volosozhar/trankov

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  1. rfisher

    rfisher Satisfied skating fan

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    Go read their blog translation. I think they are very aware of what they need to do. They are level headed.
     
  2. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    They didnt win Worlds did they? And in the SP they were 3rd of the top 3 pairs who skated cleanly. And it is not like anyone can say they didnt deserve their silver this year.
     
  3. Ziggy

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    They didn't skate the SP cleanly. They made mistakes in both programs.

    And what tried to say has absolutely nothing to do with deserving or not deserving placements.

    What I tried to say was: If everybody tells you that you are amazing and the best, do you have any incentive to change (as in go beyond making what you already have more consistent)?
     
  4. Aussie Willy

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    The smart skaters know better and never just accept the platitudes and fawning. They know what they need to improve on and don't just rely on what everyone tells them.
     
  5. Ziggy

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    Well, I hope that is the case. :)
     
  6. cailuj365

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    I'm glad people are loving V/T. I truly enjoyed them at Worlds too and hope they bring something even better next year.
     
  7. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Are you mocking Plushenko again? :shuffle:
     
  8. Ziggy

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    :D
     
  9. Jackie Sparrow

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    I'd like to add my two cents and join the gush fest :)

    Tatiana is the empress of pairs skating! Not only because she's such an amazing skater but also because she's a really lovely person with no diva attitude.

    Maksim as well as Tatiana are extremely happy with their partnership, for one because they finally have partners that are equally talented and especially in Maksim's case, because he's got a great team that appreciates him.

    Maksim absolutely adores Tatiana. If he hadn't teamed up with her, he probably would have quit.

    I do understand your concerns but I believe in their case they are unnecessary. Tatiana has been told for years how great she is and still she has zero diva attitude; she is a very modest person.
    I wouldn't call Maksim modest :p but he is very realistic, if not even a tad pessimistic. I am sure their feet will stay on the ground or someone will make sure they keep their feet on the ground :D
     
  10. zilam98

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  11. blue_idealist

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    G/G and V/T are both excellent pairs but I don't think they're at all the same. V/T are much more athletic than G/G.. the difference is mainly in Tatiana I think.. she's more of a powerhouse on the ice while Gordeeva was little and graceful (although one could call her a powerhouse in her own way). V/T have a connection but not really the same romantic connection as G/G since they're not romantically involved, furthermore, when would you ever see G/G doing a Super Mario Bros. exhibition? Never!
     
  12. Ziggy

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  13. briancoogaert

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    Absolutely ! There's no comparison, except that both pairs are good looking and with good lines. :)
     
  14. zilam98

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    i didnt say i made the comparison :p i just put the link to the article stating such. but hey, any good publicity for v/t aint too bad.
     
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  15. rfisher

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    No, you did not, and thank you for posting the link. :)
     
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    I actually think there's just as big of a difference if not more between Trankov and Sergei. Trankov as a skater is far more like Dimtriev than he is like Sergei. But I'm not so sure the article was directly comparing them to G/G as saying they can be a return to that standard.

    Whenever pairs are compared to G/G I take it with a grain of salt, I think its more like your great lets compare you to the greatest ever. I think V/T have a ways to go to be as good as G/G are. But I actually think they have potential to be one of the greats.

    Ziggy, I think the as far as the judges/everyone else is concerned its hard not to get excited about this pair. Pairs skating has frankly suffered for a long time I think. I mean we haven't had a new team this good since S/S. And how long ago was it since S/S debuted. And I think its far more fair to compare them to S/S when S/S were around. I think its hard for the judges/fans not to be excited. This is a team with already amazing technical elements, who are beautifully matched/gorgeous skaters.

    The judges gave them high scores- and fairly so! But they were put in 3rd in the short, and only 2nd in the free. I highly doubt they want to remain fighting for second forever, so I have a hard time thinking improvements won't be made. And those improvements are absolutely possible.
     
  17. blue_idealist

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    For some reason V/T remind me of Bechke/Petrov right now. Maybe it's just because they went for programs without complex choreography this season though.
     
  18. judgejudy27

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    I do feel a bit sorry for Maria Mukhortova. I imagine she is a bit deflated by all this.
     
  19. Aussie Willy

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    If a pair doesn't work out then it doesn't work out. But what can you do.

    I think we could be heading into another good era of pairs skating. We had it with G&G, M&D and B&E, and then with B&S, S&P and S&Z. Now we have S&S and V&T. I am really looking forward to the next few years.
     
  20. viv

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    I don't, regarding all that happened between her and Maxim. I think he can be happy to have gotten rid of her and Vasiliev!
     
  21. judgejudy27

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    Well I am glad he left her and is having so much success now and in the future after all I heard. Plus I enjoy Volosozhar & Trankov together way more than Mukhortova & Trankov. They never seemed to have the chemistry, there was a cold quality to them as a pair, for whatever reason their elements seem small compared to V/T, and Vasiliev's choreography has been pretty boring so far in his coaching career. Still I do feel a bit sorry for her all the same. She is a fine pairs skater, it would be nice to see her also have some future success.
     
  22. briancoogaert

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    It's not because it works better with someone else that you are bad.
    Anyway, you talk about "cold" from the pair Mukhortova&Trankov. But honestly, the cold aspect came more from Maria than Maxim ! ;)
     
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  23. viv

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    :rofl: Definitely!
     
  24. Finnice

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    The concept of the Lady and Hooligan FS was great, but it was frustrating to see him acting the part and she being just cold. I would love to see V/T skating to similar kind of a music and story, because now their expressieveness is in the same level.
     
  25. jenji124

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    Is there a link to the blog? I must have missed it somewhere along the way
     
  26. sarakimm

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    I totally agree!!! He looked so trapped and unhappy with Murkhortova. Now he looks so happy and relaxed. I was ecstatic to see how beautifully they skated at Worlds.
     
  27. sarakimm

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    During the LA Worlds, she was so terribly disdainful and downright mean to Trankov during practices. I sat in the crowd near her and Vasiliev later in the competition and she never once had a pleasant expression. I am glad Trankov escaped all that negativity.
     
  28. zilam98

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    i just cant believe how some people can be so negative as though there's nothing funny or pleasant with what's around them at all. i am working with someone like that (bitch this, bitch that, blah, blah, blah) time to time and i just tune her out of my day or else i get sucked into that black hole.
     
  29. julieann

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    Trankov dished out just as much as he took. Their past coaches dump them because of their constant bickering, Moskvina and Dmitriev included. Trankov could have walked at any time and choose to stay for whatever reason. Actually he waited for years until the partner he really wanted was available. Has anyone even heard from Moody Maria since nationals? I don't recall her being so mean when she was consoling him in the K&C after his devistating fall at the Olympics.

    He got what he wanted and is happy as clam but I think it may be a little bit too soon to make him a saint.
     
  30. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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