Welcome to My World by Johnny Weir - It's here, deal with it!

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  1. Southpaw

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    He's certainly not outrageous by Lyndhurst standards. If he had moved into town 20 years ago he would have been hanging at Aldo's and listening to Skinny Puppy and railing against the fur industry. :lol:
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    :eek:

    If Johnny had come up with that I would have started a petition to get USFS to convince him to change it. :lol:
  3. nursebetty

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    On the show, skating with the stars, he was looking outrageous to me. I miss the old Johnny.
  4. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    I am almost done with the book. I am a bit skeptical at his descriptions of Galina. Could she possibly be that crazy? And given Johnny history of getting drunk and doing incredibly stupid things like challenging Evan to a hand stand competition and spraining his ankle or getting drunk before Swan Lake at Bolshoi, I can see how Galina would be worried.

    I wonder if her side of the story is not being told.
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  6. Prancer

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    I'm Midwest born and bred, and I :lol: at the idea that Johnny is outrageous. What do people think we do out here, anyway?
  7. mmscfdcsu

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    :lol:. No. Not outrageous at all. He hasn't learned that less is more. Most of his outfits just seem silly to me. I would not call them outrageous at all.

    I found this costume silly as well, but loved the skating.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKO56REgQvI&feature=related

    What would people say if Johnny wore this costume?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO4JPSLPGfc
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  8. orbitz

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    It's Johnny's memoir, written from his point of view. There's no need to allow a few paragraphs for Galina to explain her side of the story.
  9. Kasey

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    OK, what is this music?? It sounds SOOOO familiar. Is it "Snowstorm"?
  10. IceAlisa

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    That's not what I meant--I don't expect him to have Galina write anything. I am, however, wondering is something is lost in the story of his issues with her. That's the feeling I got from reading.
  11. Sylvia

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    This reply was posted in the other Weir thread:
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  12. Holley Calmes

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    I don't find these costumes so weird as I find them indicative of a period of time-as does the choreography. Actually, that second one made me think of many costumes for Swan Lake's Seigfried I've seen - ok, without the little gold skirt, I'll grant you that. If Johnny wore that, I might wonder if he was trying to outdo Natalie Portman with a swan lake psychological thriller of his own. I mean, check this out!

    http://www.totallyfreeimages.com/13...tume-for-Prince-Siegfried-in-Swan-Lake-Act-II,
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  13. Justathoughtabl

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    I didn't mean any disrespect. I just meant whatever is more conservative, and I'm generalizing based on the red/blue thing. It's a complete generalization. I'm just trying to figure out just _who_ thinks Johnny is outrageous.
  14. Prancer

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    Johnny! :lol:

    Oooh, mmmary, using dance team costumes is just completely unfair :lol:. And using B&B is just tooooooo cruel :lol:.
  15. Holley Calmes

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    But you need to qualify between those who think being outrageous is GOOD versus those who think being outrageous isn't good. Or, who believe being outrageous according to their own standards is good/bad. Or who think outrageous is fine for people they like but not others. Or people who....ad nauseum.

    I love Johnny. I don't love him totally all the time, but I'm indulgent of his attempts at fabulousness. I just don't want to see him get hurt in the long run. I'd much rather have him back skating seriously in "outrageous" costumes than appearing in STAR Magazine's worst dressed looking like a bedazzled Tarzan. (Though...he's certainly fit, even with glitter running down his legs....)
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  16. Justathoughtabl

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    I don't think most of his costumes are silly. Look at what ballet dancers wear; no one calls that silly. They're costumes, not uniforms or street clothes.
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  18. Southpaw

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    Don't forget that Johnny was use to getting his own way with Priscilla so it was a shock for him to be with a coach like Galina who was strict about run throughs and focusing on skating.
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    Its a shame that the two couldn't come together to train him because he clearly needs the discipline of a Galina, but she apparently knows squat about the technical aspects and did more harm than good in that department.
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    I remember it well. And most of us just dismissed it with a shrug and an "Well, he's French! What can you expect?"

    Stannick had a couple of - odd - costumes, didn't he? But at least he wore them with a sense of humor, IIRC. He always seemed to be grinning along with the audience as if he was thinking "Sure I look silly but, hey, I got you to watch me, didn't I?" I never had the feeling that he expected anyone to take the outfits seriously.

    Whereas Johnny....???
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    You wonder? Honestly, based on reviews I don't think this book was ever entended as a "balanced, unbiased" review of his life. (That would require a 3rd party writer)

    This book, like most autobiography's is "my view of what happened" and they are generally written to make the "author" look good. Nothing wrong with that, but the reader must remember that.
  24. IceAlisa

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    Have you ever read an autobiography before? Yes, there are ways to make the person in question look good. However, in the second part of the book, that's exactly what is NOT happening.
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    Or another way of looking at it is that the author is not a mind-reader, and if the other party wants people to know what s/he thinks/feels, the best way is to tell people her/himself.
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    My understanding was that Victor took care of the technical aspects. So did what Johnny said about Galina mean she not likely to continue as his coach?
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    From what I've heard on the internet, Johnny is planning on resuming training with both Galina and Viktor upon his return from Russia.
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    I agree, Johnny went to Galina wanting only someone who would kick his butt and make him practice and focus, instead he wound up with someone who tore apart everything he had been taught about skating. Johnny was so convinced that Galina could turn him back into a champion, he agreed to do everything she said, no questions asked and no debate.
  29. IceAlisa

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    I finished the book. I relived the robbery in Vancouver learned a few more details about the federation giving Johnny the finger.

    Overall, while there were parts about the narrative that were annoying, I am glad I bought and read it. I agree that Johnny with his quirks and sensitivities really is an artist.


    Whoever it was, Galina or Viktor, someone dropped the ball.
  30. milanessa

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    Johnny, maybe?
  31. IceAlisa

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    Was it really his job to pore over CoP and figure out strategy? Or his coaches'? I'd say his job was to train and to skate.
  32. Prancer

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    Oh, yes, we met at that SA, didn't we? I remember looking for your green coat :). It was sort of the same shade as that costume. :p

    I always enjoyed Stannick. But that was quite an introduction. :lol:
  33. marbri

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    Surely a skater needs to know CoP and strategy as well? THey need to know what to do or how to respond in different situations. They need to know what to do, the positions to hit and the rotations to make, to get those levels. I'd be :confused: by any skater at that level who wasn't involved in that process.
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  34. milanessa

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    Of course it's his job. I'm astonished anyone thinks differently. But, hey, YMOV
  35. Prancer

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    I think that the coach and choreographer need to design programs that let a skater maximize COP, and that's their job.

    But ITA that skaters need to understand it all as well, so that when they miss an element and want to make it up, they know not to do something like, oh, repeat a jump three times.
  36. IceAlisa

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    What Prancer said. :p
  37. Sparks

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    Are you speaking of Oda? :p
  38. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    Absolutely. And when the choreographer designs a program to maximize CoP it's up to the coach and skater not to change or dilute it.:D
  39. manleywoman

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    Exactly. Or do too few combos, which Johnny did several times.
  40. Sylvia

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    Or perhaps it's more accurate to say "certain people within the federation."