Who Is the Greatest Ice Dancer Ever

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Gene, May 17, 2010.

  1. pumba

    pumba New Member

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    God knows I'm really not the biggest fan, but the person that comes to my mind first - is Tatiana Navka :navkos1:
     
  2. Doubletoe

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    There are many who I think are great, but I cannot help but be biased toward Oksana as well. She helped me choreograph my program a few years ago and I was just in awe at how she moved! :swoon:
     
  3. LuckyCharm

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    In interviews and such I just find him smarmy and annoying, so it irks me that I find his skating so divine. I think I'm pretty tolerant, and he might actually be the first person I've ever described as "smarmy." It's like when I saw him, I suddenly understood why the word "smarmy" exists. I wish I could hate him, but I can't because he's just so good.:)

    As for not remembering the old skool, I command you to YouTube to watch vids of the top 80s and 90s teams, back when ice dance was Ice Dance!:drama:
     
  4. gk_891

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    In terms of abilities (at least to my eyes), I'd rank them as following:

    Male Ice Dancers
    1. Christopher Dean
    2. Evgeny Platov
    3. Sergei Ponomarenko
    4. Maxim Staviyski
    5. Scott Moir
    6. Povilas Vanagas
    7. Gwendal Peizerat
    8. Olivier Schoenfelder
    9. Alexander Zhulin
    10. Ben Agosto

    Female Ice Dancers
    1. Marina Klimova
    2. Oksana Grishuk
    3. Jane Torvill
    4. Tessa Virtue
    5. Tatiana Navka (love her basics but hated most of her material w/ Zhulin)
    6. Albena Denkova
    7. Isabelle Delobel
    8. Marina Anissina
    9. not sure
    10. not sure

    I'm very torn in terms of how to rank the top 3 for both lists.

    ETA - I should make note that if I combine both lists together, it would look very different. For example, I consider the top 3 from male ice dancers to be above the top 3 female ice dancers. It's also difficult to name just 'one' skater since they skated as a team with their partner.
     
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  5. Twilight1

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    I would have loved to have seen what Grishuk and Dean could have done together on ice. What a combo... the wild thing is Platov and Torvill weren't shabby either and certainly weren't carried like some partnerships... *cough* Margaglio, Shabalin *cough*
     
  6. blue_idealist

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    I did watch some of stuff from the Duschesnays, Usova and Zhulin, Grishuk and Platov, etc. on youtube in the past, but I don't think seeing it on youtube really gives me the experience of watching the programs in the actual competition, when it was happening. It's interesting to watch programs from, say, 1998 though on youtube again, without being biased toward Bourne and Kraatz - I was only 11 years old then, in love with B&K, and they could do no wrong even if they did. lol.

    Btw, I actually think Scott Moir is funny but whatever.. agree to disagree!
     
  7. gk_891

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    I personally thought Platov was stronger in many respects than Grishuk. His phrasing of the music is much better than Oksana's in that he finishes his moves with better polish. He also has much better discipline when it comes to his back and shoulder posture, his edges, and the position of his free leg (he was perhaps the best in that regard). Grishuk had amazing energy and agility but in terms of ice dance basics, I liked Platov a bit better.
     
  8. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

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    :scream:

    I can't even imagine it. I don't think those two personalities would have even survived being together for a hour.
     
  9. vivika1982

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    One more for Maxim Staviski and DenSta team :)
     
  10. Karpenko

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    Tatiana Navka would easily be getting more votes had she had a better partner, there was a fluidity to her movement that really doesn't get enough notice IMO. She was so good, maybe not as good as Pasha (but she had better lines), but def in my top 3 of all-time.
     
  11. nuge

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    Oksana PASHA Grishuk :kickass::glamor::drama::respec:
     
  12. Gene

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    Up to #40

    Chris 6
    Oksana 4
    Olivier 3
    Maxim 2
    Maia 1
    Maurizio 1
    Marina 1
    Tatiana 1

    Remember, it has to be just one individual, not two lists--for male and female.

    judgejudy27, I apologize for the name calling in previous thread. There isn't any excuse for it and I apologize to you and before everyone, and hope that you will accept my apology.
     
  13. mia joy

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    Oh, please, give me a break with all the Virtue, Moir, Fusar-Poli, Margaglio, Navka and others like them. I mean, seriously?

    About Virtue and Moir - yes, excellent skills, yes, wonderful lines, flow, speed and whatnot but, gosh, they're just so... boring. No passion. No real expression besides the "oh my, I'm so innocent" look on their faces. There's nothing inside them that makes you feel like you're watching a movie, nothing that makes you feel you've reached to their souls, I don't even know how to explain that, they're just so predictable. They're ballroom dancers, without an ability to show you a story that would melt your heart. And Scott - totally Tessa's shadow for me. No personality of his own on ice at all.

    Fusar-Poli - uhm, I guess the best ice dancer should be a great athlete as well, who knows how to behave sometimes?

    Margaglio and Navka didn't have either the extraordinary skills V/M at least have, nor any inner fire or personality to make you fall for them. JMO

    You wanna know my definition for a perfect male ice dancer? The one who makes his partner look stunning - and does that so good that it makes him look stunning himself. And for that, my pick is Povilas Vanagas. Olivier comes close behind.
    And apart from that, of course, they have to have personalities out there. They have to make me feel butterflies by the way they look at their partners or hold them. And those two guys above were doing it, damn sure.
     
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  14. briancoogaert

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    I hope the votes for Margaglio were a joke. Porny : Yes. Good skater : NO !
     
