Which 'bloc' will win most Gold medals at Worlds & Olympics between 2011 - 2020?

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Which 'bloc' will win the most Gold medals at Worlds & Olympics between 2011 & 2020?

Poll closed Feb 17, 2012.
  1. North America

    23 vote(s)
    27.4%
  2. Asia

    24 vote(s)
    28.6%
  3. Europe

    34 vote(s)
    40.5%
  4. Other

    1 vote(s)
    1.2%
  5. Don't Know

    2 vote(s)
    2.4%
  1. Maofan7

    Maofan7 Well-Known Member

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    Between 2001 - 2010, the number of gold medals won by North America, Asia, and Europe in figure skating at World Championships and Olympics was as follows:-

    Europe - 27
    Asia - 14
    North America - 12
    Others - 0

    However, where will the balance of power lie by 2020? Who will have won the most Gold medals during the period 2011 - 2020?

    The current state of play after the 2011 World Championships is as follows:-

    North America - 2
    Asia - 1
    Europe - 1
    Others - 0
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  2. Amy03

    Amy03 New Member

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    i will go with asia cause they have soo many young skaters who all seem to have great potential, as well as good technique!
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  3. kirkbiggestfan

    kirkbiggestfan Well-Known Member

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    Ice dance is still 25% of the medals and I dont see an Asian team winning a medal within the next 5 years...who knows? Things could change.
  4. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    :wuzrobbed

    Poor Russia doesn't even get a spot in the poll...

    :drama:
  5. seaner00

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    I would pick Asia based on the strength of their singles skaters from Japan
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  6. Jenna

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    Is Russia in Asia or Europe? I am awful at geography. :wuzrobbed

    I picked Europe because I thought Russia was in Europe.
  7. Maofan7

    Maofan7 Well-Known Member

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    Geographically, Russia is in both Europe & Asia. The European part makes up 40% of Europe's entire land mass, and includes Russia's 2 largest cities - Moscow (which is now Europe's most populous city) and St. Petersburg. 78% of Russia's population lives in European Russia. For the purposes of figure skating, Russia is European. That is why it's skaters compete in the European Championships and not the Four Continents (in which Asian countries compete along with the Americas, Africa, and Oceania). Hence, in this poll, Europe means those countries that compete in the European Championships (which therefore includes Russia)
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  8. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    Moscow and St. Petersburg are European cities??? :eek:
  9. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    that was a joke right ? :lol:

    are we talking about singles skating ?
    singles, I see Asia keeping its dominance but europe will improve its standing again with the new wave of young skaters especially from Russia will help

    Ice Dance ? maybe 5 or 7 years from now
    maybe in time for Pyeonchang 2018 there might be a
    strong Dance couple from Asia
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  10. Maofan7

    Maofan7 Well-Known Member

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    It incorporates singles, pairs, and ice dance
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  11. berthesghost

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    this is amazingly close considering
    Europe - Russia, France, Germany, Misc. (lone "podium worthy" skaters from any/all of Ukrain, Italy, Bulgaria, Israel, Spain, etc...)
    Asia - Japan, China..... maybe Korea
    North America - USA and Canada
    Others - people who won't even get close to the top ten, never mind win.

    Is it really statistically surprising that Europe has twice as many champion skaters?
  12. Sparks

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    Yes they are, Kitten. Russia is considered "Europe". Why do you think they get to go to The European Championships? :p:p:p
  13. falling_dance

    falling_dance The Scarlet Unlettered

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    So Peter's this kitten? :confused:
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  14. mia joy

    mia joy New Member

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    I still have faith in Europe. It's the most balanced, it has skaters with potential in each discipline. At the end of the day, Europe is the home of figure skating.
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  15. allezfred

    allezfred Prick Admin Staff Member

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    There are people who follow figure skating who don't know Russia is in Europe? Seriously? :eek: :rofl: :rofl:
  16. Jenna

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    Excuse me?

    It's unbelievable how you manage to be such a little bitch all the time. :rolleyes:
  17. mia joy

    mia joy New Member

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    IKR? Actually, it's kinda surprising for me if any person doesn't know that, a figure skating fan or not. I know its geographical location might be a bit problematic, but come on, it's capital is in Europe and pretty much it's entire history revolves around Europe. It's orginins are European too.
  18. Jenna

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    We're all being especially mature today; that's great to see.


    For the record, I was aware that Russia is in Europe...as I clearly stated in my post, but you all chose to overlook. God forbid anyone has a momentary bit of confusion! Let's all mock her for it! :rolleyes:
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  20. berthesghost

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    :lol: it's an fsu tradition, like death and taxes, always to be counted on.
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  21. Domshabfan

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    We have to wait till 2018 to get the result, so my answer is Africa followed by Antarctica a close second..:p

    I hope i can change my vote..
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  22. Moka-Ananas

    Moka-Ananas Man's Ruin

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    Russia. End of story.
  23. taf2002

    taf2002 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, it is surprising what some people don't know.
  24. Proustable

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    1. Europe - for reasons already mentioned.
    2. Asia
    3. North America
    4. No other continent will see a medal.

    The question becomes more interesting if you try to go for country, not continent. In which case.....

    1. Russia
    2. United States
    3. Japan
    4. Canada
    5. China
  25. mia joy

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    it's just a little misspelling, besides English is not even my first language. Want me to go edit that post for you?
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  26. taf2002

    taf2002 Well-Known Member

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    No I don't. I just think if you dish it out, you need to be able to take it.
  27. Jenna

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    Quoted for truth!
  28. bek

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    I don't agree here. The Russians right now have the strongest crop of junior lady talent and given the issues the senior ladies are having; things are looking strong for them. Their's also the fact that Europe has a very strong shot at sweeping the Pairs podium, and is likely to get at least one person on the dance podium. They have a shot at one on the men's podium.

