Volosozhar/Trankov blog translates

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  1. Knigolubka

    Knigolubka New Member

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    It's not like she/her federation could've afforded a first-class choreographer for a junior. At least she'll be noticed because her choreo is done by a currently top-rate skater.
    Thanks for the link though, I've missed this entry. Indeed it seems he's doing the actual choreo.

    Weell, to be honest he skated for what he didn't like constantly when he was paired with Mukhortova, so no wonder he wants to have more choice now. Plus it's not like Maxim himself is a talentless skater with no artistry whatsoever. They both gain a lot from the partnership, IMO.
  2. rfisher

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    This. And as a result of his new found "freedom", I think he's doing a lot of experimenting. I also think he'll refine his choreography with time. Last season he was excited about their SP music and working with a modern dancer. However, he realized and acknowledged, the original plan wasn't working. They modified the SP considerably by Worlds, but were stuck with the basic program. I think he has good ideas and will be able to develop them over time. Consider Steuer. His programs for S/S are sometimes hit and miss, but overall he's really improved with time. He also benefits with having a pair team that is able to take those edgy programs and perform them well (his other teams not so much).

    It always cracks me up when FSU posters get all :drama: about Morosov choreography and can't figure out why anybody would use it. If I were a skater and I wanted to win, I wouldn't hesitate one second to use a Morosov program. Which is why he has all the business he can handle. I suspect most don't give a rat's patootie about his personal life. Or even that the programs aren't as aesthetic as others. They only care that if they execute the elements well, the judges will score them higher than the competition because the program is structured to get points. Fans may care, but the bottom line is winning the comp. Or it would be for me if I'd invested the amount of time and money it takes to become an elite skater. Thus, I don't fault any skater for using Morosov as a choreographer or even as a coach. I'm willing to give Trankov the benefit of the doubt that he'll go the Steuer route in the future rather than the Morosov route and hopefully he'll have skaters like S/S who can take that choreography and make it amazing. After all, he and Tatiana haven't done too badly with "crappy" Morosov choreography thus far. :)
  3. Proustable

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    rfisher, the point is that people don't think the program SHOULD be getting the points Morosov's programs often do. The

    Duhamel/Radford at Worlds had three level four lifts, and one level three, unless I'm reading the protocols wrong, so I don't know what he's talking about there.
  4. TAHbKA

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    Probably about Radford's broken nose...
  5. rfisher

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    Well, the judges seem to think so, and since their's is the opinion that determines the winner of a comp, I'd go with them if I were a skater. :lol:
  6. Proustable

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    Yeah, cause internet skating fans never complain about the judges....

    Of course you're correct - the judges think so, so it makes sense to continue going to him for choreography (ditto to Lori Nichol, who alse gets her fair share of complaints).
  7. Ziggy

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    His programs are always complex. Some a little less than others obviously but I don't remember Steuer ever doing a basic, simple program.

    Yes, I know all that. I'd rather skaters had good choreography instead of Morozov's shit, though.

    And I would like the judges to reward complex programs and mark down the basic ones instead of judging on auto-pilot.
  8. rfisher

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    I'd like Steuer to chorograph for them as well, but he never gave V/M the same quality he gave S/S (probably because he knew very well Stas couldn't execute the elements). So, I expect V/T will go to Morozov for at least one of their programs through Sochi. And when they are on, it won't matter. Their free at 2012 Worlds was magnificent.
  9. aliceanne

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    I believe Morozov when he says he will be done with His top team if they don't medal. Commitment is not a word in his vocabulary. His reputation is built on producing quick results and seizing opportunity, not loyalty. He is great at packaging and re-packaging skaters, but as a skater I would hate to have to rely on him in the season leading up to the Olympics.
  10. rfisher

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    Since that's not actually what he said (read the subsequent clarification), what do you believe then?
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    What are you talking about ?????, you are interpreting a translation by TAHbKA on a interview given to russian press. TAHbKA herself has commented on the subject, please read that interview.
  12. martyross

