Which of these 10 performances was the best?

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Which of these 10 performances was the best?

Poll closed Nov 28, 2013.
  1. Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir (Free Dance - 2010 Olympics)

    30 vote(s)
    15.6%
  2. Kim Yu-Na (Free Skate - 2010 Olympics)

    34 vote(s)
    17.7%
  3. Xue Shen & Hongbo Zhao (Free Skate - 2003 World Championships)

    32 vote(s)
    16.7%
  4. Michelle Kwan (Short Program - 1998 U.S. Nationals)

    20 vote(s)
    10.4%
  5. Alexei Yagudin (Short Program - 2002 Olympics)

    31 vote(s)
    16.1%
  6. Peggy Fleming (Free Skate - 1968 Olympics)

    2 vote(s)
    1.0%
  7. Jayne Torvill & Christopher Dean (Free Dance - 1984 Olympics)

    26 vote(s)
    13.5%
  8. Daisuke Takahashi (Free Skate - 2010 World Championships)

    7 vote(s)
    3.6%
  9. Mao Asada (Free Skate - 2008 World Championships)

    3 vote(s)
    1.6%
  10. Sasha Cohen (Short Program - 2006 Olympics)

    7 vote(s)
    3.6%
  1. Maofan7

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    What do you think of this list by Dustin Newcombe? It is a list of what he regards as the 10 best figure skating performances ever, and the criteria he has used is as follows:-

    The top 10 in order on the list is as follows:-

    1. Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir (Free Dance - 2010 Olympics)
    2. Kim Yu-Na (Free Skate - 2010 Olympics)
    3. Xue Shen & Hongbo Zhao (Free Skate - 2003 World Championships)
    4. Michelle Kwan (Short Program - 1998 U.S. Nationals)
    5. Alexei Yagudin (Short Program - 2002 Olympics)
    6. Peggy Fleming (Free Skate - 1968 Olympics)
    7. Jayne Torvill & Christopher Dean (Free Dance - 1984 Olympics)
    8. Daisuke Takahashi (Free Skate - 2010 World Championships)
    9. Mao Asada (Free Skate - 2008 World Championships)
    10. Sasha Cohen (Short Program - 2006 Olympics)

    Its not a list I personally agree with. But, which of these 10 performances would you say was the best of the 10? Do you agree with the list and the order in which it is ranked? What, if any, performances do you believe are missing from the list in terms of the greatest performances of all time? What would your top 10 greatest performances of all time be?
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  2. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

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    Not sure why you would include Peggy's free skate at the Olympics which wasn't her best at all. Her free skate at Nationals that year was much better. That was the one that should be included.
  3. Vash01

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    I don't think you can compare long & short programs. It's apples and oranges.
  4. Maofan7

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    Peggy Fleming - FS (1968 U.S. Nationals)
  5. Maofan7

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    Something tells me that Michelle is about to win another poll! I would place her at the top of my own top 10, but it would not be for the SP from 1998 U.S. Nationals. It would be for the free skate from 1998 U.S. Nationals! Hence, in this poll, I voted for Torvill & Dean
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  6. museksk8r

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    I also can't believe Asada's 2008 Worlds LP was selected where she face planted to the ice on her 3Axel takeoff edge and then took what seemed forever to pull herself back together. She skated it so much better at 4CC that season!

    My vote goes to Shen/Zhao! That performance was really something special and she was injured on top of it. I still cry from joy when I watch that performance. Amazing and iconic!
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  7. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    The writer picking Fleming from the 68 Olympics is a total joke when that was probably her worst performance ever. Mao has also had many performances better than her 2008 Worlds LP.
  8. Vash01

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    I don't know who Dustin Newcombe is but based on this list of top 10 performances I am not sure that he has watched much FS. How could he not rank G&G's 1989 worlds LP performance or their 1988 Olympics performance or Michelle Kwan's Lyra Angelica or Irina's 2005 worlds LP or Midori Ito's 1990 worlds LP performance in the top 10? The very fact that he puts SP and LP on the same list tells me that he does not know how different they are. If he wanted to include SP, B&S's 2002 Olympics SP is the best SP ever, and should have been on this list. I would still not compare it with any of the LPs.
  9. Vash01

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    Mao's SP skated to Chopin at the 2006 GP (was it at SC?) was so beautiful!
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    More like top ten most overrated performances ever.
  11. bardtoob

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    Kwan at 1998 Nationals because it is gorgeous and has the 3F.
  12. blue_idealist

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    A few of them I don't remember; a few of them I thought were pretty great. I picked V/M's though because I can still VIVIDLY remember it now, and some of the others are a bit foggy in my mind even though I know I thought they were great at the time (even other recent ones like Takahashi's Worlds 2010). I guess you could say V/M's program made the biggest impression on me.
  13. lala

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    I voted to Yuna.
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  14. gingercrush

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    There is only one among that lot and nothing even compares to it. Obviously Bolero. The only thing that comes close is Peggy Fleming. I can't believe the stupid Virtue & Moir fans (and I actually like Virtue & Moir) are voting for that Free Dance over Bolero.