    I actually think dividing it up between Four Continents countries and Europe would be a more "fair fight)
  29. PeterG

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    Well, I was thinking of taking a trip to London, and with Russia in Europe, I could maybe take a bus or train for a day trip to Vladivostok.

    I was talking about this to a friend and when I told her that Russia was in Asia, she thought I was such a dolt. How embarrassing!!! :eek:
  30. Maofan7

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    I'm sure she will forgive you :)
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  31. berthesghost

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    Yes. And if you go to Spokane for an event, you can always take a bus for a day trip to Miami. It is the same country at after all! :lol:
    And did you show the smug cow a map? :lol:
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  32. PeterG

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    You know, I really don't encounter smug-ness in any sites where I hang out... :shuffle:
  33. bardtoob

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    I think Russia should be able to send skaters to both Euros and 4CC :D

    :COP: Russia has 40% of Europe's land mass, but 77% of the country is in Asia ...
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  34. bek

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    Well if you are going to talk just in terms of land mass then Europe and Asia really shouldn't be a separate continent to begin with. There were physical borders that kept Europeans and Asians a part but not the same kind of borders that keep North American/Europe a part. :lol: Asia/Europe though developed very different culturally. Most of Russia's population lives on the European side too; is of European descent (etc). So culturally it is more Europe.
    Still I remember reading an article about how Russia has always had both the West and the East pulling at it; which makes it different from both groups. Historically there has been tension between those in Russia who wanted to be fully part of Europe and those leaders of Russia who wanted more of an independent course. Heck from the days of Peter the Great. This is a pretty good article that talk about it. http://rbth.ru/articles/2011/09/02/unlocking_russian_identity_european_or_asian_13341.html
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  35. Maofan7

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    The 77% that is in Asia (i.e. Asiatic Russia) is Siberia (in its historic sense as opposed to the modern day Federal Districts - see map)

    Siberia is one of the most sparsely populated areas on the planet (an average of just 3 people for every square kilometer) as much of its terrain and climate are very difficult to live in. In the north, the summer only lasts 1 month. Hence, most of what population is there mostly lives in the south along the Trans-Siberian Railway. This is why 78% of Russians live in European Russia and just 22% in Siberia. Russia's identity, its culture, its history, its capital, its largest cities, and over three-quarters of its population are European. That's why its skaters go to the European Championships and the country participates in European sporting and cultural events across the board right down to the European Football Championships and the Eurovision Song Contest. Yes, there may be an argument (which I am not convinced of as I feel it should be an either/or situation and a choice needs to be made as the 4CC was set up specifically as a championships for those countries who could not compete at the European Championships) for Russia sending teams to both the European Championships and the Four Continents. However, the only fair way of doing that would be for European Russia to send its skaters to the European Championships and for Siberia (i.e. Asiatic Russia) to send its skaters to the 4CC. Unfortunately, however, given that most of Russia's best skaters come from European Russia, Siberia would struggle to put together a team. Hence, I imagine that's one of the reasons why Russia has never sought to get a team into the 4CC. There is also the issue that it would dilute Russia's chances at both championships and the fact that in the pairs and Ice Dance, one of the pair may come from European Russia and the other from Siberia/Asiatic Russia. Nevertheless, Russia has chosen the European Championships for the reasons set out above and that's what they have decided to stick with. Israel faced a similar dilemma and ultimately decided to align itself with Europe. It decided that whilst it is not in Europe, the European Championships and other European sporting events (e.g. its football clubs and national team now participate in European competitions) were the most appropriate option for it for both political reasons and because it felt closer spiritually and culturally to Europe, as the ancestry of many of its people came from there. In fact, it aligns itself with many things European right down to entering the Eurovision Song Contest (which it won back in 1998). Moreover, like Russia, Turkey is in both Europe and Asia and sends its skaters to the European Championships. Its an associate member of the European Union and has applied for full membership, and like Russia, participates in European sporting events across the board, reaching the semi-finals of the 2008 European Football Championships. Hence, countries need to choose one or the other and it needs to be the one that provides the best fit given its overall background. As the 3 examples above illustrate, where a countries land mass happens to be is only one factor, and not necessarily a decisive factor at that.
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  36. mia joy

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    Yes, but the debate was always about being entirely Russian and being more European (in the meaning of western-European). It was never about being European vs Asian.

    Maofan, great post. Russia's belonging to Europe has never been an issue for me, but Israel and Turkey are a different matter.
  37. berthesghost

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    :confused: Israel seems to be a totally different beast, and other than the isu trying to make a place for former USSR skaters, I've never heard of anyone ever considering them "europe". Debates of them joining the EU certainly aren't up front and obvious like they are for Russia and Turkey.

    The issues with Russia and Turkey in this context seem very similar to me. Why the obvious difference for you?
  38. taf2002

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    I'm confused too. Turkey is partly in Europe, just as Russia is, so why would they be an issue at Euros? It's not like they are trying to send skaters to 4CC too. They are identifying solely as European as far as skating is concerned.
  39. mia joy

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    No, I'm not saying I have a problem with these countries sending their athletes to Europeans. I meant in general, for me it's obvious to consider Russia a European country. Turkey... not so much. I don't know, its culture is much more different from the rest of Europe, besides its European part is only 3% of the entire country. There is a reason why Anatolia is also called Asia Minor.
  40. Jammers

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    European skating without Russia would be hurting big time.