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    sure skaters want to win. but thanks to people like Morozov and Nichol this sport is becoming boring and meaningless. watching what skaters like Amodio do on the ice, i even start to wonder if figure skating should be considered an Olympic sport.
    judges reward crap, and since Morozov is Russian, i don't expect things to change any time soon.
  13. hanca

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    Speak for yourself. I enjoy the sport.
  14. julieann

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    I think you are being dramatic; and the season hasn't even really started yet. Enjoy your youtube videos from the 80's. :rolleyes:
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    Lyrical or Sexy? The whole truth about the new programmes

    Hello our beloved readers. Soon the GP series will start in the USA. We are as ready as we should be. Follow us!Today we'll tell you about our first competition this season.

    M: We participated the Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf - quite a popular B event among the skaters. Many participate it to test the new programmes, to get into the competitive mood. Besides, it's where the judges exams take place, so there are many specialists who can give the needed feedback.

    T: Next year Oberstdorf will be an olympic qualifier. For those who didn't get a spot at the worlds. All and all this event is considered the most serious among the B events.

    M: We are satisfied with our skate: we gained a decent amount of points for the first competition. It's not our limit. The lifts were given a 3rd level, we missed levels on the spins. We didn't put too much effort in our FS: we didnt' take risks, were calm. It was decided to go for the lower levels - it's not what we were looking for in that point of time.

    T: The first competition is always hard. Add the fact Oberstdorf is in the mountains. We made many mistakes in the SP. The nervers: we missed competing so much and wanted to show all we want so badly that we made mistakes.

    M: We checked the FS costumes - during the test skates we didn't wear costumes at all. We were comfortable, the crowd liked it, the feedback was positive. The programmes were received positively, which is a good thing too. Reckon have we skated the SP cleanly it would be received much more positively.

    T: BTW, I haven't heard anyone really hating our music choice. There are a few people who dislike it. I guess it's partly because there 3 "Godfathers' in the Russian team: ours, Davankova/Deputat's and Riazanova/Tkachenkos'. We all use different arrangements though.

    M: WE keep repeating we dont' take this music for a soundtrack with the famous story to tell. Not at all! We didn't attempt to depict mafia! There were all those jokes :Don Trnakov, TRanchello etc. It's funny indeed. But it doesn't mean much - we take that music as a beautiful blues. I'm trying to show a person who likes women, an italian fashionista, Tanya is a gorgeous woman in an evening dress.
    Our characters are flirting with each other. We wanted to skate a sexy programme that would make people smile again and again. See what the pairs usually do: either they skate some lyrical snot: skating slowly and femininely showing how much they love each other. Or the opposite - take some fun music and just do the elements to it. It's not our case. -то веселую музыку и задорно выполняют элементы. Это не про нас.
    Every time we are trying to be different, we are not looking for the easy way. Our programme is a dance, we even use some ice dance elements. I'm happy the audience understands us: I read on the internet: `that's sex!' `what a great sexy programme!' Spot on!

    T: You might wonder why the `Godfather' - there are plenty other good melodies. There are several reasons: first of all we really like the melody - it is well known, genious. And it's a blues.

    M: Secondly all the non NA pairs who are attempting to skate the blues look funny. If not all - most of them. We think it's more or less the same when the Americans or the Canadians are trying to depict the Russian soul in the Russian dance. We wanted to skate to a blues but not look like clowns. So we chose a music which we think is a bit less NA.

    T: We met Stephane Lambiel in Oberstdorf. He liked our programmes.

    M: The only thing he disliked was my haircut, while he said Tanya is smashing in the SP.

    T: When Tanya will skate with the dress she skated in the show it'll be great. It's the same, but purple rather than red. We think it looks more expensive.

    That;'s it for now, thank you for reading us and following figure skating. Till soon! Stay healthy!
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  17. rfisher

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    I hope this means Max listened to Stephane regarding the haircut. :lol: Lyrical snot always makes me laugh.
  18. volotrankov

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    can someone take me a doubt?

