When to buy skates

Discussion in 'Moves In The Field' started by Sarah, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. Sarah

    Sarah Active Member

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    So the title says it all. I'm an adult just started learn to skate classes and am really enjoying myself. I'm starting my second 6 week session this week (this tells you how new I am--6 weeks of skating so far). I don't want to get skates that I'm going to replace right away, but at the same time, I hate the rental skates. There's one pair that I can tolerate at best, one pair that hurt while I skate, and one pair that I cause my feet to cramp up the whole time I skate and seem to leave my feet hurting for a few hours after I'm done skating. I seem to rotate through these skates (2 different models) each week.

    Anyway, with my feet hurting and 4 rentals left on my card, my question is do I just deal with it until I progress far enough to justify buying skates or do I buy a pair sooner rather than later. In addition, what would be recommended for a beginning adult? There is a pro shop and I can ask questions there too, but thought I'd start here.

    Right now I'm in Pre-Alpha II but am doing the following:

    forward swizzles
    backwards swizzles
    backwards wiggles/skating
    backwards 2 foot glides from swizzles
    forward 1 foot glides on each foot
    2 foot snowplow stops from forward glides
    skating into a dip
    forward half swizzle pumps
    2 foot turn from standstill (each direction)
    started stoking from t-position
    started 2 foot turns while moving (not overly successful so far...)

    So not a lot yet, but I'm just starting out. Anyway, advice regarding skates would be appreciated.
     
  2. Johnny_Fever

    Johnny_Fever Well-Known Member

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    If you think you're in it for the long haul, buy some. Stock Reidells should be fine. With gold figure, freestyle and dance tests, I'm still using stock Reidells.
     
  3. maatTheViking

    maatTheViking Now ubering Machida's hair

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    I pretty quickly got some stock Reidell (Bronze medallion, think they don't make them anymore), got a mid-level one. The difference is huge, even when doing small stuff - I don't think I would have ever learned backwards x-overs in rentals.

    If you are really enjoying it, and as an adult our feet don't grow, so if you take care of them you can use them for years.

    I stopped LTS when I got pregnant, and even with mini-viking being a year, it is hard to find time to get on the ice - but the skates are there waiting, and I am looking forward to him being old enough to take LTS, so I can take the adult class along side :)

    I think for the money (I *think* it was around $250) I paid, it was a good investment, given that I can use them for recreational skating for years to come.
     
  4. skateycat

    skateycat Minecraft Widow

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    Sounds to me like it's time for you to get your own skates - whee!

    Back when I lived in the same town as a rink, I got my first pair at about the level where you are at now. My first pair were some Jacksons that always seemed too stiff. My second pair were Reidells, (around 200ish, maybe the same ones maatTheViking had), and I remember that I had a much better sense of control over my skating than with the Jacksons. I could tell when I was doing something right with my 3-turns.
     
  5. Johnny_Fever

    Johnny_Fever Well-Known Member

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    What's a good entry level blade? I'm still using my Pattern 99s from the old days, but I've worn them down to the soft metal. I need some new blades.
     
  6. ioana

    ioana Well-Known Member

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    Pattern 99's are fairly advanced blades now. Depending on what your do (any double jumps, high moves), you might need a high-end blade. I loved Coronation Aces for a good advanced beginner/mid level blade.
     
  7. overedge

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    I have always had Coronation Aces, and there are national-level skaters at my club who have done everything up to triples in them.
     
  8. Johnny_Fever

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    Good advice. Actually I haven't jumped in years and don't intend to. I do dance though, so maybe I should get dance blades.
     
  9. Synchkat

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    I love my dance blades. Once you get them you won't go back to freeskate blades because they are just so different. And if you are only going to dance why not get the blades.
     
  10. Johnny_Fever

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    Aren't they shorter than freestyle blades and have less toe pick? Not that I ever use the toe pick, its just a security thing in case I'm going backwards and need to stop in a hurry.
     
  11. LilJen

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    Sarah, make sure you get boots that fit YOUR feet. Riedells aren't for everyone--they tend to run narrow (although they do come in different widths and split widths, if needed). Other reputable and popular brands include Jackson and SP-Teri.

