Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by lahaa968, Jan 27, 2013.
I wish Nicks would continue as Ashley's coach for one more year.
Was more horrified by the way they had Mirai crying in one side of the camera, and Ashley smirking off to the side. Obviously she wasn't smirking over Mirai's pain (unless she was ) but it looked heartless and tacky. Then again, it's NBC... what can you expect?
I hope Nicks stays by Ashley through Sochi.
I've not read any 'harsh' comments here. She two foots and under rotates her jumps. That's the truth whether people want to see/hear it or not....
Recent articles such as this one http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130118&content_id=41031332&vkey=ice_news seem to suggest that Mirai is really working hard to get into better shape, not to mention the small documentary put up by AT&T which shows her coaches training her quite hard. Perhaps this time it was simply the fact that she had the flu that really affected her.
I am referring to her being sick. She did not two foot or ur in the SP. I give her the benefit of doubt and say that had she not been sick, she might not have had those problems. You are judging her on the past performances, and not this one.
I like Mirai, and I felt bad for her last night. But all technical errors aside, you can't get away from the fact that she skated that program without a single facial expression. Not one.
Mirai has been doing this a long time. She has to know that you can't skate a program completely deadpan and not get dinged for it. I know she wasn't well, but she could have at least tried to look the tiniest bit interested in what she was doing. Other skaters weren't well and they at least made an effort.
There have been quotes from both Mirai and her coaches that she increased her off-ice training this season.
I don't get this comment at all. Lots of 19 year olds still live with their parents. How is Mirai being immature by living at home? She trains close to her home as do lots of other skaters. Plus, last season she sacrificed a lot of training time making the commute to train with FC and it didn't work.
Re: Ashley. What works for one skater may not work for others. Moving to the other side of the country worked wonders for Ashley but there's no guarantee that it will do the same for Mirai. There are plenty of skaters who uproot themselves and their skating does not improve at all. The skaters have to do what they think is best for them. Sometimes that means staying close to home. Other times it means moving across a country or even the world.
All of these skaters seem to put in hours everyday to skate. It's a full time job. Mirai also mentioned in another interview stopping college courses because it interrupted training. That doesn't seem like the action of someone who isn't committed. Mirai has some weaknesses but this season, at least, lack of commitment and lack of training do not appear to be one of them.
And we don't know if her family could afford such a move.
Mirai was not the only one who had questionable jumps-but she seemed to one of the few to get nailed for them. As to her dead-pan expression, Gracie had it too. She looked terrified in the SP and tense in the FS. Her face was a blank until she landed her jumps and she did not project at all. But she still received curiously high PCS scores (including 9s which were especially obsurd). Ashley's 2 fall FS should not have garnered such high PCS scores as well but I do think she was the better skater overall than Gold when you include the SP.
No, she really didn't. Gracie's facial expressions need a lot of work, but at least she had some.
There was only one two foot that program if I remember correctly...
Anyways, does anyone else think the 1 point deduction for the "fall" on the flip was warranted? I don't think that should have been counted as a fall. Sasha did something very similar at the 2006 Olympics and she didn't get a deduction for it. Some of the downgrades also were harsh. I don't think the triple toe on the 2A-3T should have been given a <. But it really did seem she just didn't have the stamina to keep on going in that program.
I thought Grace looked a little first timerish. She went out and got the job done! Awesome stuff and a focused individual, especially being in the top flight at your first Sr Nationals eh? lol . Once she gets some assignments under her belt she'll be comfortable enough to project I'd think.
I think step 1 for Mirai should be to not have the flu. Then it will be easier to judge where she is really at in her career.
I really think Mirai was on the right track this season, she was getting a little better with every competition, and it's a damn shame that the flu had to hit her at this time. She just didn't have the energy to get those jumps around last night. I so hope this doesn't discourage her from continuing if she still loves to skate and compete.
YES! I agree with all of this. I am sure that the one 3Lo was UR and the other worthy of <<, but the 2A+3T was squeaky clean (looked the same as it did at NHK and she got full credit for it there) and the 2nd 3F did not warrant UR.
I have a question. Would withdrawing have been a better option for Mirai? Her placement was one of many disappointments for me at this competition. Was competing even worth this particular heartbreak?
ETA: I haven't read the thread yet so I apologize if this has been mentioned already.
I thought about this too. When people say "flu" it can mean a number of things, ranging from a mild cold symptoms (stuffy nose, sore throat, what's known as common cold) to full on fever, body aches and raking cough. Where was Mirai on this continuum? If she had the real flu with fever, muscle soreness and general misery, WD would have been a good idea. But I don't know how she felt.
I hope so, because she was probably my favorite US lady in 2010 and I think she did have very appealing presentation then. If she can start skating well enough to get her confidence back, then I think the performance quality should return.
I think she was really out of it...she was skating through the motions. There's even a point in the program where's she going into her 2nd 3F and you see her teeter and wobble even though she's just gliding forward. Ugh.
Why do skaters always seem to be sick anyway? It's always something. Don't they get flu shots and take vitamin C and wash their hands regularly to minimize germs?
It doesn't matter at all what it looked like to you with a naked eye.