    They basicly say they show relationship of man-women, but not in a classical way, not in a boring way, always the same way. they want to show love, but in a sexy way, with originality and edge.

    Is that it?

    PS. Thanks in advance for the help and for the translation!
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    Sorry for the long delay and here are translations:

    The home judges took mercy on us
    Hello everyone!
    We are training towards the GPF full time. We will leave a bit early to learn the place and get used to the olympic ice. We haven't changed our working attitude to the SP: it worked fine so far. The LP on the other hand we work much more on. We want to show what can we do with it in front of the home crowd.

    Tanya: we haven't written for a while, so first let us tell you about the USA event. It took a long time to fly to the USA and we were surprised to learn the time difference with Seattle is 11 hours. We were not able to skate a clean SP. We later thought what was the reason for such a bad skate. It seems there were several. The competition schedule was very inconvenient.

    Maksim: Right, the practice before the LP was over at 18:00 and an hour later we had to leave from the hotel to the competition. We were not ready for that. The SP was something of the kind.

    Tanya: In general the organization in the USA was so so. Instead of the warm up area some small corner where we could not practice lifts and split twists. The athletes were laughing and taking photos of that disgrace.

    Maksim: Tanya and I found a nice corner near Zamboni and warmed up there. But let's be true: the ice rink was decent, the audience received everyone very warmly. The specialists liked our programmes despite the mistakes we made.

    Tanya: Seattle is a nice city. Our coach, the Czech skater Michal Brezina and us had some time to walk before the competition. We climbed the famous tour and saw the market. In the evening we had a nice dinner.

    Maksim: In general no matter how the competition goes we see it as a positive experience which will certainly help us in the future.

    Tanya: after the failure in the SP in the USA we changed the preparation process and skated the SP well in Russia. Unfortunately the LP fell apart. I reckon we were not focused. We really wanted to repeat the Worlds in Moscow success in front of the home audience. We were not able to deliver the coordination elements. The rest - the lifts, split twist, todes - received level 4 and positive GOE. It's a good thing.

    Maksim: We were critisized a lot for the high marks for a bad skate. We think the judges took mercy on us, perhaps for our past success. Besides, we indeed have a very difficult programme and perform most of the elements in the 2nd part of the programme. That saved us. We'd like to prove our status of the champions with clean skates in the future. We want to be worthy of our placement.

    Tanya: Skating home is not as easy as it seems. It's an additional pressure. In that sense the Moscow competition is a very valuable experience - the Olympics 2014 will be a home competition as well for us. The GPF being in Sochi is a very good thing for us.

    Maksim: After the exhibition in CoR we went to the closing party, where Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir, the most decorated athletes among us, gave a speech. They gave a beautiful speech thanking Moscow for a great organization. Scott mentioned Russia was very welcoming. Tessa said `Thank you and Good night' in Russian in the end.

    Tanya: The canadians are really nice guys, we are very fond of them - we've known them since the junior competitions. Tessa is very calm, well organized and not exactly a partying type, while Scott is a very fun guy.

    Maksim: After the party there was an unofficial after party in a bar where all the athletes were invited. There were the current event competitors and some retired skaters as well. Alexey Rogonov plays in a band and they were playing there. It was a lot of fun, we will take those positive emotions for the future work.

    Tanya: We;ll work harder and try never to disappoint those who root for us. Thank you very much for your support and for loving us.


    Till soon, stay well!
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    Palm trees, ice and sun
    Hello everyone! We are in Sochi and will take the `Aisberg' arena ice soon with our SP. We like the ice rink a lot. The weather is nice and sunny, the sea is near and the spirits are high. More about it next time, let us tell you now how were we preparing to the GPF.

    Maksim: After the failure in the Moscow GP event we rewatched our skate closely. I understood my mistakes and realized when the male partner is uncertain the female partner can feel it. We made a mistake in the first element and it just went down from there.

