What does Jeremy need to do for a comeback?

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  1. museksk8r

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    I've known of skaters with boot problems so bad to the point that it hampered their entire season. It's not always a quick fix. I don't know completely what is going on with Jeremy either, just that he did/does have boot problems, and more than anything, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I would want the same treatment if I were in his skates.
  2. jlai

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    I don't remember anyone questioning boot problems. That said, Jeremy had issues with spin levels last season too when he had no boot issues, and I actually don't see his spins as noticeably worse this season. In fact, that upright flying spin looked good to me, level 4 or not.

    Very few skaters get to win championships under perfect conditions. If they are not struggling against injury, it will be boot issues, lack of sleep, or some other thing that stands in the way. Skating your best despite despite less-than-perfect conditions is part of overcoming obstacles and problem solving--and I'd like to see Jeremy improve in that aspect.

    And Jeremy is 25. Despite what others think, he's an adult and is not as fragile as he looks -- he can take some constructive criticism without any one jumping to his defense. :)
  3. centerpt1

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    So what can we expect at 4CC? Not enough time, I'm guessing to resolve the problems. So why send him there so soon to fail?
  4. Kasey

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    Land his jumps when it counts.

    Yep, that should do it.
  5. neptune

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    Well, he's certainly due for better results, and I'm sure he'll be very motivated to skate well at 4CC. In addition, he won't have that much pressure on him.

    Unless he's spent all his non-skating time playing video games. ;)
  6. stjeaskategym

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    I don't think Abbott has to do anything differently. He just had a rough skate-- happens to everyone. A number of things could have caused it, the most important being that he's human. It's not normal to win three National titles in a row. None of the other skaters at that competition were skating under the pressure that Abbott was. I don't think he helps himself by tweeting the day of competitions either. :lol:

    I would be sending Abbott to Worlds based on his track record, which is dramatically better than Miner's, and based on the fact that he finished with a nearly identical point total to Miner's. But the USFSA doesn't seem to want a new (and in my opinion better and more effective) selection process.
  7. chrysanthemum

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    I think Jeremy need:
    1. Right boots: I wish he can resolve the boots issue as soon as possible.
    2. Healthy body: If he has any injury and so on, I hope he will recover as soon as possible.
    3. Luck: I wish him all the best.
    4. Mental toughness: Don’t be upset with a mistake that has already occurred in the middle of a performance. Don’t be scared even if you’re not under ideal condition. Believe in yourself! Be aggressive!
    5. Orderly life: I am always worried about him when he tweets at midnight. And he gets sick too many times. He should control his health as much as he can.
    6. Height of lutzs: Jeremy has the great edge of lutzs but his lutzs are generally very low.
    7. To rethink combo jumps: I think the loop combo is not good for him.

    And I think Jeremy has a tendency to cause a meltdown after standing ovation for a previous skater. For example, 2009 NHK FS: no big standing ovation but throwing too many flowers after Johnny; 2009 GPF SP: big standing ovation and throwing too many flowers after Daisuke; Olympic SP: After Evan; and this time: after Ross. He must not be distracted and nervous with a previous skater’s performance and score and a reaction from audience for the previous skater. His main competition is only himself.

    He isn’t a perfect skater but I love Jeremy and his skating very much. I felt even the long program in the nationals was beautiful. I know every athlete has a bad day. I’m sure he will learn from this failure a lot. I always think, if he were smoothly qualified for Nationals in 2006, he might not become such a great skater. I think this experience will make him stronger, like the failure in 2006.

    Good luck, Jeremy! Believe in yourself! You’re one of the best skaters in the world.
  8. aliceanne

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    I agree with the posters who say he just had a bad skate. I think he's getting a handle on his nerves and sometimes you are just plain tired after a long competitive season.

    The only thing I think he could do differently is get quads in his programs. The fact that he doesn't attempt them and others do puts enormous pressure on him to skate perfectly. Given his complex choreography (which I love) that is hard to do. COP nothwithstanding, overall impression counts and when a skater looks like they are struggling its got to affect their scores.
  9. manleywoman

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    He has put quads in his programs several times.
  10. jlai

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    He's had issues with the second half of the long program all season long. It's not just one poor skate. I think this is mid-season, not the end of the season. I'd say his season got cut short if anything.

