What does Jeremy need to do for a comeback?

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  1. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    No I am not judge and jury. The judges who gave him scores that put him out of the GP final despite that you call improved performances, and that placed him 4th at his own Nationals after an off free skate are judge and jury. And as you even conceded he is on the way down with them, the ultimate judge and jury.

    Not making the GP final doesnt mean much if you rebound by doing well at Worlds. Missing the GP final in the weakest season for mens skating in decades and missing the World team altogether in possibly the weakest year of U.S mens skating in decades is not possible to sugarcoat though for someone like Abbott.
     
  2. jlai

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    I have always wished for Jeremy to have more than a bronze at 4CC which was 07. How about a win? ;)
     
  3. blue_idealist

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    I saw Jeremy Abbott on twitter about an hour before the mens' competition started today, and I thought "what is he doing on twitter? won't that distract him?" so I think the idea of having more tunnel vision might be on the right track.
     
  4. centerpt1

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    I don't think twitter is the problem.

    Whatever is going on between the boots/blades/feet to brain is the issue. Does he really have feet/boot issues, or does he just think he does. Until that gets sorted out, the rest doesn't matter.
     
  5. jlai

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    Interacting with fans online will inadvertantly expose you to opportunitis where you end up reading what has been said about you, Links to articles, posts, gossip and even fsu (and we know he sometimes reads that). JMHO

    Jeremy himself said once he used to do what he
    s been told and now he lives on his own, it is understandably very hard to go from do-what-youare-told to doityourself. But then other skaters follow certain strategies in general(not reading what's said about you, intereact with fans at the right times, focus on your skating, don't watch your competitor, pace yourself in the program by allowing breaks, getting into top form in mid season, etc etc etc), and it wouldn
    t hurt to use the same strategies.
     
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  6. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

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    I'm not ready to consign Jeremy to the ashes.
    It seems obvious that he had boot problems which are still an issue.
    I can't imagine how difficult it would be to do the necessary content if your feet were uncomfortable and you felt unstable on the ice

    That alone would undermine anyone's confidence.
    Let's see what happens at 4CC.

    His programs are mature, and beautiful.
    I look forward to seeing them again.
     
  7. Frau Muller

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    Well, he's still Tweeting and happy-sounding. Just got this one saying that he's falling asleep on Alex Shibutani's shoulder during the flight back home! Earlier, he offered Congrats to the guys who outskated him.

    http://twitter.com/jeremyabbottpcf

    Good for Jeremy.
     
  8. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

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    I totally agree! :respec:

    Funny how some are even questioning whether he really had/has a boot problem or not. Yeah, he's just making mistakes on his spins on purpose. :rolleyes: I've NEVER seen Jeremy have the problems he's had this season on his spins before. Normally in the past, he's a very solid spinner with respectable centering and speed. This season with the boot problems, his spins have been slower and not as steady, and he's been losing levels on them. That's not typical Jeremy, and I really do believe he has serious equipment issues this season. No psychologist can amend boot problems.

    Back to as you were, as some know what's going on with Jeremy apparently better than he does, so it seems. :2faced: At least this thread is where it belongs - in the TRASH can. :blah::shuffle:

    He did a 3flip+3toe. If you're gonna trash talk, you could at least get your facts straight.
     
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  9. portia

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    Although he went to Finlandia and 4CC when he was 21, Jeremy didn't make his WC debut until 2008 when he was 22 years old. I wonder if part of the reasons for Jeremy's inconsistencies can be attributed to the fact that he was exposed to Sr. level international judging so late. Especially when you compare him to likes of Dai, Brian, and Stephane, all of whom had world medals before they were even 22 years of age. It's so weird that Jeremy, Dai, and Stephane are all the same age/ Brian a year older. Both Dai and Brian probably won't skate in Sochi; but Jeremy is regarded as the "next generation" of U.S. men.

    IDK if Twitter and the pressure of being the reigning U.S. champ messed with Jeremy's psyche. Twitter and other social media can be very addictive, to the point of being disruptive in some people's lives. I'm not suggesting that this is the case with Jeremy, but it might be a good idea to not tweet right before your skates. Remember when Peggy Fleming made a big deal chastising Michelle Kwan when Kwan called Peggy from Nagano to wish her good health after the breast cancer diagnosis? Peggy was incredulous that Michelle wasn't solely concentrating on Olys and Olys alone.