    You should also ask your coach for suggestions. He/she knows your abilities well and would probably have some good recommendations.
     
  12. Doubletoe

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    Ditto what LilJen said. It is extremely important that your skates fit like a glove, meaning no extra room anywhere, but also not pinching or pressing in anywhere. Wear thin socks or stockings for your fitting and also when you skate. Width is as important as length, and they need to be the right width for you in both the front of the foot (the "ball") and the heel. Do not compromise, even if it's more expensive to get skates that fit perfectly.

    I would also highly recommend buying a pair of gel ankle sleeves to protect your ankles from bruising and lacebite as you break the new boots in. They are sold under the brands "Bunga Pads" and "Silippos" at most skate shops and also on Amazon.com.

    I suffered through two pairs of new boots before I found out about the ankle sleeves and I suffered through 3 pairs of skates before I finally got boots that fit correctly in the ball and heel. I wish my boot fitter had been more focused on the comfort of my feet and not so focused on saving me money or getting me the boots that were more likely to be in stock!
     
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  13. Sarah

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    Thanks everyone.

    I'm going to go ahead and get skates and hopefully the right skates. One of the first things mentioned to me this week was if I was considering getting my own skates soon. So I have the name of someone to ask for and hopefully we can find something that fits. The coach did say that he's good about making sure things fit because otherwise people comeback with complaints which ends up with more work than finding the right pair the first time would be.

    My feet are currently alternating between pain and numbness from this weeks rental skates. Considering I took them off a half hour ago, not good. So I'll head over to look at skates during my lunch tomorrow or Friday. Nice thing about the rink being at the same place as the job.
     
  14. RonC

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    Can anyone recommend a good website to buy skates?

    Looking at Jackson or Edea.

    Thanks
     
  15. Bunny Hop

    Bunny Hop Perpetually learning Dutch Waltz

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    When my husband started skating we got him his own skates before he even started lessons. Rental skates are evil. So it's never too early to buy them in my opinion. Worst case if you lose interest is that you sell them on ebay.
    MK Professional or Coronation Ace. They're essentially the same blade, just different brands. They're even made in the same factory. Reasonably priced and durable.
    Yes, dance blades are shorter, which is why I am not interested in getting them, despite only doing dance. Husband now has dance blades and I can confirm that the toe pick is smaller (although it varies between the different blade brands/types) and not using them to stop when going backwards has been part of the learning curve for him!
     
  16. Sarah

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    So I went over to the pro shop during lunch and now have new skates. I ended up with riedells (133 TS) which should work for me for the time being. Felt it was a good compromise between the cheapest model that I'd probably progress out of in 6 months or a more expensive model that might be a little too stiff for the time being.

    The only issue we had is that my feet are 2 completely different sizes. My right foot was a 5.5 and my left was a 5. There was no way my right foot was fitting in a 5, but the 5.5 felt OK on my left foot. Right foot was a nice a snug everywhere while the left foot was snug everywhere, but had more room at the toe (if that makes sense?). My heal and foot weren't sliding around when I was walking around.

    Anyway, I'm going to try and skate at a public session at the other local rink this weekend. I don't want my first time in these skates to be during my lesson. The shop owner mentioned that during my first class/skate in them to take them off briefly after a half hour (lesson part) and take a few minutes and put them back on for the rest of the skate.

    I have to say, finding skates wasn't as hard as finding tall boots. I'm just hoping breaking in won't be as painful, but I'm expecting it might be...
     
  17. Bunny Hop

    Bunny Hop Perpetually learning Dutch Waltz

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    I have the exact same issue - one foot is a 7 and the other a 6.5, but my boots (also Riedells) are size 7. I use an adhesive heel liner (you can buy them at the chemist) in the boot on the smaller foot to stop heel slippage, but I've honestly never found having one slightly too big boot to be a problem at the level at which I skate. It would be different if I jumped, but as a low level non-jumper I've never had any issues with feeling like my foot was slipping around in the boot, apart from usually needing to re-lace once after a few laps of the ice. I'm then good for the rest of the session.
     
