Which lady had weakest competition during time on top

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Which lady had weakest overall average level competiion while on top in primes

  1. Anett Pootosh

    27 vote(s)
    13.8%
  2. Michelle Kwan

    51 vote(s)
    26.0%
  3. Kim Yu Na

    16 vote(s)
    8.2%
  4. Irina Slutskaya

    6 vote(s)
    3.1%
  5. Rosalynn Summer

    11 vote(s)
    5.6%
  6. Katarina Witt

    5 vote(s)
    2.6%
  7. Kristi Yamaguchi

    2 vote(s)
    1.0%
  8. Midori Ito

    2 vote(s)
    1.0%
  9. Oksana Baiul

    37 vote(s)
    18.9%
  10. Dorothy Hamill

    15 vote(s)
    7.7%
  11. Peggy Fleming

    16 vote(s)
    8.2%
  12. Trixi Schubert

    8 vote(s)
    4.1%
  1. ohashibiles

    ohashibiles Member

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    Which great female skater had the weakest overall average competition through their careers, especialy their prime years. My choice would be Anett Pootesh who was on top during a weak era with no many great skaters I thought.
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  2. orbitz

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    The people who voted for MK .... Um... did they understand the question being asked? Michelle had fierce competitions with the likes of Chen Lu, Irina , Maria, Sasha, Tara and Sarah, among others.

    My vote is for Fratianne and Annett. Maybe Dorothy also, since DeLeew and Christina Errath were weaker free skaters than Dorothy.
  3. judgejudy27

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    If the thread starter means Annett Poetzsch then her for sure. I have often said the 1977-1982 period was the most dire time ever for womens skating, although the 1982 Worlds in its direness produced massive excitement all the same. There were actually some skaters great to watch in the late 70s like Watanabe, Biellmann, Vodorezova, Marie Allen, Burge, Lenz, and many others but for a host of various possible reasons they werent ever competitive for medals other than Watanabe and Biellmann a bronze on occasion. Competitions for medals boiled down to battles between 3 completely mediocre women- Annett, Linda Fratianezzzz, and Dagmar Lurzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
  4. Robeye

    Robeye Curiously curious

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    What's with the spelling? Makes her sound like an obscure Rajput kingdom somewhere near the Himalayas, as Romanized by Kipling. ;)
  5. TheIronLady

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    I vote for Rosalynn Summer. Her last name is a beautiful season.
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  6. Vagabond

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    Trixi Schubert? I loved her Rosamunde Short Program. :swoon:

    ETA: Given that these ladies were all on top, would someone please send me a PM and let me know who was on bottom? :saint:
  7. l'etoile

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    I absolutely echoe this. Totally baffled that there are people who even consider MK weak at any moment. Doesn't nine straight Worlds medals, FIVE GOLDS among them, say anything? Besides, MK executed more 7-triple LPs than most of the most fierce competitors!
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    It must be from those who say that MK must win every poll. :p

    I voted for Anett Pootosh. (I don't know if that spelling is a joke or for real, but :lol:)
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  9. munow

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    It's Anett Pötzsch.
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    Out of the ones I do know (I'm too young for the Poetzsch era), Baiul.. although she wasn't on top long. But Kerrigan, Bonaly, and Sato as competition don't really compare to the people that the other 90s/00s leading ladies had to face. Well, there was also Chen for Baiul, but Chen hadn't really reached her prime yet.
  11. TheIronLady

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    But what about the Pootosh era?
  12. museksk8r

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    I was thinking it might could be that, but I was also wondering if some psychotic Yu-Na fanatics were somehow trying to lessen Kwan's accomplishments by claiming she had no competition to try and make Yu-Na somehow seem better, which is really contradictory if that is what is happening considering how those same Yu-Na fanatics claim that Mao, Joannie, Carolina, and Miki are no competition whatsoever for Yu-Na. Freakin' DELUSIONAL! :rollin:
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    :(
    her fans did something wrong to you? huh...
  14. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

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    No, reading comprehension shows that some of her fans dismiss her competitors and skating peers that came before her; they haven't done anything to me. I actually like many things about Yu-Na; her charitable spirit and her competitive nerve and jumping technique minus the loop, but nobody's perfect. ;)
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    Anyway it doesn't make sense because Kwan lost to Lipinski more times than she won against.

