What’s in store for Mao Asada this season?

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  1. lowtherlore

    lowtherlore New Member

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    With Nagakubo she was rebuilding her jumps from the ground up and was struggling in the process. Now Mao is with Sato and Nagakubo is being dumped. How would her season unfold in the context of her correcting the jumps?

    Would she successfully rebuild her jumps and come back strong; or
    Would she be only marginally successful in rebuilding and compete in the events; or
    Would she continue to struggle and skip either the GPs or the Worlds; or
    Would she scrap the rebuilding altogether and go back to her old form.
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  2. tangerine_dream

    tangerine_dream New Member

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    More boring programs and a delusion that the triple axel somehow earns her more points than normal jumps done well.
  3. miki88

    miki88 New Member

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    Here's a better question. When will lowthelore stop creating Mao threads? :rolleyes:
  4. DreamSkates

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    i agree - scrap the triple axle, altho it's amazing to watch her complete it. Work on everything else that could earn her more points and make all of her other jumps solid.
  5. miki88

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    Um... that's exactly what she's trying to do now: work on her other jumps, if you haven't heard..........:wideeyes:
  6. tangerine_dream

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    That doesn't mean it will work when she's been doing them poorly so long. There's only so much you can fix. And while she's "working" on the other jumps, I somehow doubt she's stopped thinking the triple axe is somehow her ticket to gold. Relying on that jump (it's great and all, but it doesn't make up for mediocre everything else) is probably why she hasn't placed the way most people have been expecting her to the past few years.
  7. miki88

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  8. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    I like the triple axel. It's gutsy and it's different. I hope Mao wins another world title if she skates well. With Yu-Na's recent problems, maybe she won't be as perfect this year (not that I'm ill-wishing her, Mao's just one of my favourites).
  9. taf2002

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    "Mediocre everything else?" Really? I seem to remember another skater, this one from Russia who could do the 3X but hasn't won anything. Ludmilla something....who actually had mediocre everything else. She couldn't even spin as well as a junior. She certainly didn't become World Champion...she couldn't even win her own Nationals.

    But way to be supportive. Why don't we wait & see how well Mao does this season before we trash her efforts?
  10. ponta1

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    She did manage to win an Olympic silver medal, and is World Champion, despite her "mediocre-ness".
  11. lowtherlore

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    Just read Mao’s latest interview, and I am glad that she seems sincere in addressing technical issues in her jumps, although I find it amazing that an Olympic silver medalist and World champ is struggling to pick up such basic techniques this late into the senior career. I want to see her also clean up the forward takeoffs on blades on her toe jumps and backward takeoffs on her axels. It would be too optimistic to rely on judges’ leniency when she square off with the Russian and American young guns in Sochi, if she stick around until then. As for her coaching arrangement, while it would be possible that she and Sato give audience to the suggestions from others, I can’t picture someone senior enough like Nagakubo working with her directly as a specialist coach. They cannot have two captains.

    FYI this is the first one started by me.
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  12. ponta1

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    This may be the first thread started by you, but judging by all your previous post on any topic with Mao, you clearly don't like her and have only derogatory things to say about her. So the question is, why start a thread on a skater you don't like? On the other hand, I think I know the answer to that so you don't need to reply.
  13. briancoogaert

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    Just a note : her 3 Lutz is much better than it was before. At least, she tries to do it with an outside edge ! Good job !
  14. igniculus

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    >>What&#8217;s in store for Mao Asada this season?<<

    Becoming world champion again? :p
  15. RumbleFish

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    With the new rules, it would be a huge disappointment if she doesn't.
    But after watching Japan Open, I think Ando has a good chance of spoiling the party like she did in 2007. Ando's program is lame as ever, but well constructed IMO for Worlds in her home country.
    She will probably start her program with 3lutz-3lo< and 4sal< , then do a couple of spins and lots of posing, and then backload 5 jumping passes in the second half. If home ground buff were to be added to already inflated PCS, she will be pretty hard to beat.
  16. RumbleFish

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    Didn't she get an "e" for her lutz?
  17. inskate

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    Mao has not "dumped" Nagakubo. She will not work with him during the season because he is the main coach of many promising skaters and will have to prepare them and travel with them to competitions, while Mao might relocate to Yokohama. However, she said that it's possible that she'll work with him again in the next off-season.

