Weaver and Poje their time is now

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  1. sap5

    sap5 Well-Known Member

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    I hope they go back and take out some of the cuts in their SD. With such well-known music, so many cuts distract from the skating. The audience spends time thinking of the next song, and stops paying attention to the skating.
  2. Tak

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    I think it's worse than that. It seems to me that they are also too distracted [if that's the right word] by that constant music change. It changes so often it seemed to me they couldnt really connect to it to any great extent and at times lost all connection to the rhythm. IMO this program would work a lot better artistically and technically if they would limit themselves to 2 songs.
  3. zilam98

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    my thoughts as well. i really loved the idea of their SD to the sound of music, but their music cuts are way too much.
  4. arakwafan2006

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    They work so hard in practice that I can understand their look of frustration. The Russian pair passing them had to be salt in a wound for them. They definitely can make the necessary changes to step up the program. Its a competitive sport out there but they have the goods not to mention the look of champions.
  5. Macassar88

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    I definitely don't think they will just step aside - although I would also think you were crazy if you think that Bobrova and Soloviev will stagnate from now until worlds (presumably the next time they would meet).
    As a fan of both teams, I hope they both make significant improvements every day and both skate amazing programs at every competition. That's what will make a great rivalry and make them both improve the most.
  6. tut88

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    I don't think Judges bother so much about the SD's cuts of music.
    This is not a music contest.

    I think they need to improuve the FD, technically change something, and skate better to have some higher goe.

    Of course RUssians will push to put their couple higher for Sochi ... ( Ilinik in the GPFInal is a prouve)
    So, I hope they will go back to work with ALL the team, to try to recover this season !
  7. Twilight1

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    I really want to see Virtue & Moir and Weaver & Poje on the podium at World's. It would totally make my trip worth it!

    I do think they really need to up the technical and get that connection with the audience with their FD. Their SD is wonderful though
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    I agree about the SD. I don't think there is anything wrong with it and the music cut is just a personal preference. I don't find the SD is worse than their main competitors.

    I LOVED the FD when they debuted but now that everyone has their FD's out there and we see which ones are being rewarded they might need to add some more transitions and difficulty to compete and make it impossible for the judges to ignore. I also don't think their FD is any worse then B&S, P&B and C&L. It definitely isn't worse then I&K. For the sake of this post I will just assume at this stage V&M and D&W are unbeatable. Unfortunately for them having a SD and FD that isn't any worse than their closest competitors isn't going to be enough for them as momentum at the moment seems to be with B&S and C&L. Just too crowded there around the podium that it could come down to judges preference and right now I see that with B&S and C&L.
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    So they reworked their programs......good for them. I really hope it all works out for them.
  11. pani

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    Cant wait to see the at Nationals. Maybe its better t not skate at GPF, bt will be strong for Natoanls 4CC and WCH!
  12. lauravvv

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    Thank you. I had started really liking their FD as it was - it had a kind of serene beauty to it. But now I am glad that they are doing whatever is necessary to make the FD even better - I can't wait to see the new version of it. It will be interesting to see whether they really made some changes also to the SD.
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    They certainly do.I have a feeling though that the three top positions are not going to change much if at all till after Sochi when maybe V/M D/W P/B retire .If none of these three go to worlds after olympics I can see W/P straight on the top .
    They have great Chemistry and look like future champs .
  14. tut88

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    Happy that they figured put what the problems was !
    More happy that their attitude and motivations are still the same !!
    Can't wait to see them at nationals !
  15. clarie

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    I read on GS that Kaitlyn has broken her ankle. I hope it's not this serious. Poor girl.
  16. pani

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    What a hard season for them :( Hope she is OK :)
  17. clarie

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    So do I......a sprain would be easier to deal with even though that would take some time to heal............hopefully it's a false report. I'd hate to see them lose their season at this point :(
  18. quartz

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    Nooooooooooooo!!!
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    These potential news are really depressing :fragile:

    I was so looking forward to see their improved FD.
  20. pani

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    Me too :( Hope its only rumors.
    Without W-P it will be very hard for Canada to save 3 places in ice dance for OG.
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    V/M are obviously second or first. It's very likely Gilles/Poirier can swing at least 11th or 12th for 3 spots, esp in London.
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    Not "at least", but quite surely no higher than that. As the results so far this season show, Zhiganshina/Gazsi and Zlobina/Sitnikov could very well be 11th and 12th in any order, leaving Gilles/Poirier just 13th. I am not sure how theese things work - would it be enough?

