jumps are just ok? Who else is better jumper than Miki? Miki's one of the very few lady that does all 5 different triples. Her jumps are big and she has no weird technique on any jumps. She is also one of the few ladies who landed two sets of different 3/3s in a program.
  29. RumbleFish

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    Be more specific, please.
    I don't remeber watching any lady do a two diffferent sets of triple-triples in a program, not since inception of IJS at least.
  30. ks777

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    She's done a 3lutz/3loop and 3toe/3toe back in 2004..
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2010
  31. RumbleFish

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    Thanks for a quick reply.
    Do you have a video link of this? I'd be interested in finding out if her jumps were rotated enough for today’s standards.
    I'd also appreciate it if you let me know which event this took place.
  32. judgejudy27

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    In terms of current ability, Yu Na Kim for sure. Possibly even Rochette. And last year Asada. Miki doesnt even do 3-3 combos anymore, atleast ones that are ratified.
  33. wonderlen

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    Watch the 2004 world long program. She did 3Lz+3Lo and 3T+3Lo or (3T+3T) cant remember.
  34. MikiAndoFan#1

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    It was a 3T+3T. :)
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    Well, Mao didn't even do a lutz nor salcow last season. At least Miki has done 5 different triples. Plus Miki's techiniques are much better than Mao.
  36. blue_idealist

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    Chengjiang Li maybe..

    I voted Joubert though.
  37. pinky166

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    Then you weren't paying close enough attention.

    Shizuka Arakawa and Kimmie Meissner both did 3-3s. Say what you want about theirs being underrotated but at the point and time they competed them, theirs were considered acceptable; with Meissner's under the IJS.
  39. Extranjera

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    I’m not challenging the fact Miki is (and was) a great jumper but I think there is a difference between her and Brian: Joubert was winning because he was the best jumper. Miki won her world title not only because she was ONE of the strongest jumper, but also (and mostly) because her rivals made serious mistakes.

    And yes- I think both: Kim and Asada were better jumpers than Ando. Asada could do more difficult jumps and usually her GOE was similar to Ando’s ( she was doing flutz instead of lutz but accoriding to current rules it wasn’t so important), Yuna wasn’t doing 3 loop , but she had two combinations with 3 toe and she was getting the highest GOE for jumps among all ladies.

    And I always have an impression they both have better landing positions than Miki: She always lands her jumps with a bit too low back and because of that they don’t look smooth to me.

    Moreover Miki is better artist than Brian (maybe not perfect but better) - that’s why I don’t think he’s her “male version”. She’s a specific skater and I know that not everyone likes her (I’m not numbered among fans of her style either) but still I’m far from saying she’s a “terrible skater” or things like that.

    And I don’t think she’s too thin- She looks ok to me.
  40. judgejudy27

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    4 different triples but ability to do 3 triple axels in one competition >> having the standard 5 womens triples but not doing any triple-triples (that get ratified)