Who is in charge here?? USFSA take charge!!

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  1. Capella

    Capella Guest

    Guess it depends on the costume design, but most of, say, Michelle Kwan's dresses would fall under The Right to Bare Arms.
  2. Debbie S

    Debbie S Well-Known Member

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    I would totally go for that.
  3. bek

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    Yeah and the whole post implies that Johnny and Evan are equal: And they are not. Evan is a world champion, Olympic champion, and Grand Prix Final Champion. Johnny is none of these things. Of course Evan is going to have more opportunities than Johnny.
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  4. skatingfan5

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    All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. ~George Orwell, Animal Farm
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  5. snoopysnake

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    Equal? Ain't that what Cher used to put in her coffee?
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  6. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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  7. judgejudy27

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    I think there is a big question of that to put it mildly. Evan is far and away the #1 U.S skater. It would be wrong to put anyone even alongside him. his record so far trumps any other American man both career wise and of late. Abbott is probably the #2 U.S skater coming out of this season. He did win the last 2 Nationals beating Evan both times (Johnny was 5th and 3rd), and while Johnny has sometimes placed above Jeremy in international events, Jeremy still has some international victories- Grand Prix final, Skate Canada this season (beating Takahashi) which Weir doesnt have for awhile. And despite his often dissapointing record at the big events, Jeremy was still 5th at Worlds this year, a higher finish than Weir has had at Worlds or Olympics since 2008.

    I am not a big fan of any of the 3 and probably even prefer Weir slightly to the other two, but I dont think this statement of yours is very much in touch with reality at the moment.
  8. BlueRidge

    BlueRidge AYS's snark-sponge

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    Speaking of Evan and his flexjet, I heard Carly Simon actually wrote the song You're so Vain about Evan!
  9. jlai

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    :rofl:

    That's why Jeremy with his pigs is "the best of the best" in Animal Farm. His can fly!

    And Johnny is all too human to belong there. :p
  10. 10J

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    Sorry if I missed this, but can someone please link to the articles where Evan and Johnny both name called?
  11. Reuven

    Reuven Official FSU Alte Kacher

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  12. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    Basically Evan said that Johnny wasn't good enough for SOI while Weir called Evan a "Slore" which is basically a "SlutWhore."
  13. Prancer

    Prancer Ray Chill Staff Member

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    Evan probably thinks that song is about him.

    Don't you, Evan? Don't you? Don't you?
  14. kimkom

    kimkom Two Pot Screamer

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    I think Johnny stole his scarf that was apricot. :p
  15. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

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    If Johnny wore it, it was a cravat, not a scarf. Please. :rolleyes:

    ;):lol:
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  16. kimkom

    kimkom Two Pot Screamer

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    :rofl: Good point!
  17. BlueRidge

    BlueRidge AYS's snark-sponge

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    Yeah well, you know what? Elton John is doing a remake of his old song and this time its going to be called "Johnny & the Jets." Take that Evan!

    Oh but they're weird and they're wonderful
    Oh Johnny he's really keen
    He's got electric boots a mohair suit
    You know I read it in a magazine
    Johnny and the jets
  18. Theatregirl1122

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    Brandon Mroz wore a cravat.
  19. Prancer

    Prancer Ray Chill Staff Member

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    No jet for Johnny, BR. He'll just have to wait for the Lord to buy him a Mercedes Benz.

    Evan didn't notice. He had one eye in the mirror as he watched himself gavotte (Point your toe, Evan! There's something funny going on with your feet).

    Johnny had some dreams, but they were just clouds in his coffee.
  20. mmscfdcsu

    mmscfdcsu Skating Pairs with Drew

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  21. Prancer

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    Thank you, Prancer Joplin, for nearly making me snort red wine out my nose.

    But if he gets the Benz, doesn't he get the color TV and the night on the town??? (Hell, Johnny IS a night on the town!!!!!!)
  23. jlai

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    God it looks like Evan, must be the clouds in my eyes
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  24. Cheylana

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    Actually, Johnny started the unsavory exchange with his comments on Chelsea Lately and his accusations about SOI.
  25. BlueRidge

    BlueRidge AYS's snark-sponge

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    Johnny's got clouds in his coffee and Evan's got clouds in his eyes, but me I've looked at clouds from both sides now, from up and down, and still somehow, its clouds illusions I recall. I really don't know clouds at all.
  26. Garden Kitty

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    You're not currently dressed like this, are you?
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  27. jlai

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    Errr, it actually is..

    Bow; and flows of angel hair and and ice dream castles in the air
    And feather, fox fur everywhere, i've looked at cloud that way

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/01/19/sports/19longman/articleLarge.jpg
  28. psycho

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    Weir beat Abbott in every international event they competed against each other this season ( NHK, GPF and the Olympics) so I would say he had a better season, no matter how much you want to twist the facts.

