What are the options for Ksenia Makarova ?

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Ksenia Makarova's options

  1. Retire

    17 vote(s)
    16.5%
  2. Get a solid 3-3 and her flip and lutz back in hope she will be given another chance

    40 vote(s)
    38.8%
  3. Just be contented at least competing in B Competitions

    13 vote(s)
    12.6%
  4. Revert skating for the US

    3 vote(s)
    2.9%
  5. Get a citizenship in other former soviet countries ( Ukraine, Belarus, Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan )

    39 vote(s)
    37.9%
  6. Switch to Ice Dancing or Pairs

    6 vote(s)
    5.8%
  7. Try out acting and auditions for a Marilyn Monroe role or getting a Chocolate Commercial

    11 vote(s)
    10.7%
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  1. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    It appears this maybe Ksenia's last season , with the exception of Leonova, it appears the RFSF has already loss interest in her and with the junior ladies coming up in the senior ranks. Ksenia could be done with Korobeynikova who outskated her at Euros and Shelepen may be replacing her at Worlds and more ladies coming up to seniors Sotnikova, Tukt, Lipnitskaya, Radionova etc. in the coming seasons

    what are her best options ?

    1)Retire
    2)Get a solid 3-3 and her flip and lutz back in hope she will be given another chance
    3) Just be contented if ever at least B Competitions will be given to her
    4) Revert skating for the US
    5) Get a citizenship in other former soviet countries ( Ukraine, Belarus, Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan )
    6) Switch to Ice Dancing or Pairs
    7) Try out acting and auditions for a Marilyn Monroe role or getting a Chocolate commercial ( her dream advertisement ).
  2. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    She skated at Euros this season, so if she wants to skate singles for any country other than Russia, she has to sit out all international competitions until July 2014. That means missing out on the Olympics. Not a good choice.
  3. IneZR

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    I think that Ksenia needs to change a coach - her partnership with Rukavitsyn obviously isn't working. Her programs have never been choreographic masterpieces, but with Petrenko and Zmiyevskaya she at least had the jumps - now the jumps are gone and her LP is as empty as it could be and doesn't play up to her strengths.

    Maybe she should relocate back to the US or, if she intends to stay in Russia - go to Vodorezova, Mishin or Tutberidze (her students are really good jumpers). I really think that Ksenia is a very talented skater and with the right coach she can make a comeback ala Czisny and Kostner. She just needs the right package and someone who would help her get her jumps back.
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  4. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I voted every option except #2 and #4.
  5. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    First and foremost, she needs to rework her jump technique. It's obviously not getting her enough height to rotate those harder triples, especially on tired legs.

    This means:

    1. fitness & strength training
    2. perhaps a new coach, if not a jump specialist
    3. run throughs

    Her programs are horrible, but they really are the least of her worries now.

    Alas, even if she succeeds, there is a good chance she will never make a Euro / world / Olympic team again, and this is nothing against her skating but just a manifestation of the depth of Russian ladies skating these days.

    Maybe she can turn pro or skate in made-for-TV ice shows?
  6. essence_of_soy

    essence_of_soy Well-Known Member

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    I really liked her programs in 2010 and 2011.

    This year, her short program was soft and lyrical. I didn't get her Marilyn Monroe free skate with the choppy music cuts at all.
  7. CantALoop

    CantALoop Well-Known Member

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    Her free skate is really what's dragging her down this year. But even if she reinvents herself and gets her flip and/or Lutz back, I think she'll need the up-and-comers to falter since they're already so strong and will probably improve in the future.

    TBH, I have a feeling that she may end up in the history books as Russia's version of Chisato Shiina.
  8. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    I like her skating but she can't compete against other russian ladies. So, the best would be to find another country to skate for, or to be pleased by B competitions.
  9. PashaFan

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    Come here to England. We will give anyone a passport. With Jenna about to retire we could pull a few strings.
    But on the serious side, she is a young girl who I'm sure saw her entire life involved in skating. So if she has to look at her future options she should be allowed to do so in her own time.
    Imagine this was your daughter & sister?. You would want what's best for her but also what makes her happy.
    If she wants to continue she should & not pay attention to the haters.
    Elena Bechke was told by many that she would never be a good skater but she stuck with it. And though she was never the most talented she got the most out of the talent she had.
  10. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

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    Are her parents still here in the US? I felt that her going to Russia was perhaps ill-timed, for her personal life. I believe that she was in the middle of her senior year in high school, which is a big deal for a lot of US kids, so that may not have been easy for her. She'd been coached by her parents and Petrenko/Zmiyevskaya, which seemed to be working for her. Then she left, and it all seemed to fall apart. I didn't think she should leave the US in the first place, and I agree with you - she should come back and perhaps return to Petrenko.
  11. love_skate2011