    Both Mao and Sato were appreciative of Nagakubo's efforts, and Sato said that he will continue his work and not try to change the things he taught Mao.

    Mao has never said that 3A should give her more points than a full set of jumps. In fact, she said many times that she wants to master all jumps and in the 08-09 season made attempts to include all of them in her programs. However, she went through a growth spurt and nearly lost her jumps in 2009. She didn't attempt 3A three times because she thought that is the way to win. She did it because 3A, 3F and 3L were her most stable jumps at that time. Normal jumps done well earn points, but splats don't. And there was no time to go back to basics and make her other jumps stable. She is doing this now:

    And from another interview:

    Well, she removed one of her 3As from the LP, replacing it with 2A-3T. According to an interview post-Japan Open Mao plans to keep this jump layout.
    Both she and Sato said that now that the Olympics are over, they will concentrate on making all of Mao's jumps consistent, even if this will take a couple of seasons.

    According to twitts from Yana Rudkovskaya and reports from the practices before Japan Open Mao's jumps were already quite consistent in practice when she jumped them outside her program. Jumping them in the program might be much more difficult and it's possible that Mao will struggle for a season, or two, or longer.

    It certainly won't happen overnight. Most of the skaters have trouble getting one troublesome jump consistent, and Mao is working on reworking all except for 3L.
  18. Frau Muller

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    Mao will be the World Champion for a 3rd time...leaving NBC-TV's Kwantastic marketeers with egg on their faces yet again.
  19. Sinclare

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    I would love to see her win WC this year especially because it is in Japan.
  20. kosjenka

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    Well I hope she improves her technique and gets the right take off on her problematic jump.
    I admire her for 3 axle. I think it is a great thing for the competition, makes it more interesting.
    It does not mean other ladies must start working on 3 axle - but this makes Mao special.
    I do hope YuNa stays for Worlds this season( and more!). I fail to understand someone wanting her or Mao to retiree so the other could prosper more easily. We are so lucky to have such talented & remarkable performers skating and competing at the same time.
  21. Doubletoe

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    Last season Mao got off to a rocky start and didn't even make it to the GPF and the haterz came out in droves to nail her coffin shut. She ended the season with an Olympic silver medal and the world championship. Don't be fooled by Mao's early season performances!
  22. PUNKPRINCESS

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    Pardon me, but your logic is a bit contradictory. Why would she be working on her other jumps if she thought her triple axel was her "ticket to gold"? Can't we give her credit for trying to improve on her "mediocre everything else"? :huh:
  23. lipned

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    I agree, she definitely has improved her lutz technique, her inside edge at the take-off is much shorter than before, although she still rolls over to the inside edge at the take-off which can be seen quite easily.

    I have a HUGE respect for Mao.
    She puts a lot of demands on herself, as she tries to improve her lutz, includes triple salchow.
    Most skaters wouldn't be subjecting themselves to something like that especially with the situation in the short program where Mao has an advantage over other skaters because of her triple axel, and because re-learning a jump technique is a notoriously difficult endeavour.

    GO MAO!
  24. Sinclare

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    Maybe she will have a bumpy GP season, but make the final and be victorious in Tokyo at WC????? It could happen? :) I hope, she deserves it!
  25. tangerine_dream

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    I don't have any reason to be "supportive", I am neither family nor friend. I'm just an onlooker and speaking my mind. I'm not one to think I should "support" people I don't know.

