Which men have best chances at Silver and Bronze at Worlds this year

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by judgejudy27, Nov 26, 2011.

Which men have best chances at silver and bronze at Worlds this year

  1. Abbott

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  2. Takahashi

    81.5%
  3. Hanyu

    23.0%
  4. Oda

    1.5%
  5. Kozuka

    27.4%
  6. Gachinski

    5.2%
  7. Brezina

    21.5%
  8. Fernandez

    47.4%
  9. Joubert

    3.0%
  10. Verner

    0.7%
  11. Song

    5.9%
  12. Rippon

    2.2%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    This isnt an outright prediction thread since it is still early but with almost all the grand prix events done who do you get a feeling are the skater(s) who have the best chance at the silver and bronze at Worlds behind Patrick Chan this year.
     
  2. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I picked Abbott, Takahashi, Brezina, and Fernandez.
     
  3. topaz

    topaz Well-Known Member

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    You're assuming that Patrick Chan will take the Gold. With Daisuke's scores at the NHK, I'm not so sure anymore.
     
  4. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I think that is a pretty safe assumption (and if somehow this turns into a jinxing thread I wont mind in the least, in fact it would be an unexpected thrill).
     
  5. sliver98

    sliver98 Banned Member

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    takahashi has zero chance against Chan if he doesn`t land a quad and those nhk scores i`m sure chan will obliterate that later in the season.
     
  6. Ozzisk8tr

    Ozzisk8tr Well-Known Member

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    That really says lots about you. That you would get a thrill for someone being beaten as opposed to your favourite winning.
     
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  7. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    I didn't do BEST I did A. Oops. You know Abbott can get great PCS on his free skate. Imagine if he lands a quad and a second 3A! Lots of these people could Gachinski there way to a bronze- Like Nan Song.
     
  8. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    :lol:

    I chose Kozuka and Takahashi, but men is so hard to predict. I would've never selected Gachinsky at this time last year, even if I had known Worlds would be in Moscow.
     
  9. kittyjake5

    kittyjake5 Well-Known Member

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    We will just have to wait and see. I can't predict who will win gold at worlds since I don't have a crystal ball but what I do know is that it is very difficult to defend a world championship than to win one, just ask Takahashi.
     
  10. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I could actually see Takahashi winning the GP final over Chan since I sense Chan is still working his way into form, but not Worlds. I just dont think he is technically strong enough anymore nor does he have the undying love from the judges that Chan has. By Worlds Chan probably wont make more than 3 major mistakes which is more than enough for him to win unless Takahashi improves his spins, quads, and jump layouts, or Chan's scores match closer to reality (as if) at some point.

    I would love to see Abbott win silver or bronze at Worlds last year. It is funny how many on this forum labelled me an Abbott hater last season just since I predicted it might be a bad season for him. However it ended up being one. I just had that sense early on that the judges werent in his corner, that even when he skated fairly well he was having trouble reaching peak performance levels. This season I get the opposite sense. The judges are warming up to him again and he is able to hit his elements more strongly and perform with more conviction apart from the mistakes than he was last season.

    There are some others on this list I could see possibly medalling. I cant imagine any of Oda, Hanyu, Joubert, Verner (and not surprisingly Rippon or Song) medalling at Worlds this year though. I really think Oda is done as a top contender and could well find himself as the odd man out of the Japanese World team this year, and possibly in future years. It would be sad if someone of his talent never won a World medal but he has used up (and often wasted) pretty much all his opportunities already. With Takahashi coming back strong, Kozuka their top performer from last season, and Hanyu coming up, there really isnt any room for him anymore. Maybe he can hold off Hanyu for this season, but that is it.
     
  11. Proustable

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    Interesting that you think Takahashi can beat Chan at home. It'd be pretty cool, and give Takahashi a title he doesn't have, so I'm all for it.
     
  12. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I dont think the home factor means much. Some thought that last year when Chan won Skate Canada with 4 falls, but as it turns out there wasnt any home factor, that is how Chan is scored everywhere starting last summer. :lol: So yes if Chan has another competition loaded with mistakes and Takahashi has a competition like NHK I could see Takahashi winning the GP final for the first time. I couldnt see him beating Chan at Worlds though since there even if Chan makes alot of mistakes, he wouldnt be denied retaining his World title by the judges IMHO.
     