    At 25, Jeremy has more life experience than those 19 year-olds, not to mention he has had more opportunities to be tested as far as mental toughness is concerned. So it's rather troubling that boot problems aside, Jeremy hasn't been able to put together a competition worthy of his true talents and capabilities. Sports psychologist is a very good idea, so are attempting quads or having consistent quads.

    OT, but maybe the USFSA is trying to expose youngsters like Dornbush and Miner to Sr. level international judges in order for them to avoid having the same problems as Abbott.
     
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  10. centerpt1

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    How can boot problems last this long?
    If he's not comfortable in his boots now...what difference will 2 weeks at 4CC make? He'll bomb there, too.
    He's a much better skater than this.
    Is he contracted to this boot company? Surely it isn't good press for them to have him so unlike himself.
    The spins are key- he's always been a great spinner- now this.
    He also looks really unconditioned out there. Does he also have health issues?
    Why hasn't he or his team got this under control?
    I don't want him to become another Johnny- all that skill and talent gone to waste.
     
  11. museksk8r

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    I've known of skaters with boot problems so bad to the point that it hampered their entire season. It's not always a quick fix. I don't know completely what is going on with Jeremy either, just that he did/does have boot problems, and more than anything, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I would want the same treatment if I were in his skates.
     
  12. jlai

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    I don't remember anyone questioning boot problems. That said, Jeremy had issues with spin levels last season too when he had no boot issues, and I actually don't see his spins as noticeably worse this season. In fact, that upright flying spin looked good to me, level 4 or not.

    Very few skaters get to win championships under perfect conditions. If they are not struggling against injury, it will be boot issues, lack of sleep, or some other thing that stands in the way. Skating your best despite despite less-than-perfect conditions is part of overcoming obstacles and problem solving--and I'd like to see Jeremy improve in that aspect.

    And Jeremy is 25. Despite what others think, he's an adult and is not as fragile as he looks -- he can take some constructive criticism without any one jumping to his defense. :)
     
  13. centerpt1

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    So what can we expect at 4CC? Not enough time, I'm guessing to resolve the problems. So why send him there so soon to fail?
     
  14. Kasey

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    Land his jumps when it counts.

    Yep, that should do it.
     
  15. neptune

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    Well, he's certainly due for better results, and I'm sure he'll be very motivated to skate well at 4CC. In addition, he won't have that much pressure on him.

    Unless he's spent all his non-skating time playing video games. ;)
     
  16. stjeaskategym

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    I don't think Abbott has to do anything differently. He just had a rough skate-- happens to everyone. A number of things could have caused it, the most important being that he's human. It's not normal to win three National titles in a row. None of the other skaters at that competition were skating under the pressure that Abbott was. I don't think he helps himself by tweeting the day of competitions either. :lol:

    I would be sending Abbott to Worlds based on his track record, which is dramatically better than Miner's, and based on the fact that he finished with a nearly identical point total to Miner's. But the USFSA doesn't seem to want a new (and in my opinion better and more effective) selection process.
     
  17. chrysanthemum

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    I think Jeremy need:
    1. Right boots: I wish he can resolve the boots issue as soon as possible.
    2. Healthy body: If he has any injury and so on, I hope he will recover as soon as possible.
    3. Luck: I wish him all the best.
    4. Mental toughness: Don’t be upset with a mistake that has already occurred in the middle of a performance. Don’t be scared even if you’re not under ideal condition. Believe in yourself! Be aggressive!
    5. Orderly life: I am always worried about him when he tweets at midnight. And he gets sick too many times. He should control his health as much as he can.
    6. Height of lutzs: Jeremy has the great edge of lutzs but his lutzs are generally very low.
    7. To rethink combo jumps: I think the loop combo is not good for him.

    And I think Jeremy has a tendency to cause a meltdown after standing ovation for a previous skater. For example, 2009 NHK FS: no big standing ovation but throwing too many flowers after Johnny; 2009 GPF SP: big standing ovation and throwing too many flowers after Daisuke; Olympic SP: After Evan; and this time: after Ross. He must not be distracted and nervous with a previous skater’s performance and score and a reaction from audience for the previous skater. His main competition is only himself.