    Tanya: I have to say we were not yet completely comfortable with our LP by then yet. It's a very difficult programme, we never skated anything like before and didn't realize yet how to work on that. We tried different approaches and hope it will work in the GPF - we worked so much. For example, right after the CoR we went to the ice and started working , while normally we'd take a short holiday. It was a week from hell. Our coach Nina Mikhailovna Mozer gave us a super difficult plan, but we did it 100% and managed to avoid injuries. We are satisfied with going into the the GPF fight for gold with good mood.

    Maksim: Andres Liepa came to our rink once. He saw us working. We were introduced, took photos with him and he presented us a DVD with a movie about his father and invited to his concert. Tanya and I love ballet, so it was especially nice. I think it's an art n.1 I'm always thrilled with the way people can tell a story through the dance. Perm where I was born is the 3rd biggest ballet centre in Russia after Moscow and St. Petersburg: you see, during the WWII all the Mariinski theatre was evacuated to Perm. Half of the group remained there after the war. I understand a bit in ballet, my favourite is the `Swan Lake'. I love `Giselle' and `Don Quixote'. I can rewatch them many times.

    Tanya: We loved Andres' show. The first part was `Scheherezada' where the main characters were performed by Nikolai Tsiskaridze. Ilze Liepa and Andres himself. We really want to work with him, but it will not happen soon: we are trying to reach different goals right now

    Maksim: There is a whole story how he came to our rink at the first place. Apparently we use the same masseur: Jorje. The guy who were lucky to find in the USA and invited to work in Moscow. He works on our rink. Andres came to see him

    Tanya: Jorje is a magician and an amazing specialist. He've lived for about 20 years in the USSR where his father was a diplomat, he speaks Russian really well, which is important for us. He is blind and can feel with his fingers where the problem is.

    Maksim: Jorje's methods are unique, he studied under the best doctors, manuals and masseours and combining all that huge knowledge he created his own unique method. He saved Tanya and I - no one could help us before we met him

    Tanya: In 10 sessions Jorje solved Maksim's problem! Unbelievable! He not only helps us, but other athletes as well - he never says no.

    Maksim: Let us answer the most popular question to finish the entry: Why were we skating the Snow storm in the Cup Of Russia exhibition. And why didn't we perform any jumps nor throws. The Snow Storm is our first ever exhibition number, it was choreographed by Alexandr Zhulin. We were supposed to skate it on one of his shows, which, unfortunately, never happened. It was a shame to throw all that work away and we skated it in Russian nationals. I remember how much it was liked by the audience and before the GP in Russia in the internet we were asked to skate the Snow Storm. There were no jumps nor throws in that programme at the first place and we decided not to interfere Zhulin's choreography and not change a thing there.

    Tanya: this year we focused a lot on the SP and the LP, but didn't have any time left for the exhibition. We still have to do that. We'll participate the Art on Ice after the Europeans. We have some ideas and Nikolai Morozov is thinking about it. So expect something new.

    In the mean while - root for our team in Grand Prix Final! Good luck to all!
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    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Thanks Tanya :)

    Erm, I think this would be a perfect goal going into the Olympics!
  25. Finnice

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    Thanks, TAHbKA!
    Those blogs sound a bit ironical afterwards. Good that they nailed the revamped FS in the Russian Nationals.
  26. ilovenyc

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    Have they ever said anything about retirement after Sochi or if they still want to continue beyond that?
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    She said they will probaly skate for a couple of years and then see. I bet they take they year off from competition and then skate the Olympic year in 2018. It will probaably depend on the other teams and health.
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    I read in several places them saying they might go on till 2018, but am clueless whether they were asked several times and gave the same answer each time or were there 490758394759 articles based on the same press conf.
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    I would be beyond happy if they would stay healthy and continue to compete towards 2018! :) they found each other so late that it would be a shame if they only skated for these few years.