    ANyway there's nothing he needs to do if he's happy with what he has already achieved. Im merely suggesting things to improve his chances at a world medal. I think world champs manage to skate well despite less-than-ideal conditions--sickness, lack of sleep, injury, boot issues, etc. etc. It's just as much an exercise in overcoming obstacles as skating well.
  11. skatesindreams

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  12. Cheylana

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    Arrrrgh, I'm still a little traumatized from seeing Jeremy's drop to fourth... live. :( :fragile::drama::fragile: :(

    I think when Jeremy has a rough skate, he's gotta stay in point-gathering mode. Case in point, the level 1 spin after the fall on the lutz. When Evan Lysacek and Jeff Buttle's jumps went to hell, they still made sure to rack up points with the spins and steps instead of allowing biffed jumps to affect those comparatively "easy" elements.
  13. manleywoman

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    My personal opinion: his LPs tend to be very complex and introspective. Which if you are a skating fan of the arteests is great. In other words, I love his programs. But I wonder since he does tend to pick more obscure music and tell more complicated stories if it's too hard for many fans and judges to "get" his programs. As much as I don't want to push anyone towards overused music (Turandot/Carmen/Phantom/etc) I wonder if he picked something at least a little less obscure if that would help. THe Life is Beautiful LP is great, but really needs to be skated perfectly to be appreciated by judges.
  14. aliceanne

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    He didn't this season, and the others did.
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    I think the time off from this year's worlds may work for him. He has been competing for a long time. This will allow him to not think about the pressure so much. He can come back strong next season, or he may even want to take one season off, then make a run at making the Olympic team. He should get a solid quad though, in order to stay competitive.
  16. judgejudy27

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    He should have produced that performance in a big event the last 2 years when Lysacek was winning. Today it would do nothing against the likes of Patrick Chan skating like he did at Canadians or Takahashi skating to his potential.
  17. Sylvia

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    My simple answer: I think that as long as Jeremy stays true to himself as a person and to the "vision" he has for his own skating, he will be just fine. :)
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  18. ChibiChibi

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    I think it's probably because he had boots problems this season. I remember reading it somewhere....
  19. RobinA

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    To me he comes across as having a nerve problem. He looks like a deer in headlights before the program. He comes out and starts off kind of stiff jumpwise. A couple jumps go well and he's great. He muffs the first or second jump and things go to h*ll in a handbasket. I also think he is a bit undermarked for what he is doing. I mean, Bradley? He seems like a nice guy, but...

    I think in this case Bradley psyched Abbott out with the "two quads" talk when Abbott wasn't doing a quad. All that quad counting at the beginning of the telecast, none of the counted skaters came anywhere near a quad, and you could have bet good money they wouldn't have, as none of them have anywhere consistent quads. Had Abbott skated last, I bet he would have done a whole lot better.
  20. Cheylana

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    Well, he did attempt a 4T at Cup of Russia but fell on it. The quad just wasn't working for him this year.
  21. skatesindreams

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    This!

    judgejudy, he produced the skate I posted at the National Championships/Olympic Qualifier, where there is arguably more pressure than at the Olympics themselves.
  22. essence_of_soy

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    Based on Abbott's middling track record at Worlds, I get the USFSA choosing newbies Miner and Dornbush over him. Both delivered clean SP and FS performances.

    That Rippon has blown the short in his last 3 appearances at Nationals, I can understand their frustration with him as well.

    Will Adam and Jeremy make the podium at Four Continents. In order to make a case for themselves internationally next season, there is even more pressure to win in Chinese Taipei.
  23. Cheylana

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    Dornbush's SP wasn't clean. He stepped out of a jump and had some scratchy landings on the other jumps. He'll need a squeaky clean SP at Worlds. His FS was good, though.
  24. stjeaskategym

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    Chan and Takahashi skate their best very rarely. I'm not saying Abbott would have a good chance to beat them right now, but it's pretty normal to see inconsistency amongst the higher level men. I definitely don't think Abbott has to go into panic mode and chance a bunch of things up because of one rough Nationals skate... He just needs to keep plugging.