  18. Doubletoe

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    As your boots break in and loosen up, you may feel like you have a little too much space inside the boot of your smaller foot. If so, you can try inserting a custom footbed, as it will take up a little space and help keep your foot from moving around. Superfeet and Sole are two brands I know of offhand. I use the "Sole Sport" insoles in my skates and they hardly take up any room at all, so if you want to make your boot fit more snugly, you could order a thicker model. http://www.yoursole.com/products/footbeds/
     
  19. LilJen

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    I wouldn't recommend buying skates over the web, unless you know EXACTLY what fits and you're buying a replacement for what already fits. Find a reputable fitter and try boots on in person!
     
  20. Sarah

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    Thanks for the advice! I'll definitely consider that as I skate in them more. I skated in them Saturday. I really like the tight feeling so my smaller foot will likely need something. Some things were super easy in the skates and yet other things... Stopping just didn't work. With time though...
     
  21. AndyWarhol

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    i understand what you are saying, however, its over $1000 cheaper for me to buy online than in a rink pro shop, so, I would be likely to try a boot on in the store (if they have it.. my rinks shop range is limited) then order it online.
     
  22. Willowway

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    Sarah - perfectly normal. For most folks stopping on a newly sharpened blade ranges from challenging to 'not happening.' As they dull a bit, you'll get your stop back. With your prior rentals, you're used to very dull blades so this all will be a new blade experience. Each of us has a level of sharp he or she likes - I tend to like them a little on the dull side (and rarely have them sharpened but 'stoned' more often instead), some skaters love sharp, and there's everything in between. You'll find the spot where you're optimally happy.
     
  23. Sarah

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    I can stop again! We spent a few minutes in the middle of the lesson stopping and I've got it back. Overall though, everything was just easier today. I guess I just wasn't fighting the skates. Worked on edges, started crossovers, etc.
     
  24. Willowway

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    Isn't it great, that moment when you know it's back!? Every sharpening is a lesson in "two steps back" and then you have the moment when your blades belong to you again instead of having a life entirely their own.
     
  25. Rukia

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    I got my skates sharpened, and while I lost my ability to T-stop very well, my forward inside and outside edges were spectacular. Everything did feel very slippy though comparatively.
     
  26. FigureSpins

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    If the skater gets their blades sharpened regularly, there is no "two steps back." The problem is letting them get so dull that you can tell you need a sharpening; by the time that happens, the blades have been dull for several on-ice hours and the skater has changed their technique to accommodate the dullness.

    Get them sharpened after 15-20 hours, even if they're not slipping or sliding, and you won't have that "can't stop" feeling. Why waste time waiting for them to get dull again so you can perform - keep 'em sharp!


    As the old adage goes, "do as I say, not as I do." When I wait too long between sharpenings, the only stop that works is a t-stop. Snowplows, hockey stops and especially backward snowplows, are difficult at best; my one-foot hockey stop and tango stops are impossible for at least 3 hours.
     
  27. Johnny_Fever

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    Someone once told me how quickly stopping wears your blades down. I haven't stopped since. I'm too cheap to stop.
     
  28. purple skates

    purple skates Shadow dancing

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    A good sharpener is worth his/her weight in gold. Mine keeps a little card on all his clients, so if I don't like something one time (too sharp, etc) he adjusts the next time. I got new blades, and it really changed alot of the feel and he was able to accomodate me on my second sharpening based on my history plus what I told him about what I didn't like about the first shrpening on the new blade.

    He also does something to them so that stopping etc is never an issue on newly sharpened blades. I <3 that man. :lol:
     
  29. Diane Mars

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    When reading all of you, I think that I'm really fortunate having my skate shop 20 minutes driving from home, so I'm never "in between sharpenings", because as soon as I notice it should be done, I skate for another session, and if my feeling is the same, I directly drive to the skate shop in order to get my blades sharpened !
     
  30. Johnny_Fever

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    My blades have no life left in them. The next time, the skate shop will be sharpening leather.
     
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