  15. skatak

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    I remember commentators saying that Povilas Vanagas was probably the best ice dancer of the circuit (when he was eligible)
     
  16. SmallFairy

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    you beat me to it! SVTs commentators always referred to Povilas Vanagas as "the best ice dancer in the world"! and he was really, really good! who am I to disagree?;)
     
  17. gk_891

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    In that case, I'll go with Christopher Dean (and with honourable mentions going to Evgeny Platov and Sergei Ponomarenko).
     
  18. icedance21

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    I never cared for Navka either, other than her headband and divaness. :navkos1: :glamor: I'll vote for Angelika Krylova because no one else has so far, and I always thought she was amazing. Too bad she and Oleg were in the shadow of Grishuk/Platov for so long.
     
  19. Bue

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    Overall I'll go with Chris Dean too.

    On the ladies' side I would say Klimova - just because she is my all time favourite :)

    I think Scott Moir is the best dancer competing today. He is an extraordinary talent. mia joy, I think one of Scott's greatest qualities IS how he shows off Tessa. He is beautiful in his presentation of her.
     
  20. literaryfreak

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    :huh: What is this being used for?
     
  21. mia joy

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    I guess we just see it differently ;) As much as I know what a great talent he is, he's just not the quality of Vanagas or Schoenfelder for me. Not yet, at least. He's still very young and may gain some on-ice personality (or maturity, call it as you wish) with age and experience. I just wish people would stop worshipping both Tessa and Scott so much and wait until they truly fully develop and show us the best of themselves, which I'm sure we haven't seen yet. I just think ice dancers get quality with age. Look at how wonderfully Faiella/Scalli have developed. Look who the Kerrs have become with age. Look at Drobiazko/Vanagas, Delobel/Schoenfelder and all the other teams who had their best performances late in their careers. I know these are new times and couples now are different, learn faster, become technically great at a very young age, but you still need maturity in expression to win at least my heart.
     
  22. pani

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    I think you dont need to be 50th years for be a good dancer ;)
    IMHO - Oliver is greate skater, but dancer must to show more upper-body movement.
    I really love Vanagas and for me he is better ice dancer, then Olivier, because he was more emotional, more plastic and entertainer.
    But they both couldnt be compaerd with Dean ;)

    And watch there skating at Moir age ;)
     
  23. Ziggy

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    Ahhh totally forgot about Povilas Vanagas. Can't believe he's not getting more mentions.

    I still would place Dean above him because of the impact his made but Povilas deserves a mention.
     
  24. mia joy

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    meaning there's still hope for Scott ;) :p

    about Dean - you're all probably right, only consider I only follow FS since 2000 so don't really know Dean. I watched the Bolero once but TBH it didn't touch my soul too much :p actually I'm not really into watching the legends of FS I didn't get to see compete. Maybe I should, though.

    so you probably understand Povilas being my number 1 now ;) honestly he's the best male ice dancer I've ever been blessed to see compete ;)

    Ziggy - any thoughts Povilas may have not made impact because he was (well, is) Lithuanian? :p
     
  25. Ziggy

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    Drobiazko/Vanagas have always been ridiculously undermarked.

    The Tango FD was one of the most complex ID programs ever and to think they dumped it because they were being marked so low...

    I'm not even going to mention the Worlds medal debacle because it's just :mad:.
     
  26. Fallcolor

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    I'd like to say Grishuk but would have to vote for Platov for his versatility, excellent technical precision, and his way of being in control of the partnership (given how feisty Pasha was). Unlike Margaglio & Novitski, to me, he never let himself get overpowered by his partner. Grishuk is one of my favs but i can think of other lady dancers that are better in other aspects of their skating. So, my vote goes for Platov ;)
     
  27. Fallcolor

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    So you prefer skaters who are older because, they are more mature? What about I/K? Given their young ages, their skating to me at least, is plenty mature, especially him. They will probably reach their peak, technically, one day but for now i actually enjoy what they've shown this year.
    I agree however with V/M not being at the same maturity/veteran level as N/K, the 3 D/S's, D/V, A/P, but for me they are the most perfect NA dance team so far, :p so hopefully we will see how they grow in the next 4 yrs experimenting with different styles.
     
  28. Aussie Willy

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    I think with T&D you need to go back and watch Mack & Mabel and Barnum. Bolero, whilst a classic, for me is not their best program. I personally preferred Mack & Mabel. It was a masterpiece of musical interpretation and choreography. Not a beat of the music missed and everything made total sense with what they did. Plus it was perfectly skated - not a foot wrong.

    Also their 84 Paso Doble is a classic. An Original Set Pattern dance that doesn't look like an OSP. And it has some incredibly difficult stuff in it. I think as close to perfect as what a dance can be.
     
  29. mia joy

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    Well, based on the teams I know, yes, I prefer older skaters, because they somehow get more elegant with age. I'm sure I/K will change with age too, even if they're already mature and classy. And don't get me wrong, I like young couples, they're a breath of fresh air, they have thousands of new ideas and I love that, but there is really something about the more experienced ones that make me speechless during their dances, even if they make mistakes or those dances are technically weaker. can't really explain that, but I really think you need to reach a certain age (in ice dance) to reach your full artistical potential. Though that doesn't work for all the couples either.

    yes, that's what I'm talking about - insead of putting them already on a pedestal, just let them grow, enjoy seing them grow and make judgements when know you've seen their best already ;)

    Aussie Willy - thank you for your suggestions, I'm gonna give them one more chance then ;)
     
  30. Aussie Willy

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    Please do. I think you will be surprised. :)