Which Film Should Win The Best Picture Oscar?

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Maofan7, Jan 22, 2013.

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Which Film Should Win The Best Picture Oscar?

Poll closed Feb 21, 2013.
  1. Amour

    5 vote(s)
    6.1%
  2. Argo

    30 vote(s)
    36.6%
  3. Beasts of the Southern Wild

    3 vote(s)
    3.7%
  4. Django Unchained

    2 vote(s)
    2.4%
  5. Les Misérables

    13 vote(s)
    15.9%
  6. Life of Pi

    8 vote(s)
    9.8%
  7. Lincoln

    12 vote(s)
    14.6%
  8. Silver Linings Playbook

    3 vote(s)
    3.7%
  9. Zero Dark Thirty

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    7.3%
  1. Maofan7

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    Which film would you give the best picture Oscar to (as opposed to what you think will win) in terms of the 9 films that have been nominated?
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  2. Artemis@BC

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    Full disclosure: I have not yet seen Les Mis, I plan to in the next week or two. I also haven't seen Zero Dark Thirty and don't plan on seeing it on the big screen; I'll watch it on DVD when it comes out though.

    The race as I see it is really 3 movies: Pi, Lincoln, and Beasts. Les Mis, Argo, and Zero are out of the race IMO just because their directors weren't nominated. (Doesn't mean the same film will win in both categories, but without even being nominated, no go. Fair? No. But reality methinks.) Amour I think will win best Foreign picture, not best film. Silver Linings ... enjoyable movie but not best of the year by any stretch.

    So from those 3: I loved Beasts, but I don't see it as "best picture" (tho I'd be a pretty happy puppy if Zeitlin won for director). Lincoln was pretty great, but aside from the amazingness of DDL it's by-the-book biopic stuff, nothing original. Not that a movie has to be "original" to be best picture, but since this year we have one that is ...

    So ... my vote goes to Life of Pi. It's everything that an Oscar-winning best picture should be. Visually stunning. Superbly written and with stellar acting. Thought-provoking and original. Something you can talk about for days afterward. And it has a tiger for frack's sake! :D

    Do I think it will win? Probably not. But that wasn't the question.
  3. AliasJohnDoe

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    Where's the "other" option? :D
  4. Buzz

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    I vote for Argo. :cheer2:
  5. Artemis@BC

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    LOL!

    Ok, so what would your "other" be then?
  6. jenny12

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    I've not seen all of them but I have seen Django Unchained, Les Mis, Zero Dark Thirty, and Lincoln. Out of those I'd vote for Django Unchained. Not a perfect movie by any means and does fall apart at the end but the first part of the movie is strong and the dialogue is great. Lincoln was well done, but became slow for me. I thought Zero Dark Thirty was mostly intense, but dragged a bit as well. However, I think Django, ZDT, and Lincoln would be fine winners. I thought Les Mis was horrible and did not deserve a Best Picture nomination to say the least.
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  7. AliasJohnDoe

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    "Skyfall" "Looper" "Avengers" or "Ted". :lol:

    "Magic Mike" if Channing Tatum, Alex Pettyfer, Matthew Bomer, Joe Manganiello, Matthew McConaughey do a stage show. :grope:
  8. vesperholly

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    I would've voted for Argo before I saw it. Meh ...

    Skyfall definitely should've gotten a nod. Fantastic movie.
  9. Vash01

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    I have seen Lincoln, Zero Dark Thirty, Argo, Les Mis, Life of Pi, Silver linings playbook (I plan to see 'Django unchained' and 'Beasts of...')

    At first I thought Lincoln was the best film of the year. Then I saw Argo and I had to change my mind. I thought Les Mis dragged a lot, and Silver linings did not really impress me as much as it has others (although I enjoyed watching it).

    I voted for Argo. It had some minor flaws, based on what my Iranian coworker told me (e.g. children working to put the shredded paper together was not true- adults did it; they said the Iranian phrase for 'goodbye' when they said 'hello'- something like that; I don't remember the exact words), but that did not detract from the story. It had suspense, excitement, acting, and great direction. In addition Argo gets my sympathy vote because Ben Afflec did not get the best director nomination. That was really unfair.

    I thought Zero Dark Thirty was a very well made film, but my expectations were sky high when I went in, so it came slightly lower than my expectations. Cathryn Bigelow definitely deserved the BD nom also.

