Where to for Mirai Nagasu now?

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by lahaa968, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    There was only one two foot that program if I remember correctly...

    Anyways, does anyone else think the 1 point deduction for the "fall" on the flip was warranted? I don't think that should have been counted as a fall. Sasha did something very similar at the 2006 Olympics and she didn't get a deduction for it. Some of the downgrades also were harsh. I don't think the triple toe on the 2A-3T should have been given a <. But it really did seem she just didn't have the stamina to keep on going in that program.
  2. jamcan

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    I thought Grace looked a little first timerish. She went out and got the job done! Awesome stuff and a focused individual, especially being in the top flight at your first Sr Nationals eh? ;) lol . Once she gets some assignments under her belt she'll be comfortable enough to project I'd think.
  3. Skittl1321

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    I think step 1 for Mirai should be to not have the flu. Then it will be easier to judge where she is really at in her career.
  4. centerstage01

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    I really think Mirai was on the right track this season, she was getting a little better with every competition, and it's a damn shame that the flu had to hit her at this time. She just didn't have the energy to get those jumps around last night. I so hope this doesn't discourage her from continuing if she still loves to skate and compete.
  5. lahaa968

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    YES! I agree with all of this. I am sure that the one 3Lo was UR and the other worthy of <<, but the 2A+3T was squeaky clean (looked the same as it did at NHK and she got full credit for it there) and the 2nd 3F did not warrant UR.
  6. FiveRinger

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    I have a question. Would withdrawing have been a better option for Mirai? Her placement was one of many disappointments for me at this competition. Was competing even worth this particular heartbreak?

    ETA: I haven't read the thread yet so I apologize if this has been mentioned already.
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  7. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    I thought about this too. When people say "flu" it can mean a number of things, ranging from a mild cold symptoms (stuffy nose, sore throat, what's known as common cold) to full on fever, body aches and raking cough. Where was Mirai on this continuum? If she had the real flu with fever, muscle soreness and general misery, WD would have been a good idea. But I don't know how she felt.
  8. Susan M

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    I hope so, because she was probably my favorite US lady in 2010 and I think she did have very appealing presentation then. If she can start skating well enough to get her confidence back, then I think the performance quality should return.
  9. lahaa968

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    I think she was really out of it...she was skating through the motions. There's even a point in the program where's she going into her 2nd 3F and you see her teeter and wobble even though she's just gliding forward. Ugh. :(
  10. Cheylana

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    Why do skaters always seem to be sick anyway? It's always something. Don't they get flu shots and take vitamin C and wash their hands regularly to minimize germs? :confused:
  11. Ziggy

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    It doesn't matter at all what it looked like to you with a naked eye.

    The fact that I haven't been to Australia doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

    If the under-rotation is more than 1/4, then a jump receives <, it's as simple as that.

    It's an objective and measurable assessment and there's no conspiracy there. Technical panels always give the skaters the benefit of doubt and never apply those deductions unless they are absolutely sure that the underrotation was over 1/4.

    Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think they now use an advanced computer program to compute the rotations as well.
  12. Coco

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    I'm right there with you.

    And I only saw her skate the 1 time, but my recollection is that she stepped out and put a hand down. I was surprised to see she was deducted for a fall.
  13. Sasha'sSpins

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    ^^^THIS! Whole post!

    I thought the Jenny Kirk/Aunt Joyce/Timothy Goebbel video was a hoot! :watch: I agreed with many of their points regarding placements and scoring but not some others - for example I don't agree that Ashley would have been a perennial pewter medallist skating against Kwan, Cohen, etc. not that Ashley isn't an artist. She's grown by leaps and bounds performance-wise. I did think many of Dave's comments were hysterical and I loved the math analogy.

    :EVILLE:
    She had none until after she landed her jumps. After that she had a weird on again/off again smile plastered on her face. And I say again-she did not project, she did not perform, and that marching bit in her choreo looked ridiculous. It did not belong in a senior program. Still-she did deserve to win the FS based on those 7 jumps if Ashley was going to win the title overall with 2 falls.
  14. aftershocks

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    What are they saying? Are they tweeting directly to USFS?
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    I'm sure they do. But they are traveling a great deal, training hard (and often at altitude), and competing in a winter sport. Even people with flu shots get sometimes sick in the winter, with colds, if nothing else.