    I must say I consider Asada, Kostner (when she is on) and Rochette tougher competition than Slutskaya, Cohen and Hughes (lol).
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    Nice try, LOL. Give me an example in which Yu-Na fans dismissed Kwan’s or previous skating greats’ accomplishments. Yu-Na fans are not that complex minded.

    Given that Kwan indeed had stiff competition during her active years, and by the fact that this poll had gathered mysteriously overwhelming number of choices for (or against) Kwan in its early stage (even though the poll question is fairly easy to be understood clearly), AND given that the poster like you now giving an unmistakably cheap shot at Yu-Na fans, its intended plan is clear to me.

    Give it up, J-bot. Are you and the OP ohashibliles buddies?
  17. munow

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    I do find musekskater's bitter sentiments against "some" Kim fans a bit funny.
  18. museksk8r

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    That's not correct.

    1996 Nationals
    Kwan 1st, Lipinski 3rd

    1996 Worlds
    Kwan 1st, Lipinski 15th

    1996 Trophee Lalique
    Kwan 1st, Lipinski 3rd

    1997 Nationals
    Lipinski 1st, Kwan 2nd

    1997 GPF
    Lipinski 1st, Kwan 2nd

    1997 Worlds
    Lipinski 1st, Kwan 2nd

    1997 Skate America
    Kwan 1st, Lipinski 2nd

    1998 Nationals
    Kwan 1st, Lipinski 2nd

    1998 Olympics
    Lipinski 1st, Kwan 2nd

    Record:
    Kwan 5, Lipinski 4

    I definitely agree with you on this! I never understood why some of Kim's fans tried to downplay those 3 ladies. Slutskaya, Cohen, and Hughes are definitely not the weakest competition ever though. Michelle also had to fend off Tara Lipinski, Chen Lu, and Maria Butyrskaya. Kwan's longevity made her the target of many ladies. :)
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  19. museksk8r

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    Laughter is the best medicine; I get many :lol: from reading this forum. Laugh away. :rollin:
  20. museksk8r

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    This, for instance, is hysterical, as I don't even know what it means, but the simple thought that anyone thinks I'm a "bot" is funny.
  21. munow

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    Thanks for correction. ;)
  22. lowtherlore

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    Well, I found it funny you lodged unfounded accusation on Yu-Na fans on a simple poll not really directly related to Yu-Na or her fans. Who's the first offender?

    And, do you think a "bot" or a "hater" is that clearly differentiated in substance?
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    I agree on this!!!! this era's skaters are not weaker than cohen or Hughes at all! her main rivals like Mao are definitly great, strong skaters
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  24. lowtherlore

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    If that comforts you, fine. I disagree with the claim that the currently active ladies are more competitive, or comprehensively stronger, than the ones from a generation earlier.
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    Judging by OP's rationale for her choice of Anett Poetsch, I think the question is intended to be who faced the weakest field of competitors, not who had the weakest performance during their competitive career. Although, people seem to be interpreting the question both ways.

    I still wouldn't choose Kwan, the few times she had flawed performances she did not win. Two major competitions (96 Worlds and 98 Olympics) were hair-splittingly close. I think her dominance of a decade was due to her amazing consistency, not weak competition.
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  26. lowtherlore

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    BTW, you're too a J-bot, right? I find these loaded poll questions, not just this one but the one(s) you started, apparently aiming to be implicit but funnily apparent, somewhat typical of the kind.
  27. torren

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    :lol:

    So Do you think this era's ladies competitors like Mao, Ando, Kostner are weaker than Cohen or Huhges?? Particulary Mao who is no.2 in this era is weaker than slutzkaya, cohen???
  28. lowtherlore

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    Yes. Technically, Slutskaya was stronger. Performance wise, Cohen was stronger. It's of course my opinion. Do you find it funny? :lol:
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    Why are you accusing other posters of being a "J-Bot?"
  30. aftershocks

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    The pollster's phrasing (not to mention spelling, of course) is a real hash of a mess (especially since different interpretations are possible), but who cares!?

