Which men will medal at Euros?

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Which Men will Medal at Euros?

Poll closed Nov 30, 2010.
  1. Brian Joubert

    75 vote(s)
    83.3%
  2. Tomas Verner

    85 vote(s)
    94.4%
  3. Florent Amodio

    33 vote(s)
    36.7%
  4. Michal Brezina

    36 vote(s)
    40.0%
  5. Samuel Contesti

    9 vote(s)
    10.0%
  6. Alban Preaubert

    1 vote(s)
    1.1%
  7. Kevin Van Der Perren

    2 vote(s)
    2.2%
  8. Javier Fernandez

    5 vote(s)
    5.6%
  9. Arthur Gatchinski

    7 vote(s)
    7.8%
  10. Other

    5 vote(s)
    5.6%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    A lot of European men seem to be skating well this season. Which ones will medal at Euros?

    My picks (in whatever order):

    Tomas Verner
    Brian Joubert
    Michal Brezina (if recovered) or Florent Amodio

    Other contenders:

    Javier Fernandez
    Samuel Contesti
    Arthur Gatchinski
    Alban Preaubert
    Kevin Van Der Perren


    Am I forgetting anyone?
  2. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Verner, Joubert, and Brezina if Brezina skates. If Brezina doesnt skate then Amodio. Verner will win I predict.
  3. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Fernandez and Contesti could play spoiler. Contesti doesn't have a quad or the best PCS but he seems to be pretty consistent in the LP, if he can get his SP under control he will probably do well. Javier had a great FS at his last GP but seems to be suffering from his injury now.
  4. briancoogaert

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    Joubert, Verner, Brezina (if in shape). Then Contesti and Fernandez !
  5. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    What about Amodio?

    Imagine if Amodio and Verner skated their FS back to back :lol:
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    Michelle Kwan.
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  8. mia joy

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    Seriously, this could be the first time in history when we'll have two Czech guys on the podium.
    As many here, I predict Brian, Tomas and Michal. Verner seems to be gaining from moving overseas and he's having a really solid GP season. Brezina was very consistent last year, so he'll most likely win a medal if fit and ready to compete. Joubert has been there for the last nine years, so I guess whatever happens to him, he'll win bronze at least. I mean, I can't even imagine Euros podium without him anymore :p

    Amodio will likely give these three a fight. Perhaps also Fernandez, but you never know with him. Contesti and VDP would have to be very lucky (all the others would have to have major mistakes) to have a slight chance for medals.

    So yeah, all in all, make it a fight between two French and two Czech guys :)
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    Chan (yes he has so great SS he can do this too!:encore:)
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    :rofl: Yes, if anyone is to be the next North American following Dick Button to win the European Championship, it will be Patrick Chan, and he can win all disciplines too, mens', ladies', pairs, and dance, as well as all discipline gold medals at Worlds and Olympics too. :p:encore::puppet:
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    The medalists should come from these eight, but there are some very inconsistent skaters on the list. I think there's a remote possibility that six of these could have meltdowns (or be injured). I could see a dark horse such as Peter Liebers (if he sticks to doing singles this season), Konstantin Menshov (if he makes his national team), and Chafik Besseghier (ditto) creeping in and snatching bronze.

    Menshov can do two 4T's and a 3A in his LP and scored 220.83 at the Cup of Nice this season.

    Liebers could probably score that high if he landed all his jumps and skated clean.

    Besseghier needs to bring his PCS and levels way up in order to give the top skaters a run for the money.

    2010 Cup of Nice Men's Results

    Menshov's LP at Nice


    Liebers' LP

    Besseghier's LP
  12. blue_idealist

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    I said Verner, Joubert and Brezina, if Brezina is well recovered. If not, Amodio has a good chance. He actually still has quite a good chance even if Brezina IS recovered.

    Dark horses: Contesti and Preaubert, probably if others bomb. Contesti skated really well in the FS at CoR and pulled himself up (5?) placements. Preaubert is pretty consistent.