The fact that I haven't been to Australia doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
If the under-rotation is more than 1/4, then a jump receives <, it's as simple as that.
It's an objective and measurable assessment and there's no conspiracy there. Technical panels always give the skaters the benefit of doubt and never apply those deductions unless they are absolutely sure that the underrotation was over 1/4.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think they now use an advanced computer program to compute the rotations as well.
I'm right there with you.
And I only saw her skate the 1 time, but my recollection is that she stepped out and put a hand down. I was surprised to see she was deducted for a fall.
^^^THIS! Whole post!
I thought the Jenny Kirk/Aunt Joyce/Timothy Goebbel video was a hoot! I agreed with many of their points regarding placements and scoring but not some others - for example I don't agree that Ashley would have been a perennial pewter medallist skating against Kwan, Cohen, etc. not that Ashley isn't an artist. She's grown by leaps and bounds performance-wise. I did think many of Dave's comments were hysterical and I loved the math analogy.
She had none until after she landed her jumps. After that she had a weird on again/off again smile plastered on her face. And I say again-she did not project, she did not perform, and that marching bit in her choreo looked ridiculous. It did not belong in a senior program. Still-she did deserve to win the FS based on those 7 jumps if Ashley was going to win the title overall with 2 falls.
What are they saying? Are they tweeting directly to USFS?
I'm sure they do. But they are traveling a great deal, training hard (and often at altitude), and competing in a winter sport. Even people with flu shots get sometimes sick in the winter, with colds, if nothing else.
I am sure that, track-and-field athletes, for example, get sick in the winter too, but you don't hear about it so much because their peak competitive season is in the spring and summer.
Flu shots are hardly a guarantee. Stress is known to reduce the immune system's function.
Well, Mirai didn't go into detail but she did say she had the flu on twitter and apparently she was coughing so much at the SP press conference and maybe not feeling 100% that she was moved ahead of Agnes as far as taking questions so that she could leave early-which she did. I think it was all just bad timing. To me she was really on the upswing, getting a little better with each competition.
I don't know for sure if it's going directly to USFS but their handle on twitter is "US Figure Skating" and it appears to be their official account. Just alot of angry rants about Mirai's scores, scores in general and placements. Don't know if they're still up though.
ETA: I checked and some remarks still seem to be on the site.
USFS re-tweeted one of Mirai's tweets:
Mirai Nagasu ‏@mirai_nagasu
So grateful to everyone who supported me last night thank you.
Retweeted by U.S. Figure Skating
A few 'annoyed about Mirai and/or the scores/placements in general' responses to a couple of USFS's tweets from two nights ago:
U.S. Figure Skating ‏@USFigureSkating
We'll be back tomorrow for the men's free and the Smucker's Skating Spectacular! #Omaha2013
@USFigureSkating You overscored everyone but Mirai
mark w ‏@memd92
@USFigureSkating Ok great but try to make it look like a real sport this time.
@USFigureSkating today's ladies judging was a bit odd
Melissa Wisdom ‏@divinem1
@kimber1235 @USFigureSkating I agree and do feel that Mirai's scores were unreasonably low.
U.S. Figure Skating ‏@USFigureSkating
Yesterday it was @GraceEGold...Who will provide today's #Moment? #Omaha2013
mark w ‏@memd92
@USFigureSkating Gee, I wonder who the judges will screw over today? #Omaha2013
And a yet another chipper tweet from USFS:
U.S. Figure Skating ‏@USFigureSkating
Hopefully watching the skating tonight makes you want to learn to skate yourself! Visit http://www.usfsa.org and find a club!
@USFigureSkating certain girls who skated tonight don't seem to think so
Antoinette Aubert ‏@SkateyFan
@USFigureSkating watching skating tonight makes me want to throw away my skates and resign from my club
mark w ‏@memd92
@USFigureSkating You can not be serious with this tweet. Your sport is a fraud!
@USFigureSkating Nope, it makes me think all of the competitions are rigged. Tonight did not clean up the image of figure skating.
@USFigureSkating Apparently a sport that rigs competitions, unfairly penalizes contestants and decides the winners! No thanks!
There were more but you get the general idea.
I really liked Courtney Hicks skating; also impressed by other young ladies (Gao, Siraj, Cesario, Wang, etc.). I saw Wang skate live at the nationals last year. Gao has been around, and should have scored better. The results did appear rigged - from the way the skaters were scored. USFSA should stop this farce and either judge objectively, or do what some other feds do- don't pick the world team from the results of the US nationals alone. Intentionally marking a certain skater high and/or a certain skater low just confirms for non-fans that FS is not really a sport.
I completely agree with your suggestions for the USA fed.
What did you like about Hicks? I thought her free skate was the most boring she has done in a while and wouldn't get noticed if we weren't desperately looking at her great jumps. Too bad there's no effective expression. I think she won't get much better. Ashley improved in this area, but she was being packaged poorly. Remember when Ashley used to barrel toward us and try 3-3s. She needed someone like Nicks who focused her effort on the whole picture. Courtney seems about as good as she's going to get at the beautiful part of skating. This is just my opinion, but I don't see edges, the arms, or anything good happening with the music.
You can't make such a serious accusation if you don't have anything to back it up with.