    It's the off-season! :summer:


    Very funny. Maybe it should have been "Rosalynn Winter," and maybe then she would have beat Witt?


    :lol:

    Forget that last request! I wanna see a vid of Schubert's Rosamunde!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA-QjmP_ZyM


    Uhhh?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCk8tt6gfAY Well, I doubt Trixi herself ever woulda shined in Rosamunde judging by this weak, labored interpretation of another composer's music. Ummm, wow at 1:50 timing to the music. And that hairstyle!? That must be what was weighing her down. :yawn:

    ETA:
    The comment by the youtube poster shows that the poster isn't familiar with more accomplished freestyle skaters of that era. But sure, skating has changed, just not necessarily in every respect for the better.


    BTW, which skaters (singles, pairs or dance) could do Rosamunde justice?
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  31. torren

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    This ladies field is not weaker at all than the ones from a generation earlier. There are many great competitors, especially Mao. The rivaly Kim vs Asada was not low level

    i know you are a kim's fan. then, why don't you agree with me that kim era's Ladies field was not weak???although this claim would be good for kim, too?
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  32. museksk8r

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    Bottoms are actually much tougher than tops. :hat1: ;) :p
  33. lowtherlore

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    Why not, tell me, when I have enough suspicion.

    Is it good for any public forum when a certain group of posters keep posting obviously loaded poll questions and subsequent coalition posts over and over again? In the case of this thread, in an obvious attempt to create controversies/enmities among the fans of present and past skaters? Don't blame me. If you can't get it (although I think you do get it), look at muse****'s post #12 as an example. Let's not play innocent and ignorant.
  34. lowtherlore

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    Oh dear, my opinion has nothing to do with me being a Yu-Na fan.
  35. museksk8r

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    I'm so :EVILLE:. I'm going to FSU jail. :2faced:
  36. kuzytalent

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    This thread isnt about weakest skater. It is about who had the weakest competition. I voted for Michelle for that. Besides Tara in 1997-1998 and Irina in 2001-2002 there was nobody who could challenge her at all during her prime from 1996-2004. Including Tara in 1997 is even generous since Michelle was so depressed with her own disaesterous skating at the time she was crying endlessly and called it her coma, and Tara still had to skate perfectly with loads of triple-triples to barely beat her, and even then with some controversy.

    Listing ones achievements being so high only makes it more likely they had weaker competition. While in rare instance someone compiles one of the best records ever even with stronger competition, the likelihood of greater achievements and dominance is made higher by poorer competition, so listing how much Kwan has achieved only makes it more likely even if not a guarantee, her competition was probably poorer.
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    Asada is a superior skater to Slutskaya. She was beating Slutskaya when she was underaged for Worlds and Olympics and Slutskaya was at her peak. Technically stronger, no. Mao does triple axels which Irina never went near, and does triple-triples much more consistently than Irina did too. She also has better spins probably, and much better spirals. Granted technical they are atleast closer than in artistic where Irina is one of the poorest ever World Champions.

    Cohen gets lower PCS in her prime than Asada usually gets the last 5 years, so I wouldnt say she is stronger in performance, and in technique she is poor for any top 6 level skater in any random time period, let alone compared to Kim and Asada, two all time great technical skaters.

    Asada > Slutskaya
    Kostner or Ando > Cohen
    Ando or Rochette >> Hughes, Butyrskaya, whoever is left of Kwan's competition that lasted more than 13 months
  38. karlon

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    I was very unpleasant to that post, too. but she is not Japanese surely.
    I hope that some posters don't make more controversy which is not related with the title of thread, regardless of who's fault
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  39. briancoogaert

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    Maybe it's because she was too good for the others !
    You have to compare entire fields, not just winners. The fact that the winner was clearly superior to the others doesn't make the field weak ! LOL
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    Irina yes was competition. Tara was for 13 months, which would have been 0-2 months had Kwan not driven herself to tears and a coma by her own words with her worst ever skating in 1997. The rest? Not. Lu Chen was Michelle's competition for 1 event- 1996 Worlds. Maria was competition for Michelle if she fell 4 or 5 times. Sarah pretty much the same. Sasha maybe could have been competition but cant keep herself from falling over and over.