    After I see the other two movies I mentioned, I doubt that it will change my vote. I don't care for Tarrantino at all. In the other movie, my only interest is in the 9 year old actress whose name I cannot pronounce. :)

    My biggest disappointment this year- Skyfall did not get nominated for Best Picture.
  10. Maofan7

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    I went for Les Mis. I think its gradually doing what The Kings Speech did a couple of years ago and is making a late charge.
  11. talulabell

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    I also voted for Les Miz... It was so grand in some places and so personal in others... It seemed like a Herculean challenge to bring to the big screen, and I thought it was VERY well done. I dont cry at movies, and I had tears in my eyes in several places, and was nearly a bawling fool at the end. All that said, I actually expect Argo to win. That was also really well done, and as many others have said, even though you knew how it ended, I was on the edge of my seat. I totally remember all that "Merci Canada" hoopla in the early 80's! I still have to see Lincoln and Life of Pi, tho.

    Agree that Ben being left off the director list was unfair. Some have joke it's related to that one exchange in the film between him and Alan Arkin: Alan: "can you teach him to be a director", Ben: "I can teach a monkey to be a director in 5 minutes", or something like that. LOL!
  12. KikiSashaFan

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    I really liked Argo, moreso than Zero Dark Thirty and Lincoln.

    Les Mis was okay, but I didn't think Amanda Seyfried was a good fit for Cosette, and Russell Crowe's voice was not right for Javert. Just my opinion though.

    I'm not a big fan of Tarantino, so I'm not interested in seeing Django Unchained. I do still want to see Silver Linings Playbook and Life of Pi.
  13. talulabell

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    I clipped that part of the previous post, mostly because I wanted to ask about the kids putting the shredding together (in Argo). At the end of the movie, during the credits, didnt they show a photo from the time, of the kids pasting the strips, right next to a still from the movie? Maybe they only showed period pic of the strips themselves?
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  14. my little pony

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    Amour is my favorite film that was nominated. I liked Killing Me Softly better than most if not all of the nominees.
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    I will ask my coworker from Iran again. She has seen the movie, but she may not remember those last stills from the movie.
  16. CantALoop

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    I voted for Argo - I absolutely loved how it wove together actual footage from history within the fabric of the movie, and how much detail and attention they paid to recreating the time and setting of the events.

    I felt that it seemed so earnest whereas Lincoln, although superbly cast and acted, was directed and written with so much grandstanding I had to roll my eyes at some monologues where they might as well have flashed "NOMINATE US!" on the screen.
  17. Wyliefan

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    I think that Lincoln will win, but I wish Les Mis could. Loved both of them, but Les Mis was in a class by itself.
  18. Artemis@BC

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    Ok, finally saw Les Mis last night. And, while I enjoyed it very much, and it definitely deserves to be in the top 10 list for the year ... I still don't think it's the best picture of the year. When it's a film that's adapted from another source, the film should be better to qualify as Best Picture, IMO. And Les Mis on film simply isn't as good as the stage version. Unlike Life of Pi, which was better than the book. (In my not-so-humble opinion.) Plus Life of Pi had me completely engaged and immersed from beginning to end, whereas I found myself distracted and picking nits in various places in Les Mis.

    So. If Argo can buck the trend and win best picture despite the director not being nominated ... Argo should win. (Plus it has the advantage that I actually think it could win, unlike Pi which I'm fairly certain won't.) But if it goes according to norm, I think Lincoln and Spielberg will win (even tho they shouldn't).
  19. Vash01

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    I would like to see Argo win, like the majority here, but every day I become more convinced that Lincoln is going to win the best picture.
  20. peibeck

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    The momentum is with "Argo" after winning the Golden Globe, PGA, and Screen Actors Guild ensemble award. If Ben Affleck wins the DGA tonight, and "Argo" wins Best Picture at the BAFTAs the race is over.

    Should win? My vote would be "Life of Pi," the only movie which haunted my imagination weeks after seeing the movie.
  21. KatieC

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    Hated Beasts of the Southern Wild, Silver Linings Playbook was okay, not Oscar worthy, Argo the same. Liked Lincoln quite a bit and loved Life of Pi. So that's where my vote goes. Have to confess I haven't seen the others. Also liked Skyfall.
  22. Vash01

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    I saw a part of Piers Morgan tonight (may have been a rerun), with Jennifer Lawrence and the director of Silver linings (David Russell). She is pretty awesome. I still would prefer Jessica win the Oscar, but Jennifer has a fantastic movie career ahead of her, regardless of what happens at the Oscars this time.
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    Affleck won the DGA Award tonight. Typically, the DGA predicts Best Director, so...that'll be interesting.
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    Fascinating. These Oscars should be interesting because some of the big awards are really not predictable. Best Supporting Actor, the battle of the two J's for Best Actress, and who the heck will win Best Picture?! I still contend that it won't be Argo because the Academy seemed determined to bury it, but who knows. Backlash is a powerful thing. And I wonder how the winner of Best Director will feel knowing they won th Oscar but NOTHING else? Lol! Drama abounds!