    Oh and before people talk about how flawed Peggy's performance was. And? One has to remember the historical context and circumstances of why that performance was so good.
  15. girlscouse62

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    Some of us stupid V/M fans were not actually great fans of Bolero. I'm British, and I adore Chris and Jayne, but didn't care for Bolero that much. However had they nominated Mac and Mable or Barnum, I might have voted differently. So thanks for your "stupid" quote gingercrush!
  16. parapluies

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    Sorry but as much as I like Bolero, Tessa and Scott's performance of Mahler was the epitome of absolute perfection and I couldn't bring myself to vote for another.Nothing can top that performance. Sorry to break it to you, but Ice dance and figure skating has moved on and improved and its time to move along with it :)
  17. ciocio

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    I´ve voted for Yagudin because I´m a biased fan :p but V/M, Yuna, or T/D had great performances too. I would have voted for Yuna´s Olympic SP or 2009 Worlds LP too, they are one of my fav. ever.
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    :drama:
  19. ciocio

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    Then post the performances that were really the best in your opinion. :)
  20. gingercrush

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    No Ice Dancing has just entered the internet age where crazy stans exist.
  21. judgejudy27

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    Bolero was incredible, but V&M's performance was exquisite, pretty much perfect, and the technical demands of ice dancing are on a whole other planet today than they were in the 80s. I didnt vote for either of those, but if I were going to vote for an ice dancing performance I would have had a hard time picking between T&D's Bolero, V&M's Mahler Vancouver winning FD, Klimova & Ponomarenko's Bach 92 OG dance. All would be worthy choices. Even though they didnt win any of the big competitions with it I also found V&M's Carmen of 2013 a historic (and heavily underrated) FD.

    My vote ultimately went to Kim's 2010 Vancouver FS, but I would have picked Kim's 2010 Vancouver SP which I actually much preferred had it been there. Had Kwan's 98 Nationals LP, 2001 Worlds LP, or Ito's 89 NHK LP been included I might have picked them.

    I cant believe M&D's Dreams of Love from 91 or 92 Worlds were not included though.
  22. Golightly

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    Perhaps, in a few years, people will look back and see just how historic it really was. For me, the best FD under the new (now not so new) system and one of the best ever.

    Oops, forgot to add that I voted for Sasha's Dark Eyes :p
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  23. parapluies

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    You act as if 'crazy stans' didn't exist in the 80s/90s and that its a relatively new thing.
  24. Judge Dred

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    It's Yagudin for me too
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    Yagudin's SP in Salt Lake is the one that jumps out as most memorable for me out of those. Shen & Zhao at 2003 Worlds is up there too.
  26. sk8ingcoach

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    This is really hard. T/d would be a good pick because they were so innovative. But then v/m were amazing as well. Tuna Kim was flawless. Sasha also had a great performance.
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    Agree.
  28. museksk8r

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    :lol: Tuna Kim, how do you want that cooked?
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    The Japanese chefs served her up as a new Sushi menu item so she wouldn't beat their beloved Mao and Miki anymore.
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    This is a horrible top 10. Cohen, Asada of 2008 Worlds, Fleming of 68 Olympics, and Takahashi should be nowhere near a list of top 10 performances ever considering all disciplines. I doubt any of those would make top 10 ever performances even in just their own discipline.
  31. 4rkidz

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    For me is was Yagudin - his winter program I absolutely loved.. I remember watching it with family - we were on holiday in Florida and we all loved it and clapped.. There was something about the program that just pulled you in.. I enjoyed watching it again too - thanks for the links! Another favourite for me will always be Bolero as well - it seemed quite cutting edge at the time.. so unique..
  32. crankyintheAM

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    Torvill/Dean all the way!
  33. kuzytalent

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    How can you compare across different disciplines too. They all have different values. Maybe you can mix men and women to a degree, but pairs, dance, and singles are all so different in their values and what they are trying to achieve. They shouldn't be mixed. How can you compare Kim of Vancouver, to Shen & Zhao at their best, or to Torvill & Dean's Bolero, or Virtue & Moir's best. You cant.
  34. DreamSkates

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    Hard to compare since these are from different disciplines and different scoring systems. So I just picked Kwan's performance - am more familiar with it than others. Which also could affect voting.
  35. liv

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    Not my list of top 10s ever either, but I think Yagudin, Shen/Zhao and T/D were the best on "that" list.
  36. Suze

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    Thank you for posting the youtube vids alongside the performances.

    I actually watched each and every linked performance and took notes for each performance.