    You have to take things in perspective...obviously when I say the rest of her skating is mediocre, I compare her to the rest of her (world class) field, not to some unknown senior skater from a small country who can't even win her Nationals. Different standards apply to different people, and World-class skaters are expected to skate better than Jane Doe. I'm comparing her to what she needs to compare herself to, which is the top of the field.

    It's not really contradictory. Joubert spent a year working on improving his spins, because he knew they needed help. That didn't stop him from thinking that having a quad would give him better chances to win the Olys than those who didn't (and lo and behold, someone without a quad won..). Just because you are "working on other things" which is usually not even your own idea but suggested by someone else on your team, doesn't mean you don't think it's only the "big jump" that matters. The two are not mutually exclusive, and since her triple axel is already so good and reliable anyway, it's not like she has much else to work on that the "more basic" jumps. What is she going to do instead?
  26. judgejudy27

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    This year for womens skating could be crazy open. Mao still inconsistent at times, questions about Yu Na with a big coaching change, Rochette planning not to compete this season though if she sees a clear path to the World title she might reconsider, Nagasu reportedly injured, Ando and Kostner both past their primes, Lepisto now injured. Flip a coin to what is going to happen right now.
  27. Phoenix347

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    Excellent analysis of the Senior ladies for the 2010-2011 season. Two of the Olympic medalist are not competing in the Grand Prix, Mao is in the midst of drastic changes to her program and jump techniques, Nagasu and Lepisto both dealing with injuries, the field is wide open for someone to step up and take the crown! It will be an interesting season, if a bit weakened field.

    I wonder if Mao is treating this season as a transitional year for her to strengthen her program and revamp her techniques for certain jumps. Maybe that's more important to her than any title this year as her ultimate goal now seem to be gold medal at Sochi. In spite of that, she can still tune her programs and technique and still stand on top of the podium this year. It will be interesting to see the progress she'll make on her ambitious goals this year.
  28. Vash01

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    I love the triple axel. I wish more ladies (and men) would challenge themselves with harder jumps. She needs to keep it and clean up her other jumps. They are not horrible by any means but she will get more points with better technique.

    However, I would really like her to develop artistically. May be work with Lori Nichols? Long ago it had helped Michelle bring her inner artist out. I just hope that with Sato's coaching she will not become a boring skater (Fumi comes to mind).

    I hope she can win the world championship next year.
  29. mikemba

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    I totally agree.

    I never felt Mao was foolish for focusing on her triple axel. The only thing I ever felt was foolish is how ridiculously low the base value of a triple axel is under COP.
  30. pinky166

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    Kosnter and Ando may not be past their primes, it's really hard to tell. I mean look at what happened to Joannie.
  31. lowtherlore

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    I agree with this. Ando is well capable of winning another WC, especially when it is being held in Japan, where she could have PCS advantage again. I am not a fan of her skating, but she has proven many times she can skate relatively clean in big competitions.
  32. lowtherlore

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    As you pointed out I am not big Mao fan, but I said good things about her in several of my previous posts. Other times I might have wrote things not to your liking, but don&#8217;t make false accusations. Where did I ever write &#8220;derogatory&#8221; things on Mao? I call a spade a spade.
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  33. ponta1

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    I don't know what "good" things you've said about her. Basically, what you keep saying in numerous posts, is that she and the JSF continue to lie about approaching Orser, etc. etc. yada yada blah blah.
  34. pinky166

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    I agree with this. Boring as Miki is, she is consistent and capable of difficult, well-executed jumps and combinations. Her flexibility and spins aren't great but they are fine, and her slender body line makes these flaws more forgivable. Her PCS are consistently high, although not huge, but in Japan they could be if she skates well. The 2a-3t looked really solid in Japan Open, so if she includes that combo in her FS along with a 3lz-3lo and possibly a 4s, even if she gets URs, she'll still have a very high base value. Where Joannie may not skate, and Mao and Yuna going through big changes this season, Miki looks like a good bet for a world medal this season, possibly the gold, at least at this point.