    I am sure that, track-and-field athletes, for example, get sick in the winter too, but you don't hear about it so much because their peak competitive season is in the spring and summer.
  16. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    Flu shots are hardly a guarantee. Stress is known to reduce the immune system's function.
  17. Sasha'sSpins

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    Well, Mirai didn't go into detail but she did say she had the flu on twitter and apparently she was coughing so much at the SP press conference and maybe not feeling 100% that she was moved ahead of Agnes as far as taking questions so that she could leave early-which she did. I think it was all just bad timing. To me she was really on the upswing, getting a little better with each competition.
    I don't know for sure if it's going directly to USFS but their handle on twitter is "US Figure Skating" and it appears to be their official account. Just alot of angry rants about Mirai's scores, scores in general and placements. Don't know if they're still up though.

    ETA: I checked and some remarks still seem to be on the site.
    https://twitter.com/USFigureSkating

    USFS re-tweeted one of Mirai's tweets:
    Mirai Nagasu &#8207;@mirai_nagasu
    So grateful to everyone who supported me last night:) thank you.
    Retweeted by U.S. Figure Skating


    Aw.

    A few 'annoyed about Mirai and/or the scores/placements in general' responses to a couple of USFS's tweets from two nights ago:

    U.S. Figure Skating &#8207;@USFigureSkating
    We'll be back tomorrow for the men's free and the Smucker's Skating Spectacular! #Omaha2013


    Kim &#8207;@kimber1235
    @USFigureSkating You overscored everyone but Mirai

    mark w &#8207;@memd92
    @USFigureSkating Ok great but try to make it look like a real sport this time.

    Amanda &#8207;@Amandamb719
    @USFigureSkating today's ladies judging was a bit odd

    Melissa Wisdom &#8207;@divinem1
    @kimber1235 @USFigureSkating I agree and do feel that Mirai's scores were unreasonably low.


    USFS tweet:

    U.S. Figure Skating &#8207;@USFigureSkating
    Yesterday it was @GraceEGold...Who will provide today's #Moment? #Omaha2013


    Janiece &#8207;@feelingamazing
    @USFigureSkating me


    mark w &#8207;@memd92
    @USFigureSkating Gee, I wonder who the judges will screw over today? #Omaha2013


    And a yet another chipper tweet from USFS:

    U.S. Figure Skating &#8207;@USFigureSkating
    Hopefully watching the skating tonight makes you want to learn to skate yourself! Visit http://www.usfsa.org and find a club!


    J.j. &#8207;@realdetective
    @USFigureSkating certain girls who skated tonight don't seem to think so :(


    Antoinette Aubert &#8207;@SkateyFan
    @USFigureSkating watching skating tonight makes me want to throw away my skates and resign from my club


    mark w &#8207;@memd92
    @USFigureSkating You can not be serious with this tweet. Your sport is a fraud!


    Jon &#8207;@JKepko
    @USFigureSkating Nope, it makes me think all of the competitions are rigged. Tonight did not clean up the image of figure skating.


    Miko &#8207;@MikoFabulous
    @USFigureSkating Apparently a sport that rigs competitions, unfairly penalizes contestants and decides the winners! No thanks!


    There were more but you get the general idea.
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  18. Vash01

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    I really liked Courtney Hicks skating; also impressed by other young ladies (Gao, Siraj, Cesario, Wang, etc.). I saw Wang skate live at the nationals last year. Gao has been around, and should have scored better. The results did appear rigged - from the way the skaters were scored. USFSA should stop this farce and either judge objectively, or do what some other feds do- don't pick the world team from the results of the US nationals alone. Intentionally marking a certain skater high and/or a certain skater low just confirms for non-fans that FS is not really a sport.
  19. TheIronLady

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    I completely agree with your suggestions for the USA fed.