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    Ksenia I think still has dual American and Russian citizenship

    I disagree, Ksenia came at the right time but her peak came
    too early, she and Leonova in some ways were the first wave of new russian ladies skaters, Makarova has competed at the Olympics, Worlds, Euros and GP. not bad at all and she should already be proud of the accomplishments and competing in such huge opportunities given to her. Leonova is not yet ready to give up to the youngsters but Makarova has been sad to say regressing, imo

    if she really does indeed want to continue skating for many more years, she could either switch coaches ( but RSFS has lost ineterest in her now, don't know if this will make a difference ) or switch skating to other countries
  12. Vash01

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    I did not realize this was a multiple options poll, so I picked 'skate for another country'. That was before I read Vagabond's post. I believe that eliminates skating for any country other than Russia. Now it seems she may be better off improving her jumps and trying again, or moving to ice dance. Is she too tall to be a pairs skater?
  13. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I agree. I never understood the coaching change. I understand leaving Petrenko for a more seasoned coach, but not to go to a coach who's not well known (afaik his only other top student is Konstantin Memshov?). And the fact that it happened mid-season and in the middle of her senior year was really weird and random. Her jumps didn't improve at all... she was fairly consistent before.

    All of the doomsday talk is so :blah: Who's to say Lipnitskaya, Sotnikova, and Tuktameysheva won't all sweep the podium in Sochi and retire, leaving the field more open? Some of the Russian ladies have had great longevity. Maria Butryskaya was older than Ksenia in her peak years. Elena Sokolova made the Olympics in 1998, didn't qualify in 2002, and got back to the games in 2006, with a world medal and a few Euro medals in between. Irina Slutskaya also came back from a season when she didn't make the team. If she switches countries she could drop in the standings like Soldatova did for Belarus.

    Ksenia is enjoyable to watch for me because she has the Russian voids but the elegance of one of the US skaters... it's a very rare quality. I hope she sticks around for Russia.
  14. kirkbiggestfan

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    If she does not get any international assignments next season, that will force her to do it. Isn't there an ISU proposal to reduce the wait period?
  15. Nomad

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    According to her ISU bio, she's 5.5 1/2.
  16. kwanfan1818

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    I vote "Other": Skate better than Korobeynikova and Leonova in Nice and get everyone in a frenzy.
  17. alij

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    She has been replaced on the Worlds team by Shelepen, so that is not an option
  18. Vash01

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    can she skate for Canada? of course she will have to wait to become eligible, but at least it's close to where her parents live, and the competition not as fierce as in Russia or even the USA (sorry, my Canadian friends; I didn't mean to offend you).
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    Last word from Piseev was that the Russian Fed will decide after Jr. Worlds. Shelepen's announcement that she was chosen to replace Makarova has been removed from her social media.
  20. love_skate2011

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    :rofl:

    but the waiting period would me more than 2 years
    and she will have to wait after the 2014 Olympics
  21. Nomad

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    She's only 19. She could still compete at the 2018 Olympics if she switched countries.
  22. love_skate2011

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    ^

    of course she always has that option go to Canada, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Ukraine but the waiting period, can she wait that long enough ?? :confused:
  23. Nomad

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    Is the alternative any better? Piseev has no problem dumping skaters who don't deliver. Sokolova, Doronina and the rest of the Crapova sisters, and now Makarova. The writing is already on the wall. At this point she'll be lucky to get B assignments.
  24. Marco

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    At this stage I am not even sure Makarova can take on Phaneuf and Lacoste. if she moved to other, smaller, former Soviet federations, she should be ready to receive the Soldatova treatment on her PCS.
  25. Kelvster

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    I think we all saw how depressed she looked after the long programme at Euros. She probably realized that it was her last chance at a medal at such a major event.

    It's quite a shame because her skating is pleasant enough. Saw her live last year at COC and after the really dismal SP, she kind of delivered in the long. I don't think she'll ever land the lutz though! (Such horrific attempts during last season if I am not mistaken)

    No point switching country at this stage though because her destiny may be the same as Soldatova otherwise.

