Which skaters can beat a clean Yu Na Kim if they also skate cleanly

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Which of these people can beat a clean Kim next year with a clean skate

  1. Sotnikova

    4.6%
  2. Tuktamysheva

    2.1%
  3. Gold

    5.4%
  4. Wagner

    2.5%
  5. Kostner

    38.8%
  6. Asada

    32.1%
  7. Murakami

    2.1%
  8. Czisny

    3.8%
  9. Osmond

    1.3%
  10. Suzuki

    3.8%
  11. Ando (if she returns)

    4.6%
  12. nobody can beat a clean Kim

    45.8%
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  1. BigB08822

    BigB08822 Well-Known Member

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    I should have been a little more specific in my post when I said no one can touch Yu Na's 3lutz/3toe. I put it in present tense but I was focusing on the 2010 Olympic competition. In THAT competition, no one was even coming close...not even the slightest bit. Now there are a few who can compete with her on that combination, I agree. Also, yes, there are other aspects to GOE but who cares, Yu Na does the combination better than anyone whether or not she does the jump with her hand above her head, her eyes closed, or upside down.
  2. sk8ingcoach

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    No one will be a clean Yuna. Carolina although can receive great GOE and PCS scores, her base value for TES will never be high enough to beat Yuna. Mao has the potential to receive high TES base value, however she will not receive the same GOE as Yuna and Kostner to pull up her TES.
  3. torren

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    Carolina can receive great PCS and GOE, but base value is low.
    Mao has high base value, but she can't receive high GOE like kim.

    Anyway, I can't sure kim can clean program again in next olympics.. honestly, It's not so often she had perfect two clean programs?
    Mao has taken back her consistency. If kim makes mistakes a little more than mao.. Mao would win..
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  4. ehdtkqorl123

    ehdtkqorl123 New Member

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    Really? :rolleyes:
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    gingercrush New Member

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    She is in much better competitive shape but still is very prone to underrotations. but she is certainly much better than she was in 2010-2011 or 2011-2012.
  6. TheIronLady

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    And at the '99 Worlds... Nobody is invincible, but it is true that IJS can make someone like Yuna or Patrick Chan much harder to beat.
  7. riveredge

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    Well, Yuna never won when she had more than 4 falls.
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  8. karlon

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    Patrick Chan can win fall four times, And huge PCS often saved him.
    kim is not.

    1. When she has more mistakes than Mao,she couldn't beat Mao.
    But, Mao always almost made more mistakes than Yuna.
    2. when Yuna win major titles, she had almost perfect programs.
    2009 world - the only mistake was last 3s in FS/2010 olympics - two clean programs/2013 worlds - two clean programs.
    3. Yuna has never won by Pcs. her rank has never gone up by PCS.
    4. If yuna is under 6.0 system. In any system. She could win her olympics, worlds. Do you have objections to this claim?

    the way to mao beat Yuna is just Mao increase her consistency, and has cleaner program than Yuna.
    It only depends on her ability. Don't make an excuse.
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  9. miki88

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    Michelle Kwan. She should win all hypothetical competitions. ;)

    Kostner possibly has the best chance if she upgrades her difficulty but I feel the possibility of her going clean at the Olympics (the stage where she had horrible meltdowns in the past) is less than Mao going fairly clean with her layout.
  10. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    well Kwan did not skate cleanly there, and bombed the SP. Although the way Maria skated there (the competition of her life along with Russian Nationals 99) she might have suffered another shock loss ala Nagano even if she had.

    Kim can not be compared to Chan. Even if she might be a bit of a judges favorite she would never get away with making the number of mistakes he makes and still win. In fact the interesting thing as I mentioned is all her major titles were slam dunk blowouts that cant even be questioned, while the times it was close (2008 Worlds, 2011 Worlds) she always ended up the loser; which kind of goes against the general feeling that she is the judges favorite.
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  11. karlon

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    First, she has not been pushed out of the WC podium, It was interesting that she has only two titles.
    I felt this way.
    When She has superior skating which others can even not touch, it was clear-outed her winning, judges used to give generous score. But when She was similar with other skaters, or makes mistakes a little more than others, when the result is not sure;Yuna and others were so close, judges tend to be a bit harsh to her than other top skaters. I aslo wonder why..
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  12. Lainerb

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    If this is all hypothetical anyway then I believe a clean Ando with 2 triple/triple combos 2axel/3toe/2loop and a landed 4sal attempt that got partial credit all in the last half of the program would stand a chance beating Kim technically but then it would come down to PCS
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    In 2011 World Championships, both have several mistakes,
    In sp, Yuna's PCS was 1 point higher than Ando, In fs, Yuna's PCS was 2 point higher than ando.

    when both make a mistake, the gap is not big.
    However, if yuna and ando, both have two clean program, I think that the PCS gap between yuna and ando would big...
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    What month are we in now? Almost May? Yup, it’s about time they crawl out after peeping through. Cowards.