    What did you like about Hicks? I thought her free skate was the most boring she has done in a while and wouldn't get noticed if we weren't desperately looking at her great jumps. Too bad there's no effective expression. I think she won't get much better. Ashley improved in this area, but she was being packaged poorly. Remember when Ashley used to barrel toward us and try 3-3s. She needed someone like Nicks who focused her effort on the whole picture. Courtney seems about as good as she's going to get at the beautiful part of skating. This is just my opinion, but I don't see edges, the arms, or anything good happening with the music.
  20. Ziggy

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    You can't make such a serious accusation if you don't have anything to back it up with.
  21. aftershocks

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    Thanks for your response to my query, Sasha'sSpins.

    Amelie LaCoste's tweet of encouragement to Mirai (posted earlier in this thread) was very kind.


    ETA:
    Or, if Amelie's tweet wasn't mentioned here, I must have read about it in another thread.
  22. AxelAnnie

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    IMO Mirai's major problem (under-rotations aside) is that she HASthat fabulous It factor.....that indescribable bit you can't teach and you can't learn. You either have it or you don't. You know, the one you can't keep your eyes off.
    Call it showmanship, natural spark, the ability to completely own and fill up the ice by standing still. She just doesn't use it. Makes her seem rather like she would prefer to be somewhere else.

    When she uses it, her skating is sublime, impossible to ignore. But the ice did not light up during either of her skates.

    And when her light is dim it is noticed. Because we know how fabulous she can be when she turns it on, we feel let down and disappointed when she doesn't.

    I think she gets scrutinized on those jumps is that she hasn't fixed them.

    I think maybe it is time to go off to college. Unless something drastic happens, she has a pretty long list of people to get past: Ashley, Agnes, Courtney, Gracie....and if the skate g-ds are kind, Alissa.
  23. AxelAnnie

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    Just curious, but why do you say she is a good as she will get at the beautiful part of skating?
  24. aftershocks

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    ^^ Yes, good point because I recall that Angela Nikidinov was a very accomplished skater who aside from her textbook layback spin positions and good jump technique never really grabbed my attention or my heart. That changed however after Angela bonded with coach Elena Tcherkasskaia who guided Angela to find the sublime artistry she possessed within, and the courage to express herself more fully on the ice.

    It might be helpful for Courtney if someone encouraged her to slow down a bit and stop rushing everything. She does seem to have a dynamic personality and a lively spirit to go along with her impressive jumps. A big drawback for me in watching Courtney is that she could have been skating to anything. The music seemed to be trying to catch up with her throughout the entire program, but she left it in the dust, or more accurately, ignored it.
  25. kwanatic

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    ^^Courtney's skating definitely bugs me...she has as much grace as a tank. Her jumps scrape the rafters and that's a great thing, but she often looks unstable and a little all-over-the-place when she skates. She's clunky, very unrefined and not an aesthetically pleasing skater to watch (bad lines and lack of extension).

    But all she needs is someone who will rein her in and slow her down, smooth out her movements and teach her to really listen to the music. She doesn't have to be a pwetty pwincess type skater but a bulldozer type skater won't work either. She's made a wonderful comeback given where she was this time last year and to place 4th in her first senior nationals is a great thing. The judges obviously like her (which is crucial in US figure skating now) so as long as she improves she'll be fine.

    As for Mirai, I think she just had bad luck. If anyone listened to her at the SP press conference you could tell how sick she was. They actually had to let her take questions first so she could get off of the stage b/c she was coughing during everyone's questions. That kind of congestion messes with your breathing and zaps your energy. She was able to fight through for the SP but I knew the FS would be an issue.

    I think if she'd been healthy she would have skated much better. It's sad the judges didn't bother to help her out the way they helped nearly everyone else at the top that night. Given Mirai's skate I figured she may come in 3rd or 4th...but to knock her all the way down to 7th? If the judging had been fair and even that night, I could have accepted those scores without question. However, when I look at the way the judges maneuvered Gracie and Ashley to the top by padding their scores I get really upset. Why didn't they extend the same courtesy to Mirai?