    Virtue/Moir - Love love love this performance. In the end, it came down to this perf vs. Kim's Olympic FP. It's such a sensual performance. The freeness and flow... the perfect side-by-side sequences are absolute perfection. I love the movements around 4:45 and the brief moment before they start their program. Also... Tessa is so beautiful. I spent as much time looking at her facial expressions as I did looking at their skating.

    Yuna Kim - I ultimately picked her over Virtue/Moir because there's just something about her that I truly admire but can't put into words what. She is just so GOOD for skating. The image of a figure skater is often laced with some soviet-style kitschyness and I've had to deal with much mockery from friends who don't think figure skating is "cool" but Yuna changes all that. She is sophisticated, for one, and so calm and serene. I especially love her body proportions. Her thin arms and legs are long and her torso-limbs-head ratio is like an ideal ballerina's. She's lucky to be born with such great genes but the artistry and dedication she has demonstrated is really something else. I wished that Orser and David Wilson could've picked something a little more dynamic and dramatic for her Olympic scene since I felt that her Danse Macabre and Tango de Roxanne programs were much better at demonstrating how expressive she can be but this was a beautifully graceful, perfectly executed program.

    Shen/Zhao - Shen's amazing landings on the throw jumps lead me to no surprise to hear of the great pain and injuries she had suffered prior to and during this performance. While I felt this performance was a little lacking in emotion, their perfect synchronization and amazing athleticism prove how deserving they were of their gold medal.

    Michelle Kwan - I love MK. Period. The End. There is no one else in skating that expresses the joy and love in their facial expressions quite like her. I love her spiral. I love her ending poses. However, this performance just doesn't stand up technically to Mao Asada or Yuna Kim's. That's not to take away from her, but with Michelle, her skating has always been about the artistry for me. I would've elected her Lyra Angelica perf over Rach.

    Alexei Yagudin - Possibly one of the most exciting footwork sequences ever performed (around 2:30). As irked as I was by the kitschy snow-throwing and that sweater, Yagudin's enthusiasm really shone through and engaged the audience in his performance.

    Peggy Fleming - I think this is another weird one to throw in this mix. I love her hair and outfit but technically, her program isn't really on par with anything we have in competitions nowadays. Still, she is beautiful to watch and she moves divinely across the ice. I noticed she stares down at the ice a lot which cuts into her connection with the music, but thanks for including this link! It was my first time watching it and I loved the small walley jumps and connecting movements.

    Torvill/Dean - Such a classic performance. I know this routine by heart. Their originality (in choreography) is just supreme! Even with the shoddiness in quality of the video, you can tell how brilliantly they executed this program. There is really nothing else like the opening sequence of this program. Though I actually hate the ending pose, I loved the movements around 4:50 (right before the end). They move so well together but I'm not sure how difficult their program was compared to Virtue/Moir (for example).

    Daisuke Takahashi - This performance had a lot of red-texted marks that popped up after every jump or element. It was a little distracting since I thought the quad flip was beautiful but the red-text underneath indicated that it was underrotated. Also the camera work was awful for one of the footwork sequences since it zoomed on the top half of his body rather his lower half. I love Takahashi as a skater. He is so good at getting into character that I wonder if he won't pursue an acting career when he is done with skating. I love the way he moves his hands and the excitement he's able to exude through his skating. It's too bad that he's still marred by inconsistency in landings.

    Mao Asada - I'm confused (again) why you included this particular performance. She has an awful face-plant of a fall right before her triple axel. Despite that breath-stopping fall, I am blown away at how easily she recovers and executes all the rest of her jumping passes with precision. I love watching Mao skate. She's like a young doe that you just happen to come across. She looks so fragile that you want to run out and protect her. I always root for her to do well and feel awful when she takes a fall or stumbles. I love the way she scoops her body after landing a jump. Not sure if you know what I mean, but if you watch her enough, she does this unique small dip before a quick crossover into her next move. Also, she's got a really uncanny degree of flexibility for one who jumps so well. Her final spin looks so easy and effortless!! It's such a shame about that opening fall.

    Sasha Cohen - I really hate this costume. As much as I hate her costume, I even more hate that dark red nail polish because it clashes with the turquoise blue and canary yellow of her dress. Why, Sasha? WHY? Other than that, her skating is pretty mesmerizing. This particular performance I didn't care that much for, to be honest. It felt a bit rushed in parts and frantic, but I love her ending pose and confidence throughout.
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  37. Robeye

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    Thank you, Suze. Your post displays the right mixture of the somewhat contrary elements that make up good commentary: rigor and sensitivity, enthusiasm and candor (which, probably not coincidentally, have their counterparts in great skating). I felt that I learned something :). I wish I felt that way more often in the course of reading posts...
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  38. hertmirsh

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    Fleming from the 68 Olympics? Is that seriously on the poll. That wouldnt make my top 500 performances of all time. It probably wouldnt make her own top 20.