  13. fscric

    fscric Active Member

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    You are a joke.
     
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  14. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    I picked Abbott, Takahashi, Kozuka and Fernandez.

    Fernandez had a good GP, so he is on my list.

    Takahashi & Kozuka have already won world medals (Gold, for Takahashi), so they are contenders for at least a silver. Hopefully this is the year Abbott will find his grove and stand on the podium. If he skates his best, he could even have a chance to beat Chan if he makes many mistakes.

    IMO Song is a one trick pony right now, and Joubert and Oda have had their times. I don't see them getting better. Gachinski is still at least a year away from winning the silver (he did win the bronze last year, but it was mainly due to others not doing their jobs). I say the same about Brezina (at least a year away). Right now Hanyu is the potential, not someone that's ready.

    Rippon is still a year away, may be even 2 years away.

    I don't see Verner on the podium, unless most others self destruct (like Gachinski winning the bronze by default last year).
     
  15. NMURA

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    Agree that Takahashi can't confront Chan without the quad. Chan has skated basically clean SP in past four worlds and that would be enough for allowing a few mistakes in the FS. I'm kind of expecting Chan could become Kurt Browning II. Three world golds in a row and off the podium at Sochi.
     
  16. aftershocks

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    Or, the judges will obliterate no matter what Chan happens to do on the ice. :rolleyes:

    This is one of the more curious polls judgejudy has thought up, but I must say that I don't actually blame judgejudy re her anticipated "thrill."

    Any thinking Chan fan has got to admit, the judges do the sport and Chan no favors by consistently rewarding him when he makes glaring mistakes. No skater should get away with that number of faux pas and still garner ridiculously high scores so routinely -- I don't care how superior said skater's SS are. It is obviously unfair that the Chan treatment is not meted out equally. No one else gets away with such unclean performances on such a consistent basis.
     
  17. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

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    I'm not convinced that Chan can never lose. Even Michelle Kwan, Midori Ito, and Yu-Na Kim all lost gold medals from time to time after becoming World Champions to people such as Tara Lipinski, Sarah Hughes, Irina Slutskaya, Maria Butyrskaya, Shizuka Arakawa, Kristi Yamaguchi, Jill Trenary, Mao Asada, and Miki Ando, for example. No one is completely invincible. I don't believe Chan should be held to such esteem as he is by the judges on the PCS mark; yes, on his skating skills, but his other components such as TR, P/E, CH, and IN should not be clearly better than others, such as Takahashi and Abbott, for example.
     
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  18. aftershocks

    aftershocks Well-Known Member

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    We can only hope, museksk8r. Truly not a good thing that it comes to this kind of "hoping" and anticipated "thrill" or wishing to see someone lose b/c of consistent over-scoring. The judges seem not to care -- they seem intent on riding Chan at least all the way to 2013 Worlds (and maybe beyond), unless he breaks completely down before then.
     
  19. Zokko!

    Zokko! Comansnala?

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    Let's still dream the "impossible": Candyman Chan won't be judges darling for once and will be defended by phenomenal Dai! :p
    (I won't participate in this poll, sorry!) :slinkaway
     
  20. aftershocks

    aftershocks Well-Known Member

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    ^^ Agree Zokko! I didn't bother participating in the poll either ...


    To dream the impossible dream
    To fight the unbeatable foe ...

    To right the unrightable wrong ...
    To reach the unreachable star ...
    No matter how hopeless, no matter how far ...

    And I know if Dai and Jeremy will only be true to this glorious quest ...
    The skating world will be better for this!
     
  21. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    Abbott - He's usually already peaked at this time, might make some mistakes and drop into the bottom half of the top 10. There's also the risk that he won't even BE there, although I think he'll be able to qualify.

    Takahashi - I think he can still challenge for GOLD with the way he's been skating and the way Chan has been skating in the past couple of competitions.

    Hanyu - He's too young yet and there's no guarantee he'll even be there.