    She had a strong season on the GP, posted the highest international score of any of the other ladies (sans Ashley) and it was clear she was on the upswing, as evident by that amazing SP she turned in. Why not give her the opportunity to keep going? Because the USFSA has their eyes on their two main candidates for promotion for 2014 and Mirai is nowhere on that list...
  26. Marco

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    re: Hicks

    And she is still somewhat coached by Nicks. If he can't fix her feet, I don't think anyone else can.
  27. Marco

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    re: Nagasu

    Is there another international which she can be sent to in a month or two to show her worth? She has worked too hard to end her season like this. And with her placement at Nationals she is going to be on the fence again re: GP assignments next season.

    Having said that, when was her flu supposed to be? She looked great in the run through feed and in the short program.
  28. Sylvia

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    Hicks has switched to Jere Michael and Alex Chang - they coach the very elegant junior Amanda Gelb.

    I hope Nagasu will appreciate the improvements she made this year and continue her progress into next season. She is currently #10 on the Seasons Best total scores list, so should be able to get 1 GP assignment next season based on the current selection rules.
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    She coughed her way through the entire press conference after the short and sounded congested. It's possible that was the early stage and she was in the 'getting sick' phase of the flu. I'm not sure which flu strain she had, but the one going around my office drains you of energy to the point where people logged in from home are sometimes told to take a day off since they're not being all that productive. I can't even imagine what trying to do triple jumps would be like if she had the same thing.
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  30. demetriosj

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    Yep, Frank still has a lot of influence with the judges.....
  31. Andofanatic

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    if the U.S gets that 3rd spot back she can fight for a spot on the Olympic team behind the shoo ins Wagner and Gold, although Agnes is a shoo in for that other spot then if she is half decent at Nationals next year. Otherwise see ya later kid.
  32. Marco

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    Thanks re: Hicks. I swear I read that she still takes from Nicks once a week.

    Re: Nagasu, given this season's craziness with her nearly not having a second GP assignment, I was hoping she would place high enough to have two. And she deserves to end her season with some confidence. This is the second season in a roll she is ending her season at Nationals and it can't be good for confidence, especially since she was known tto have self esteem issues.
  33. iarispiralllyof

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    I am so sad for her right now.
    I wish her well.
  34. Susan M

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    Yes there are still some small events with senior competitions. There is also the World Team Trophy in April. Has the USFS announced the skaters for that yet?

    If she was as sick as it sounds, maybe she should have withdrawn after the SP. It would have made it a lot easier for the USFS to give her some help standing 2nd after the SP. As it is now, based on final placements, it would be hard to pass over so many other skaters.
  35. Sylvia

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    Marco, I've copied over and replied to your question in the general U.S. Ladies thread: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...al-into-2013&p=3820595&viewfull=1#post3820595

    USFS usually waits until after Worlds to name the WTT team. USFS' spring assignments are primarily for developmental purposes (to give a first international experience to JGP-eligible skaters next season). Abbott and Czisny were sent to Challenge Cup in The Hague as a pre-Worlds warmup last year but that was unusual.

    It showed guts for Nagasu to have competed her FS and I admire her for doing it.
  36. os168

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    Any updates on Mirai yet? Totally gutted for her, 3 years in a row now... is it time to hang up her boots once and for all? I really hope not

    Yet how can the lack of funding and obvious federation disinterest (& even biases) would surely sap anyone's spirit. This is a cruel cruel sport, never mind what she brought great honour to the US ladies during the Olympics. I felt like having such a weird withdraw syndromes right now. The double dumping of Mirai and Jeremy is too much for me emotionally. Poor Caroline. Liza in 3rd from Europeans is not helping. Sigh...!! :(
  37. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Nagasu received Team B envelope funding this season and will remain in Team B next season due to her medaling at NHK Trophy.
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    Thanks Sylvia, is this an upgrade or down grade from her last year's funding?
  39. Sasha'sSpins

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    Well that's good. Better than nothing at all.
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    Whoever picked that music for Mirai's LP must have been smokin' something. Please give her something energetic.