    Anyway, it makes Affleck's snub so much more bizarre. I'm sure it's hard for him to feel bad with his armful of prestigious awards, but there's still a huge "what if" that has got to bother him. A Best Pcture win would go a ways to fixing that but still, it ain't the same!
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    I wonder how embarrassed the Academy are now for shunning Affleck? Me thinks Argo will win best picture.
  26. screech

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    This is what confuses me a bit, because movie directors are the ones who nominate the directors for the Oscars (you can only give your nomination picks for the category you work in, but then every member can vote for the winner of every category). Obviously the directors like Ben, since he won the DGA, so it's very confusing.

    I haven't seen Argo, but if it wens, Ben does get an Oscar (as a producer) so it would be a sort of consolation prize for him, since he really wanted that Oscar for directing. And I think he will get that reward.
  27. Vash01

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    Shame on the academy for not recognizing the excellence of Affleck as Director. I am wondering if they wanted to make sure that Spielberg will get his third Oscar by not nominating Affleck and Bigelow? They were his main competition. I am not saying Spielberg is not deserving of the honor, but this award should have an asterisk (*) against it.
  28. peibeck

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    I doubt "Argo" would win only the Best Picture trophy; if/when it wins, it will likely be like "Crash" several years ago and take the top prize, perhaps screenplay, and a very good shot at editing. Affleck, as someone else mentioned, is one of the producers. So if it wins Best Picture, he won't go home empty handed despite not being nominated for director.

    There are a lot more DGA members than directors who are members of the Academy. DGA includes TV (including commercial) directors. Of the 14 branches of the Academy, the Directors branch is much smaller than the actors, writers and producers branches.

    It's also possible that when then Academy members voted, they assumed Affleck would get a nod and individuals pushed up a less likely director (Russell, Haneke, and Zeitlen) they hoped to see get a nomination. Even if they voted for Affleck on their ballot as a fourth or fifth choice, with the weighted ballot it may have been too little-too late.
  29. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Then which nominee would you personally kick out of the Best Director category and thus not giving them any deserved recognition as well?

    I'm getting tired for the Poor Affleck story because he's anything but "poor." I think what got lost is that this past year was simply a strong year for movies and reasonable minds differ on who should be in and should be out.

    If the Best Director winner at the Oscars is going to have an asterisk on it, then will every winner who upsets the favorite (that has won most of the precursors by a wide margin) not be deemed a "proper" winner? What about all the wins Affleck has? If we're going to argue that the Oscars lost credibility for not nominating him, then one can argue that him being snubbed by the Director's Branch (but not by the entire Academy as Argo was nominated for a generous amount of awards) helped him win those awards as they wanted to give him a consolation prize a la Spielberg for The Color Purple and Ron Howard for Apollo 13.

    I think I'm just annoyed because I watched all the movies and it's a shame that people are sort of dismissing the nominees who did get in all for the Affleck story (and ignoring Bigelow in the process). I know the Globes, Broadcast Critics, DGA gave Affleck best Director, but does that mean the Academy is truly wrong in maybe placing him 6th or lower and instead nominating the Haneke for Amour or Behn Zeitlin for Beasts of the Southern Wild? Although I hated SLP, enough people like it enough to explain how David O. Russell got in and are they wrong for nominating him just because I personally didn't care for his work in SLP?
  30. Anita18

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    There was similar uproar when Chris Nolan didn't get noms for BP or BD for The Dark Knight despite being nominated for all the guild awards. (It was a big reason why the Academy switched up the BP voting.) So this is not the first time it's happened, although Nolan did not win the DGA that year and make the Academy look especially stupid. :lol:
  31. genevieve

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    I've only seen 4 of the Best Picture nominees....pretty sure Lincoln is going to win, but I don't think it's the best picture at all. Would love to see Amour or Beasts of the SOuthern Wild win, but my vote went to Zero Dark Thirty. I really liked Argo, but that ridiculous airport scene kinda killed it.
  32. Vash01

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    Too bad you did not feel Affleck was great as Director for Argo. Any of the nominees other than Spielberg and Lee could have been dropped to get Affleck the nomination. He was better than them. The reason you are seeing such an uproar over his omission in this category is that he is winning just about every other award for Director. We are not seeing such an uproar over Bigelow's omission, possibly because she won a Best Director Oscar very recently. I do believe the Academy was completely wrong in not nominating Affleck for Argo. You cannot make a great movie without a great director. I did not care for SLP and it wouldn't have been totally wrong if he had been dropped (actually I would have liked to see Tarrantino dropped because I hate that kind of direction based on blood).
  33. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Tarantino wasn't nominated.