    I think she should keep competing for Russia, while adjusting her expectations so she'll know that any assignments that she gets will be a bonus. Otherwise, she may like to treat the Worlds in Nice as her last big competition (assuming she's going) and then go to college in the US or something afterwards~~, then (whilst at college) re-assess the situation after all the Russian babies have had their go at Sochi. :)
  26. PashaFan

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    She needs to get in the gym & get stronger. She always looks like she will break in two.
    I really hope she hangs in there.
  27. gingercat

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    I would love to Ksenia move back to her old coaches regain all of the muscle she lost and begin to enjoy and love her skating again. She is a lovely girl and she looks like passion and joy have been taken from her. It is so very sad to watch. I wish her happiness in whatever she chooses, but I hope she allows herself a chance to return to the kind of skating she obviously loved. Competing or not she deserves a chance to love her skating again.
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  28. gingercat

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    To Pashfan - look at pictures of her when she was in the US with Petrenko - she had muscle and power and speed - she looks like she went on a "Russian Diet" when she was training there and lost all of her strength - the pictures are worth a thousand words. VERY SAD! She is a lovely and talented skater - it has all been taken from her. Who knows how she would have done against the young power houses - that does not really matter. It is just a shame to see what was done to her.
  29. PashaFan

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    The first time I saw her was at the 2010 Europeans.
    Is there any earlier programes of her on Youtube?.
  30. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Yes, 2009 International Cup of Nice (her first senior international? she won) are the earliest ones I've seen on youtube. Makarova also competed on the JGP in the fall of 2009 and qualified for the Final, placing 4th.
  31. SamuraiK

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    If she still loves skating and wants to continue, I say go on. She's still good enough to survive for years in the elite level (grand prix) without making it to euros/world teams. Look at Ashley Wagner, last time she was a in senior championship was FOUR! seasons ago. Elena Sokolova also was ignored for a whole olympic cycle before resurfacing once the top names of that era retired. So it's still possible :)
  32. alij

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    Ah I had missed that turn of events, will be interesting to see what actually happens
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    I wouldn't say that Cupcake was ignored by the RF between 98 and 02. She failed to make the national podium in those years (finishing 4-6) but she still got 18 international assignments (mostly GP events) and brought home 11 medals. I think the RF started to write her off in 01, when she bombed SA and finished 4th at CoR and RN. She got one GP in 02 (NHK, 6th place) and that might have been it for Sokolova had she not defeated an ailing Slutskaya at the 03 Russian Nats. She won some medals here and there after that, but after bombing in Torino, then losing Russian Nats to Doronina and bombing at Euros and Worlds in 07, I think Piseev retired her.
  34. blue_idealist

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    I don't think she should retire. I think if she does better her jumps, she might have a chance. She COULD go back to skating for the US, but I don't know if she's going to have it any easier there than in Russia. Maybe a little easier, since the top US ladies have been quite inconsistent in recent years. If she had a good day, and they had bad days or so-so days, she could probably win US Nats over any of them (Alissa, Ashley - unless she keeps going like she is *crosses fingers*, Mirai, Caroline, Agnes, etc.). However, if they skated well and she bombed, she could get buried in the standings.
  35. Vash01

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    A question: If Ksenia decides to skate for the US instead of Russia, will she still have to sit out until 2014, and does it mean after the 2014 Olympic season or before it (meaning can she compete at the 2014 US nationals)?
  36. RFOS

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    If she wanted to and qualified, I think she could compete at 2013 U.S. Nationals, she just wouldn't be able to compete internationally for the U.S. The ISU "sit out" rules don't govern national competitions. Some skaters have even competed at 2 different Nationals in the same season (for example, Patrick Myzyk for Canada and Poland last year).
  37. victoriaheidi

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    On one hand, we have people arguing that she couldn't even beat the top two in Canada; on the other, we're moving her to the US?
  38. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    When someone said she would get the Soldatova treament if she switched countries, how is that a bad thing. Maybe it was for Soldatova in a way as she a former World medalist who dropped to the teens. However Makarova was never one of the top skaters in the World, and would be happy to just get to compete at events like Worlds and the Olympics again. Also the Russian federation isnt even powerful anymore so it is unlikely they could inluence her results much, especialy under COP. She probably wouldnt place that high at the World level but she never really did to begin with.
  39. Vash01

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    I am assuming that she will improve. That's not so unrealistic, is it? She is only 19.
  40. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Moving to the U.S would not be a good idea for Makarova. The U.S has alot of strong girls her age or younger and she isnt currently better than any of them, nor does her long range potential look better. No way she would be making the U.S Sochi team with Wagner, Gold, Zhang, Nagasu, Czisny, and Zawadzki all in her way. An imported Russian who at 19 doesnt even have a triple lutz would get buried amongst that group. Trying for a lesser Soviet republic would be better.