    And I can't believe you would compare Abbott's 5th at post-Olympic worlds to Weir's performance at the Olympics. :lol: That's bizzare...
  29. Kasey

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    They can see clearly now, the rain is gone ;)
  30. jlai

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    Time for Kasey and the sunshine!

    That's the way aha aha I like it, aha aha!
  31. TalentedButHumble

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    Sheesh, you all need to be bad Americans like moi, and just go to CSOI and worship CANUCK skaters. :cold::

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  32. pinky166

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    ITA. Johnny had two clean, beautiful performances at the Olympics where he was gorgeous and IMO heavily undermarked. Jeremy at Worlds had a clean but uninspired SP and an arguably solid though undeniably error-ridden FS for which he was marked generously. That's how I see it. It's like Alissa last year at Worlds, oh her FS was great! I mean, for her, I guess, sort of, but she still only landed 3 clean triples in it. Because Jeremy is a headcase his Words performance can be considered good, but he is capable of much better and even his clean SP showed that just being clean, he is not up to snuff with Takahashi and Chan, if he was clean and went all out like he did at nationals, then maybe he would have made the podium, but he wasn't so he didn't.
  33. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I don't disagree that Weir had a better season than Abbott this year in terms of final results. However, all season long, you can look at Abbott's scores and see that the judges were giving him high scoring potential before Vancouver where Abbott beat Weir during phases of the competition but not overall.

    The only exception is, of course, Nationals in which it was clear that Jeremy's Nationals performance would've easily beaten Weir's Olympic ones considering that Abbott with a fall and two lower-level spins could've been close to beating Weir's relatively clean LP performance in Vancouver if he didn't have his Flip downgraded:

    http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympi...and-results/men-free-skating_fsm010101eh.html

    Interesting to note that Abbott actually outscored Weir in PCS and if you compare comparable elements, you can see Abbott usually scored higher than Weir.

    As for Worlds, I absolutely believe that Abbott was undermarked for being a headcase at Vancouver and the past two Worlds.

    Anyway, my point is that Evan was clearly the no. 1 U.S. Mens skater. Weir and Abbott are behind and you can argue Weir is ahead and have evidence supporting it. I just don't agree that Weir is on the level of Evan so it isn't clear that Evan and Johnny are the top two U.S. skaters as I think objectively-speaking, Evan is sort of on his own level now. Not talking about skating skills, preferences, etc. but by in terms of legacy and accomplishments.
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  34. Cheylana

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    No, it showed that Jeremy was being punished for his poor showing at the Olympics. Even Johnny said as much in his Loft commentary.

    ETA: VIETgrlTerifa beat me to it; I agree with her analysis. Anyway, there is no question that USFSA viewed Jeremy as its #2 guy. I did think Johnny was a little bit undermarked at the Olympics, but I also thought Jeremy was a little bit undermarked at the following Worlds.
  35. psycho

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    I love how Weir's conspiracy theories are suddenly legitimate when they are in favor of one's favorite skater :lol:

    Not that I completely disagree with the claim, but it's amusing, that's all.
  36. VALuvsMKwan

    VALuvsMKwan Wandering Goy

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    But here's the most important question of all...

    What would Evan Lysacek do? ;)
  37. rfisher

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    He keeps on dancing.
    He's a dance, dance, dance, dance, dancing machine
    Watch him get down, watch him get down
    As he do, do, do his thing
    Right on the scene
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  38. itsartemis

    itsartemis DAISUKE!!!!!!!!!!

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    If I hadn't read a post very similar to this on Livejournal, I for sure would have thought the thread starter was being ironic all the way through. I rarely venture into the Trash can, but love finding stuff like this. :rofl:
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    I can't say what's legal or illegal, but if Johnny is the ONLY Olympic skater not invited to SOI, that's just plain wrong.
  40. museksk8r

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    That's because Abbott attempts significantly more difficult programs than Weir does. Jeremy loads his programs with difficult transitions and choreography and he attempts the quad jump, so of course his PCS are deservedly going to be higher than Johnny's. Jeremy actually had the highest base value of any man in the World Championship LP this year. He attempted the quad, put both of his 3Axels in combination and did a 3-jump combo of 3Lutz+3toe+2loop, and wisely put one of the 3Axel combinations and the 3-jump combo in the post-2 minute bonus of the program. Abbott and Weir can never be fairly compared for this reason. If Weir was attempting the high difficulty level of Abbott, his consistency would be wildly erratic too (even more so than it already is), and the same can be said for Lysacek too, as we saw evidence of at Nationals when he bombed on the quad and went on to make other mistakes as well, losing the National title for a second consecutive year when he unsuccessfully attempted the quad.
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