    The directors who "took Affleck's spot" were Michael Haneke for Amour who won critical praise and many critical awards for his work, Behn Zeitlin for Beasts of the Southern Wild which also won praises including a big win at the Cannes Film Festival and nominated for many more, and David O. Russell for Silver Linings Playbook which was also critically lauded and won the audience award OVER Argo at that the Toronto Film Festival.

    Your argument that a movie is nothing without its director is valid and on-point. But when people reward directing, they see many things. Is a director just a manager of all the little nuts and bolts that make a movie and does his/her best to do damage control? Is a director one who has a real point-of-view and does a great job symbolizing what that is? Is he/she an auteur who advances film to a new level in the way he/she builds up the tension, sets up the camera, paces the story, etc.? Does a director have to have an obvious style or does he/she need to lie back and let the story and actors do their job?

    Also, all the directors that were nominated in place of Affleck also directed films that were nominated for Best Picture. So, why shouldn't they also have a valid claim to a nomination?

    I never said that Ben Affleck was not great as a Director for Argo. I just think it was reasonable for him or anyone else to be left out or nominated because it really was a strong year.

    Don't get me wrong, we all have our bias and and it gets the better of us (for me Crash vs. Brokeback) and films make us passionate. However, I do think it's a bit much when people are saying how the Broadcast Film critics (tv critics) and Hollywood Foreign Press Association (like 100 foreign "journalist" who nobody really knows but have a reputation of being star-bangers), and the DGA (a great union but it includes EVERYBODY such as second-assistant directors who aren't the creative force behind a film and Adam Sandler) making fools of the Academy just because they had a difference opinion.

    People complain all the time that the Oscars were too predictable and it only follows what the other awards are doing. Now, the Academy shook it up, but people don't like it because it hurt their fave film. I personally thought Bigelow should have been in there in the place of David O. Russell and should be considered a top contender for the award. However, the Academy disagreed with me as do many people.
  34. Lorac

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    Why does the academy - or in reality the academy members who were entitled to nominate the best director i.e. other directors - need to ensure Spielberg gets a 3rd Oscar? I do think that he is the odds on fav especially with Affleck and Bigelow missing out on the nomination but I don't get that the academy members need to manipulate the process like this - if in fact they have.

    Does anyone reckon that Argo will get the sympathy vote for Affleck to get an Oscar for best film as he has missed out on the best director nod? I think more of the general academy members may well throw a best film vote Argos way because of the lack best director nomination.
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    You can't be serious. The Oscars have been the most political awards for several decades. Many times we have seen a deserving actor/actress or a picture not winning for reasons other than the performances. Then at a later date that actor/actress gets a consolation prize/Oscar for a lesser performance. Manipulations are not uncommon at all. Some may be due to marketing, and some are due to politics within the academy. That is why awards like the Director guild, screen actors guild, etc. are more for the actual work.
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    Those latter awards are just as political (maybe even moreso since they hit closer to home). Ask Harvey Weinstein. He uses those other awards to gain traction because what he really wants is the big Oscar win. Think of those awards as the GP events and Continental championships leading up to Worlds/Olympics.

    The thing is you may be convinced that the Director's Branch manipulated it so that Spielberg can win, but you really don't have any proof of that. I just think that what happened was many took for granted that Affleck would get nominated and ranked him lower, while promoting the directors for smaller films higher because they thought someone like Zeitlin and Haneke had a much more difficult time securing a nomination.

    Many pundits are saying Argo is going to win Best Picture because it's the consensus pick...the movie that nobody really hates and most do really enjoy, but nobody is truly passionate about while the other films will lose because they have strong passionate supporters, but none of them have united the different factions to secure a win. Thus an Argo win. Basically, it's an ordinal system and Argo may win with the most 2nd and 3rd place votes because the others with more 1st place votes will also suffer from having 6-9 place votes as well.

    In the other categories, Argo isn't the favorite to win and we can see for the first time in history a movie winning Best Picture and only Best Picture.
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  37. Lorac

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    OK I worded my comment wrong - what I meant to say is why would the Academy - according to your observation - seem bent on Spielberg getting a 3rd Oscar? That is what I don't undertand. If he hadn't won one I could undertand the manipulation - but he has 2 already!!
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    BAFTA (British Oscars) are going on right now.

    Skyfall just beat Les Miserables for Best British Film.
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    Yes, Argo is now the bookies favourite. Would still like Les Misérables to win though
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    I have no idea. I cannot read their minds, just like in other cases (e.g. why they waited for 20+ years to allow Mery Streep win her third Oscar, or why they wanted Sandra Bullock or Julia Roberts to win an Oscar).