    As for Kaitlyn Weaver - I really, really hope that's not true. It would be very sad and disappointing for them and also for many ice dance fans :(. As for me - I so wanted to see the improved version of their FD, and whether they would manage to regain their last season position with that.
  23. Marta24

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    No,13th wouldn't be enough. In the sum the places of V/M and G/P have to be 13 or less.But,I guess if W/P won't be at Worlds P/I will get that third spot,so maybe they can enter the top 10.
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    Kaitlyn, no! Gosh this sucks really bad. I hope its just some horrible mistake.
  25. lauravvv

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    Oh, my :duh:. I counted as if W/P were there :rolleyes: :shuffle:. Thank you for explaining.
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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Really too bad for Kaitlyn and Andrew! I hope they take the time to heal so they can come back with great gusto and pizzazz in the Fall, fully healed, with fantastic programs that sparkle and show their great skills and are super entertaining and/or mesmerizing and emotional. They definitely have the "it" factor in that respect. The chemistry between these two is stunning, and they have the skills and presentation to factor into the podium with the right vehicles.

    As for rest of this season, I have to think besides the obvious with V/M in first place in Canada (by a country mile now), the next spots should be Paul/Islam and Gilles/Poirier in whatever order. On the international stage, given the current season trajectory, training environment, foundations in skating, etc of both teams, I think Paul/Islam probably have a better chance of finishing in the top 10 with clean skates than Gilles/Poirier. But there is a lot of traffic in the top 10, so we shall see.

    Thinking in groups, I think the top 5 in the world will be: V/M, D/W, P/B, C/L, B/S
    The next 5 will be: I/K, S/S, Z/G, H/D or C/B, R/T
    Then likely: Z/S, P/I, G/P

    It is possible that with clean and sparkling skates, P/I can slip into the place of the 3rd US or 3rd Russian team. That would get the job done to retain 3 spots for the Olympics for Canada - they have to finish no lower than 11th or 12th, depending on where V/M finish at Worlds.
  28. euterpe

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    Here's how Paul/Islam's and Gilles/Poirier's scores this season stack up against the #2 and #3 US teams, the #3 Russian team, Zhiganshina/Gazsi and Zlobina /Sitnikov:

    161.34 RIAZANOVA / TKACHENKO GOLD SPIN 2012
    154.56 SHIBUTANI / SHIBUTANI NHK 2012
    150.30 HUBBELL / DONOHUE FINLANDIA 2012
    149.54 CHOCK / BATES COC 2012
    148.90 ZLOBINA / SITNIKOV GOLD SPIN 2012
    147.79 CHOCK / BATES NEBELHORN 2012
    146.90 GILLES / POIRIER US INTL CLASSIC 2012
    146.03 RIAZANOVA / TKACHENKO TEB 2012
    145.23 HUBBELL / DONOHUE TEB 2012
    143.76 PAUL / ISLAM US INTL CLASSIC 2012
    143.59 ZLOBINA / SITNIKOV NEBELHORN 2012
    143.39 RIAZANOVA / TKACHENKO SC 2012
    142.00 ZHIGANSHINA / GAZSI NEBELHORN 2012
    140.91 SHIBUTANI / SHIBUTANI COR 2012
    140.54 ZHIGANSHINA / GAZSI COR 2012
    140.30 ZLOBINA / SITNIKOV TEB 2012
    139.84 CHOCK / BATES US INTL CLASSIC 2012
    137.92 PAUL / ISLAM NEBELHORN 2012
    136.74 GILLES / POIRIER SC 2012
    135.77 GILLES / POIRIER TEB 2012
    135.16 HUBBELL / DONOHUE SC 2012
    132.80 ZLOBINA / SITNIKOV SC 2012
    132.57 ZHIGANSHINA / GAZSI SA 2012
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    It might be tight, but G/P and P/I have a shot at 11th and 12th. There are eight teams definitely ahead of them: V/M, 3 RUS teams (assuming B/S, I/K, and R/T again), D/W, Shibs, P/B, and C/L. It's only going likely to be one of Hubbel/Donohue and Chock/Bates fighting for the third spot. That leaves four spots in the Top 12 for Z/G, Z/S, G/P, P/I, possibly C/J and the Reeds. Papadakis/Cizeron might be more formidable competition than Carron/Jones. Kolbe/Caruso scored in the same range as these teams at Golden Spin, but Z/G were 11th last year, and GER has only one spot. Heekin-Canedy/Dun seem to be doing comparatively better this year. Euros will be telling for them. Huang/Zheng seem to be doing worse this year.