    Fernandez is struggling lately, I don't think Gachinski is there yet (imo, his FS is bleh), and the judges don't seem to 'like' VDP under the CoP.
  13. professordeb

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    I'm with senorita and museksk8r on this one :lol:

    Actually, I'd like to see Verner for gold, Preaubert for silver, and Joubert for bronze.
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  14. pinky166

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    I don't see Preaubert beating Joubert but anything's possible. Also at this point I'd say Amodio is heavy edge to Preaubert, but that's just my opinion. I wonder if Verner could still win if he doesn't do the quad? I still think he'll bring it back this season but I can't help but wonder if he doesn't do it at the GPF and does well there if he might just start avoiding it. We shall see.
  15. Nomad

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    I think the singles comps are anyone's game this year, ladies' and men's. I will not be happy if Mini-Plush medals, though. I find his skating extremely boring, quads and all.
  16. deedeelocks

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    nah, Tomas loves the quad. I think for him this season isn't about winning or placements so much. It's about pulling good performances and show the audience what he can do. I'm sure he will want to show off that quad at some point. :cool:
  17. pinky166

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    I think so too. Some skaters on GS seem to think he's turning into the next Lysacek though....
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    Tomas, Brian and Michal if he is healthy. Otherwise Florent.
    So glad to see Tomas having such a great year!
  19. Marco

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    I would love to see Tomas, Michal, Florent, Javier and Brian round out the top 5. I would love to see a Tomas, Florent and Javier Euro podium.
  20. mia joy

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    Never!

    for starters, Tomas is never going to be as boring as Lysacek :p he's never going to look like a skating spider either. And I don't see him ditching the quad, no matter if he would be able to win without it or not. He's another Takahashi in this area. I remember reading somewhere a translated interview with him some years ago, where he said he loved the quad, because it felt like flying, not exactly jumping anymore.

    besides, in the post-FP interview at CoR he said the quad is coming ;)
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    Does anyone know when is Brezina's next competition?
  22. Zokko!

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    Patrick Chan in absence. He's universal. :D
  23. pinky166

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    Ok good, that's what I think too. He seems to love the quad too much to ditch it permanently....it would almost be like if Joubert ditched the quad, which IMO would never, ever happen.
  24. pinky166

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    I assume Czech nationals if he's recovered by then.
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    The only other spoiler I can think of that's not on the poll would have been Adrian Schultheiss, but he's not been performing well this season. Not sure who the 2nd Russian entrant will be alongside Gachinski. Will Switzerland even bother using all 3 of its entries?!?
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    I would so like to see Schultheiss do well at Euros. His short program is really interesting, but his spirit just seems lost in that very traditional long program. I miss his straight jacket program and the zeal he showed while skating it.

    I would really like to see Verner pull off the win at Euros.
  27. pinky166

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    Oh I totally forgot about him! Yes he definitely has a shot at medaling, especially if he can re-find the form he was in at the end of last season.
  28. deedeelocks

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    Well I certainly wouldn't mind Tomas to become an Olympic champion and world champion ;)
  29. ninadel

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    He landed a quad in the CoR gala finale just to remind everyone he's still got it. :p The comparison to Evan is ridiculous!

    Ha! Now I'm having these images of Frank Carroll making Denis Ten learn "spider skating"
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  30. wonderlen

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    LOL Canada and Europe are connected during geological time so he should be eligible to compete. Wait, that mean Jeremy, Dai, Oda and Kazuko will be eligible too. :D
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    Ahh yay that's exciting! Wee now he actually has a good shot at medaling at world this season!
  32. pinky166

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    Brezina scored 183.64 at GoldenSpin. So it would appear he's still getting his feet under him. Maybe he can step it up in time for Euros though. I still think he has a good shot at medaling there.

    But wait, does CZE only have 1 spot for the men at Euros? Last year Michal was 4th and Tomas 10th, so that's more than 13. If they really do have only 1 spot that is very unfortunate, they both deserve to compete there.
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  33. pinky166

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    Wait I'm so mathematically challenged. Czech Republic has 2 spots at Euros and Worlds, they just missed out on getting 3 spots for Euros. Wow, that was stupid.
  34. judgejudy27

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    Verner winning a quad? On the World scene he cant win squat without it. Chan had the equivalent of 7 falls and still nearly beat his back to back clean performances in Russia. Without a quad he cant beat Chan, any of the top 3 Japanese, or probably even Abbott, unless they make major mistakes, and in fact he cant beat them even with one if they are also trying a quad (as most of them most times do) unless they still make major mistakes.