    Oda - Doesn't look promising this season, with his injury and his tendency to have meltdowns/make silly mistakes at inopportune times.

    Kozuka - YES, medalled last year and has been skating well on the GP, no big problems.

    Gachinski - Has a chance, he medalled last year and while he hasn't blown everyone away on the GP, he's been skating decently.

    Brezina - He has a good chance too since he's been skating well on the GP, and when his jumps are there he's on fire.

    Fernandez - I think he has some good skates but he's not quite ready yet to take the podium. Maybe top 5.

    Joubert - With his skating last year and his injury and consequent withdrawal from the GP, I unfortunately don't have much hope for him being on the podium this year. Let's hope I'm proved wrong!

    Verner - Withdrew from a GP event and skated pretty badly at the other one, so I don't see him as a likely candidate for the podium right now.

    Song - This is a hard one to call, as he started skating magnificently out of nowhere. I'm not sure if he's ready for a medal yet, or if he'll continue the wonderful skating streak, but he's got a shot.

    Rippon - I'm not sure if he'll make it out of the US, and if he does, I don't think he's quite at the level of some of the guys on this list.
     
  22. aftershocks

    aftershocks Well-Known Member

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    ^^ Generally good assessments, except I don't agree that Gachinski has been "skating decently," while Abbott "usually already peaked at this time."

    Gachinski is definitely talented, but he looks like an awkward colt right now and his legs are quite stiff on his jump landings. Plus he doesn't seem to know what to do with his arms, and he's generally a diamond in the rough -- needs a lot of polishing.

    As far as Jeremy, we shall see. He's got great programs this season. You can't say that he peaked "around this time" in 2008-2009 -- season of his first GPF win and his first Nationals win. In 2009 - 2010, Jeremy may have peaked at Nationals, but not "around this time." In 2010 - 2011, I don't think Jeremy ever "peaked." He was dealing with skate problems and adjustments all season long, and he still skated some very good programs that were a bit low-balled in the scoring (and he medaled on GP circuit). He skated great in the sp at Nats, faltered a bit in the fp, and paid the price.

    We're in the new season now and its not over yet.
     
  23. bbkenn

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    Takahashi will not win GPF or Worlds if he doesn't land a quad. The top 3 who land the quad and quad triple successfully will win, pure and simple.
     
  24. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    Hanyu is winning without landing a quad, when others land it. I don't think the quad is that big a factor anymore.
     
  25. pinky166

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    Hanyu looks good to medal now, I honestly think it will be Patrick followed by the 3 Japanese men. Others have an outside chance, but Jeremy's quad is not consistent and he'll need it at Worlds to medal especially where he's been making lots of other jump mistakes recently, Javier is doing great now but I have to wonder if it will last, Brezina's skating is a bit milk-toasty for my taste and I really don't think his FS this season does him any favors and he also tends to have stamina issues in the FS, Arthur could surprise but seems to be struggling a little bit recently, Joubert and Verner could earn the marks to be up there if either skates a blinder but they are both injured currently and I don't really see that happening, Van Der Perren and Contesti might be able to jump their way to the European podium but I highly doubt that could happen at Worlds (same goes for Song and 4CC), Amodio has been struggling recently and his programs are bad and his quad doesn't seem consistent enough yet, Oda is off and I doubt he even makes the team this season.

    My picks are Patrick, Hanyu and Kozuka, and if the good Takahashi shows up he can knock one of his countrymen off the podium.
     
  26. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, I meant by that he's already peaked by this time, that he's already peaked BY WORLDS, not right now during the GP series. I should have been more clear.
     
  27. PDilemma

    PDilemma Well-Known Member

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    I assume that if Patrick skates clean at Worlds he will be awarded all three medals.:slinkaway
     
  28. Proustable

    Proustable New Member

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    It startles me how little people seem to get that this statement is not true.
     
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  29. Proustable

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    I suspect that if he gets injured and withdraws, people will still complain he's overscored at the event.
     
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  30. professordeb

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    Yep, sounds about right to me :lol: I'm sure the Chan haterz will be out in full force :D