    I don't think it's inconceivable for one or both Canadian teams to make Top 12.
  30. pani

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    Did we have more information or this is just rumors?
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    We don't have it directly from Team W/P or Skate Canada. We have the following tweet from PJ Kwong:

    I have not spoken to Kaitlyn directly but have it on good authority that it's true - more details if/when I hear​

    Of course, it's possible that her source is misinformed or that there has been a later/different medical diagnosis; however, she would not have tweeted had her source not been a good authority.
  32. pani

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    Thanks you!
    Now we need to know how seriouse this injury is. I hope Keythlin will be ready if not for 4CC, but for sure for WCh.
    All my thoughts now with this guys!
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    Wishing Katlyn a speedy recovery.
  34. Debrah

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    I am gutted for them. Also bit misty for me too, as I was so hoping to see them meet their goals in London and for them to have personal best skates in front of a supportive home crowd. Hoping they will do what is necessary for Kaitlin to heal completely and most effectively in order to be at their best for the Oly season. Hoping they will not lose their funding, esp if they can't skate at Nationals. Well on the flip side their loss may serve as an incredible learning experience for another Cdn ice dance team to get some unexpected international world experience and exposure, hoping that whoever becomes 2013 national silver and bronze medalists can both quickly step up to the challenge and the rare opportunity being presented, so that Canada can still have 3 teams in Sochi...
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    Oh no... I kept hoping that it was not so serious.
    Wishing Kaitlyn the speediest recovery, and waiting for more information. W/P are among my very favorites.
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  36. euterpe

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    Another team, Guignard/Fabbri [ITA], scored higher at Cup of China than Gilles/Poirier did at Skate Canada. And Skate Canada was G/P's higher scoring event. If Papadakis/Cizeron and G/F go to Worlds, that could make it tough for either G/P or P/I to make top 12, let alone both.
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    If Guignard has French Italian citizenship in time, then they should be formidable competition. P/C still have to make the leap into Seniors, which is a different kettle of fish. I like them a lot, much more than G/P, and hope they do well.

    G/P and P/I (or O/W) will be fighting for their spot at the Olympics in London, so it will be interesting to see how they do. Any of ITA's :mitchell: will be behind C/L. Skate Canada might have its hands full with V/M, especially if D/W beat V/M at 4C's (which I don't think will happen, but it is possible.)
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  38. Debrah

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    One must remember that Canada does not have a judge at 2013 worlds except for pairs, so all the Canadian skater's will be underdogs (esp the dancer's where Euro teams are normally favored).
  39. euterpe

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    The dance panel has judges from RUS, UKR, AZE, UZB and LTU, very favorable for the Russian teams.
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    Does anyone know if Tobias is planning to apply for Lithuanian citizenship? If she is, they'd have a good shot of qualifying in London (19 spots less 3 ea for RUS, CAN, USA and 2ea for ITA, FRA, maybe AZE or GER) with all in the Top 19 should mean Top 16 should get in, and T/S are close to the bubble. If not, they should be able to qualify at Nebelhorn easily. If she isn't trying the citizenship route, then what LTU's stake is, I'm not sure.

    I think all three RUS teams will be above CAN 2 and 3 with W/P out, and I think it would take an epic disaster for any of them to surpass V/M. I'm not sure if Russia is still pissed that Z/S sat out and are skating for AZE, but they did give Zhulin B/S, so they're not holding it against their coach. I suspect as long as Z/S are safely behind the Russian teams, Russia won't have a problem with Z/S moving past anyone else.

    It is to Russia's and the US's advantage for Canada to be down to two teams next year at Sochi and Worlds going into the Olympic season, because it keeps the younger teams aiming for the next Olympic cycle from getting experience and exposure, although it's hard to say which of the Russian teams would retire voluntarily: I/K are 18/21, B/S are 22/23, and R/T are 21/25. I know it's hard work, but if they like what they are doing and get the kind of training and material support they have now from their Federation, I can't see why they wouldn't continue as long as their bodies hold up. R/T are likely most vulnerable to the pack of juniors and Monko/Khaliavin nipping at their heels, with Sinitsina/Zhiganshin quite close score-wise with junior programs.