    In Europe though yes he can win this year without a quad I think.

    As for any comparision with Evan, while I prefer Verner to Evan the reality is Verner isnt capable of racking up even close to the points quadless that a quadless Evan can.
  35. briancoogaert

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    Again the same complaints about Chan's scores ! :lol:
    But remember that to win, Tomas needs to stay on his blades ! And it's very rare ! ;)
  36. pinky166

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    I didn't say anything about Worlds, this is the Euros thread :). Of course at Worlds he needs a quad to have a shot, but at Euros the field is pretty depleted this season so he may not need it. That being said Tomas likes the quad and I think he intends to do it at Euros. The only way I see him not trying for the quad is if he has a big lead after the SP and then all the other medal favorites skating before him don't skate their best - but in that case he probably wouldn't take himself out of it should he go for the quad and fall.

    He still CAN do the quad he landed a nice one in the warmup before his FS, so the comparison to Evan is just no.

    If Verner ever wanted to be like Evan he'd have to start skating consistent programs for a few YEARS and maybe then his PCS would go up enough to be the next Evan. He'd probably also need to work on his spins and flexibility because that was one of Evan's strengths. But he isn't Evan so it doesn't matter, and once Joubert retires which I assume he will soon, Tomas can be top dog in Europe.
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    Also in regards to quadless Verner's scoring potential, if you look at his numbers from CoC, he lost a point on his 3a in the SP and 2 points for his edge call flip. So if he lands the 3a better and did a 3lo instead of the 3f, then he could gain about 3 points just by getting 0 GOE on those elements, so that would be 77. If he got + GOE on those elements, he could come close to cracking 80.

    In the FS, he lost 2 points on his 2a step out and 2 points on his edge call flip, so if he landed the 2a clean and the tech panel decided not to give him an edge call on the flip (they don't always), that would mean 160 points. So potentially a perfectly clean quadless Verner can score 240 points, which is pretty good but at Worlds would likely give him an outside shot for bronze at best.

    If he does the quad though his FS layout becomes much more competitive. It looks like the plan is:

    4t-3t or 4t (if he doesn't want to try it in combination)
    3a-2t
    3lo
    3a
    3lz
    3s or 3s-3t (if he falls on the quad or doesn't do it in combination)
    3f
    3lz-2t-2lo

    If he could skate the above layout clean, he'd be challenging for a World medal.
  38. deedeelocks

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    I spoke to him about stuff like this and he knows it. He's aware of the fact that if he wants to measure himself with the top skaters of the world he needs to increase his points with difficult jumps. PCS atm won't do this for him.

    and I think at Euros he will want to skate a clean performance WITH the quad. Regardless of what others do.
  39. pinky166

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    Oh I'm sure he knows it too, most skaters are more aware of these things and less cocky than you might think. And for Tomas I don't think he wants to be the next Lysacek, because he has always loved the quads, and even in recent interviews he talks about how he loves to skate and wants to be happy with how he has skated - winning does not seem to be his top priority, at least at the moment.

    He's still getting used to a new coach relationship and training environment and even so he's made amazing strides this season. I don't think I can remember a time before this season when Tomas didn't pop/double jumps toward the end of his program. That alone is a big accomplishment.

    I think he will show up at Euros hungry and put on a good show. I just have a feeling :)

    Also in Europe his PCS might be higher considering the men he's up against there.
  40. ninadel

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    Interesting note about Tomas' quad... on the NBC commentary they knew already that he was planning a 3T to open the long, so it must have been during practice or warm-up that he decided to take it out.

    In the old days I think Tomas would have gone for it anyway... but I think it's a good approach to only go for it if you feel reasonably secure from practice/training.