Virtue ~ Moir n. 20. L’amour est un oiseau rebelle

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  1. bmcg

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    I watched this the other day and am convinced it's the inspiration for K&O's Carmen.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-AQ6HzBkmI
     
  2. pani

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    Very interesting. Maybe you are right. cant stop watching this - such unusuall movement.
    But in second part i see something from R-K Carmen :D
     
  3. bmcg

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    I haven't see the R&K version but the ballet I linked to is choreographed by Mats Ek (Swedish choreographer) in 1992 so wouldn't be surprised that R&K might have used that as well. When did they do their program?
     
  4. martyross

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    wow. breathtaking. this really captures the essence of Carmen! eros and thanatos! i hope they'll wear similar costumes and use the same track.
    bmcg, are you a ballet expert, by chance?
     
  5. pani

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    In 1997
     
  6. bmcg

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    Not at all. Just stumbled across it while looking at videos on youtube. When I saw this I thought it had to be the inspiration for K&O´s program. So many similarities between the two.

    So was it a professional program? I think they retired from amateur competition by then right?
     
  7. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I posted a link to R&K above, here it is again: http://www.mediafire.com/?d4bd64yao6j554z It's an "FD" from a professional comp.

    One thing I will give credit to R&K for is they used a very classical orchestration and it's very difficult to do that when portraying such a different style of movement.

    I agree about the lines but I was thinking more along the lines of Tessa being so OTT dramatic. :lol:
     
  8. martyross

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    maybe who knows, the program is so modern that it ends with Tessa putting on mascara and Scott stabbing Cinquanta :D
     
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  9. pani

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    :lol::yikes:
     
  10. iggie

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    :lol: fixed
     
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  16. martyross

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    I'll do it..
     
  17. frisette70

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    Love the program until the end when the music change for Tosca(i think)...:huh: I don't think it goes well with once upon a time in the west. I was hoping for her posture to be better with the change of coach...:(
     
  18. pani

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    Original FD was without this changing of music, but TAT said - no and they made chages :(
    But i really love body moves in this FD - so unusual. And i think they look better, then before.
    Sometime i feel sad V-M and Zhulin couldnt work together.
     
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  19. frisette70

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    Tat!! :lynch:

    Zhulin did a fantastic job, i think it's their best program ever for sure. To bad about the change of music at the end. It feels strange to me.
     
  20. IoanaC

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    Wonderful. Tarasova's meddling is killing the Russian ice-dancers. This needs to stop. Does anyone there ever say NO to her??

    B/S look a bit improved, and I love the way he moves. And his haircut!:)
     
  21. pani

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    Plus she said to Ryazanova-Tkachenko not to use FD on "Pink Ployd" "Hey you" and gave them "Godfather" soundtrack :(
     
  22. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Ok so who bribed TAT, USFS or Skate Canada? She is so infuriating!
     
  23. martyross

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    probably it's just her bad, ancient taste...as you can see in recent programs done for single skaters...not to mention what she calls costumes! a true horror gallery
    the change of music in B/S FD is a drag for us fans, but what will count in the end will be skating skills and levels. it's too bad btw, because the first part with the harmonica tune was interesting. :((((
     
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    TAT needs to stop meddling with all of the ice dance teams.

    I wish too that V/M could work with Zhulin at least once. If not on a competetive piece, then maybe an exhibition piece at some point would be nice.
     
  26. IoanaC

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    I had never seen Rahkamo & Kokko's exhibition and I love it! Original choreography, great choice of music cuts - avoiding the obvious ones, but still conveying the passion and the drama of the story. The ending is maybe too theatrical, but apart from that, I think it's the most interesting "Carmen" I've seen in figure skating. Not the most popular opinion here, I realize that...:)
     
  27. iggie

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    thanks!

    :cool:

    the list currently looks like:

    Moiseeva/Minenkov, 1977 Worlds exhibition
    Bestiamanova/Bukin, 1985 Europeans
    Krylova/Leliukh, 1989 SkateElectric
    Volozhinskaya/Svinin, 1990 World Challenge of Champions
    Rhakamo/Kokko, 1997 World Challenge of Champions
    Kylova/Ovsiannakov, 1998 Worlds
    Usova/Platov, 2000 exhibition
    Lang/Tchernshev, 2002 Olympics
    Humphreys/Baranov, 2002 Olympics
    Winkler/Lohse - 2002 World Championships
    Navka/Kostamarov, 2006 Olypmics
    Zadorozhniuk/Verbillo, 2008 Cup of China
    Sforza/Fioretti, 2012 Junior Worlds
     
  28. iggie

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    does anyone know a bit ... or a lot... about carmen in ballet? i'd like to ask you a question.
     
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    the question i have is more about the major ballet interpretations of carmen.

    there's roland petit but what else was huge or definitive?