    He isn’t a perfect skater but I love Jeremy and his skating very much. I felt even the long program in the nationals was beautiful. I know every athlete has a bad day. I’m sure he will learn from this failure a lot. I always think, if he were smoothly qualified for Nationals in 2006, he might not become such a great skater. I think this experience will make him stronger, like the failure in 2006.

    Good luck, Jeremy! Believe in yourself! You’re one of the best skaters in the world.
     
  18. aliceanne

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    I agree with the posters who say he just had a bad skate. I think he's getting a handle on his nerves and sometimes you are just plain tired after a long competitive season.

    The only thing I think he could do differently is get quads in his programs. The fact that he doesn't attempt them and others do puts enormous pressure on him to skate perfectly. Given his complex choreography (which I love) that is hard to do. COP nothwithstanding, overall impression counts and when a skater looks like they are struggling its got to affect their scores.
     
  19. manleywoman

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    He has put quads in his programs several times.
     
  20. jlai

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    He's had issues with the second half of the long program all season long. It's not just one poor skate. I think this is mid-season, not the end of the season. I'd say his season got cut short if anything.

    ANyway there's nothing he needs to do if he's happy with what he has already achieved. Im merely suggesting things to improve his chances at a world medal. I think world champs manage to skate well despite less-than-ideal conditions--sickness, lack of sleep, injury, boot issues, etc. etc. It's just as much an exercise in overcoming obstacles as skating well.
     
  21. skatesindreams

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    Arrrrgh, I'm still a little traumatized from seeing Jeremy's drop to fourth... live. :( :fragile::drama::fragile: :(

    I think when Jeremy has a rough skate, he's gotta stay in point-gathering mode. Case in point, the level 1 spin after the fall on the lutz. When Evan Lysacek and Jeff Buttle's jumps went to hell, they still made sure to rack up points with the spins and steps instead of allowing biffed jumps to affect those comparatively "easy" elements.
     
  23. manleywoman

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    My personal opinion: his LPs tend to be very complex and introspective. Which if you are a skating fan of the arteests is great. In other words, I love his programs. But I wonder since he does tend to pick more obscure music and tell more complicated stories if it's too hard for many fans and judges to "get" his programs. As much as I don't want to push anyone towards overused music (Turandot/Carmen/Phantom/etc) I wonder if he picked something at least a little less obscure if that would help. THe Life is Beautiful LP is great, but really needs to be skated perfectly to be appreciated by judges.
     
  24. aliceanne

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    He didn't this season, and the others did.
     
  25. Vash01

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    I think the time off from this year's worlds may work for him. He has been competing for a long time. This will allow him to not think about the pressure so much. He can come back strong next season, or he may even want to take one season off, then make a run at making the Olympic team. He should get a solid quad though, in order to stay competitive.
     
  26. judgejudy27

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    He should have produced that performance in a big event the last 2 years when Lysacek was winning. Today it would do nothing against the likes of Patrick Chan skating like he did at Canadians or Takahashi skating to his potential.
     
  27. Sylvia

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    My simple answer: I think that as long as Jeremy stays true to himself as a person and to the "vision" he has for his own skating, he will be just fine. :)
     
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  28. ChibiChibi

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    I think it's probably because he had boots problems this season. I remember reading it somewhere....
     
  29. RobinA

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    To me he comes across as having a nerve problem. He looks like a deer in headlights before the program. He comes out and starts off kind of stiff jumpwise. A couple jumps go well and he's great. He muffs the first or second jump and things go to h*ll in a handbasket. I also think he is a bit undermarked for what he is doing. I mean, Bradley? He seems like a nice guy, but...

    I think in this case Bradley psyched Abbott out with the "two quads" talk when Abbott wasn't doing a quad. All that quad counting at the beginning of the telecast, none of the counted skaters came anywhere near a quad, and you could have bet good money they wouldn't have, as none of them have anywhere consistent quads. Had Abbott skated last, I bet he would have done a whole lot better.
     
  30. Cheylana

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    Well, he did attempt a 4T at Cup of Russia but fell on it. The quad just wasn't working for him this year.