    One thing I agree though, Ando would be more competitive than Asada. She has way better jumps and flows in her skating, even though she’s not widely praised as a performer. She has far better of a chance to beat Kim, IMO. And she was all out with Arakawa for a psychological attack on Asada just after Vancouver, like the way Suzuki did a while later, with even more strikingly similar outfits shared between them.

    Poor Asada..
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  16. torren

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    Miki can beat YuNa, of course.
    her PCS was only 3 behind from Yuna at 2011 worlds. Miki is in the same class with Carolina kostner. If both have clean, clean kim will get huge PCS. If both have mistakes, PCS gap will be 2-3, Miki can beat her as well as Mao, Carolina.

    I admit clean kim is difficult to beat. but IF kim has same levels mistakes with others, Mao, Carolina, Ando can beat her both TES and PCS.
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  17. munow

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    Ando has some of the worst basic skating skills in top ladies I've seen and won't be receiving the high PCS she was dubiously at that year's 4CCs and Worlds, more than six points higher than she did at the GPF in the same season. It was a total joke.
  18. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    While anyone on the list other than Asada and Kim is a trolling option, I still LOL the most at all the Czisny votes. Even moreso if a few of those happen to be serious and not just excited fanboys.
  19. torren

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    In my opinion about 2008 worlds, while I watching kim's program, I felt only "she looks so tired"(I know she had injuried and she had end up FS hard. )
    The score was fair to both Mao and Yuna. And it was rightful that Mao's PCS was higher than kim.
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  20. TheIronLady

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    I think Czisny almost got my vote. Hahahaha. I thought about it, but then I remembered she can't usually land a double axel.
  21. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I think all things considered, in an all cleanly skated U.S Nationals right now a clean Czisny would probably place about 5th. At her absolute peak of USFSA support, momentum, skating prowess, confidence, she placed 5th at one of the all time weakest Worlds, skating closer to clean than any of the 3 medalists did.
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    You think Kostner is a trolling option?
  23. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry I meant anyone other than Asada and Kostner.
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    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    I picked Asada and Kostner, but in all honesty, I believe that a clean Yu na Kim is unbeatable.
  25. sk8ingcoach

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    ^^^ Thankyou for saying what most sane people are thinking (except kostner is not trolling )
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    I don't think Mao has any chance whatsoever. When was the last time Mao skated clean?? I don't remember. There is no way she will skate clean.
  27. TheIronLady

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    If God forbid there is war on the Korean peninsula in the next 10 months, will Kim still be able to maintain her composure and skate clean?
  28. caseyedwards

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    Lol! South Korea is at war with north Korea and they send a team to Sochi? because of south koreas military alliance with the us that wouldn't be over quick? north Korea wouldn't even exist anymore!
  29. jona

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    Sheesh ...what kind of tasteless question (hypothetical it may be) is that. You have to ask? You think if your country, whatever it may be, is at war, you or your skater will be worrying about competing at a "skating event"? I know this is a skating forum and all but your question takes the cake in offensiveness. You know people from Korea read this forum too, right?
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  30. karlon

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    What did you say?
    It is your wish?

    It seems Mao's fans also know she has only possibility if only korean war happen,
    There's a opportunity to get a gold medal for mao, Isn't it? :angryfire
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  31. Sasha'sSpins

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    ^^^
    THIS!
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    Non-clean kim is not unbeatable.

    Mao had taken back her consistency.
    She just need to skate with fewer mistakes than kim.
  33. ehdtkqorl123

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    I think this thread will last until three of them retire after Sochi.
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  34. riveredge

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    NKor will eye Japan after Sokor. *sarcasm*. :rolleyes:
  35. TheIronLady

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    I meant it very tongue-in-cheek. This thread has gone on a while now, and I just wanted to mischievously point out that hypothetical arguments can get out of hand. I understand people like to predict. There is great discussion here, but this is almost a year away. Some proclamations have sounded too certain to my ears. There are factors that we may not be able to account for yet. I sincerely apologize to anyone who took offense. I would not have posted that again in hindsight. Conflict is not funny, and I apologize for not making my point in a tasteful way.
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  36. judgejudy27

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    Mao has taken back her consistency, LOL! So is her new standard only 4 (sometimes 3) clean triples per LP then, as that is all she did in nearly all her performances this year.
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  38. RunnersHigh

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    N/M.
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  39. chanunderrated

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    Dont know why anyone is voting for Sotnikova or Gold. Sotnikova isnt better than Kim in any aspect of skating at this point. Gold is a newbie with weak presentation. Of this list those are almost the last two who might beat a clean Kim.