    Miner turned his 3-3 into a 3-2, and Dornbush struggled a bit in the SP. I understand the criticisms of Abbott's track record, but to me they aren't so important when comparing him to someone like Miner, who's track record is not nearly as good.
  25. dinakt

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    ... except I don't think he is "going to waste". Abbott is very true to his vision, his programs are more innovative and experimental every year, and now he is starting to choreograph himself ( he did choreo for his EX at Nationals, and it was lovely). To me, at least, the path he takes is interesting, and more important than medals.
    That said, what he needs to do, when his hand touches the ice after a jump, is to say " screw it, I am going to fight for everything no matter what" and follow up... but easy to say, hard to do.
  26. judgejudy27

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    Chan doesnt even need to skate his best to beat the field right now (even his toughest opponents higher up than Abbott). I joked earlier this season in part because of Chantastic judging he had a multi fall cushion over the rest, but realistically in addition to the Chantastic judging he has a multi fall cushion over the rest now since he also simply gotten that great and that much better than the rest too.

    And Takahashi I think has a pretty big mistake cushion over even a perfect Abbott as well, especialy as Jeremy doesnt seem to be getting much love from the judges even accounting for his mistakes anymore. Look at how their scores compared to NHK when Takahashi had more mistakes of the two.
  27. centerpt1

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    I think I agree with this. I think I meant he's been somewhat "off" the entire season, not just at Nationals. He hasn't been nearly the skater he was last season, and his scores show it. So- it really will be a comeback if he is able to get himself back to or surpass where he was last year.

    I appreciate his vision and creativeness, but if he doesn't skate well enough to make the World Team, who will see it?

    I'm also concerned about 4CC-because he doesn't seem prepared/ready to do well there-won't that just diminish his credibility even more?
  28. Jaana

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    Maybe NHK is not the best competition to compare the scores of Takahashi and Abbott, LOL? Anyway, I like both skaters very much, but prefer Takahashi.
  29. Meredith

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    Abbott seems to take the road less traveled and I love his introspective take on his skating and musical choices. They suit him, reflect him, and invite the viewer into his world. When done well, they are absolutely stunning. Jeremy may be having a bad year, but he is a skater I look forward to seeing whenever and wherever he performs.

    Perhaps as dinakt says, the medals are not as important to him at this time in his life. There is so much more that Jeremy has to offer. I hope he has the opportunity to show it.
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    I don't think Jeremy's season was a disaster. I think his programs established him as an exceptional skater and really set him apart. A year ago he was pretty anonymous. It would have been nice if the COP had rewarded him more, but those programs were HARD and I don't think he skated poorly overall.

    As far as credentials, he has two national titles, and didn't he win a GP final previously? What he needed was some buzz and he has that now! I don't think he'll have any problem doing shows.
  32. Cheylana

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    We brought a friend to the men's freeskate, and as soon as he saw Jeremy he said, "Hey, isn't that the guy who bombed at the Olympics?" Not the kind of buzz that Jeremy needs. :(
  33. smarts1

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    Woah did anyone else here see Ryan's tweet?
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    No -- what was it?
  35. museksk8r

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    "I wish people would lay off @jeremyabbottpcf (not you, you're angels) tough sport and we cant be perfect. Hes one of the best weve ever had."

    That was very nice of him to say. :)
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  36. CynicElle

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    Yes -- saw that and thought that was very classy of Ryan.
  37. jlai

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    I think people are very kind to Jeremy when compared to what they say about, errr, Rachael, Mirai, Lysacek, Johnny Weir, Alissa (in the past) and Caroline-some of whom are underaged.

    Anyway, nice of Ryan to say that about a competitor.
  38. smarts1

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    ^ Yeah. I never knew they even talked!
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    They used to train together under Tom Zakrajsek.
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  40. VIETgrlTerifa

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    That may be true, but Abbott needs to skate like that internationally and get a medal before he can think about beating the likes of Chan and Takahashi. I think the scores between him and top will narrow down if he consistently performs up to his potential. I'm not saying he'll beat a perfect Chan or Daisuke, but he needs to "prove" to the critics, fans, and judges that he's not just another headcase artist who can never deliver. Fairly or not, that seems to be his reputation now and judges will stop (if they ever did for Jeremy) giving him the benefit of doubt. I believe his Worlds SP would've scored a lot higher had he performed well in Vancouver, but since he messed up in Vancouver (like at Worlds 2008 and 2009), his clean SP scored lower than what he should have, again IMO.