Virtue ~ Moir n. 20. L’amour est un oiseau rebelle

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by martyross, Sep 8, 2012.

  1. girlscouse62

    girlscouse62 Active Member

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    Thanks so much for the links. For me, I love Latin, not a big fan of polka, but love waltz. I liked P/B SD better than W/P SD, but not by much. With time, it looks like all SD's will be great to watch.
  2. The Accordion

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    :lol:
    spoken like a true fan who has sat through wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too many of them!

    I also love the short dances this year so far! Pleasant surprise!
  3. marikat

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  4. pani

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    Yes, cant wait next week-end ;)
    I think V-M will made some media stuff before and during SC. But i just wish to see there programs so bad :rollin:

    As for SD/ I am not sure yet. I think i like Kriengkrairut/Giulietti-Schmitt, Ralf-Hill, Sinitsina-Zhiganshin, Hubbel-Donahue "Titanik" idea for SD and i like Bobrova-Soloviev music from old Soviet movies :) And P-B SD look promising. I only dont like slow cancan. Zlobina-Sitnikov have werid polka, but they made it work (IMHO).
    But i cant say i am in love with SD. But i wasnt last season, but in Nice SDs look funny and interesting to watch for me. :)

    I could say i dont like Monko-Khalyvin SD, because polka didnt suit them at all. And i dont like W-P SD. I hate it. Maybe because of music. Shpilband team from Poland have "Sound of the music" in SD and only two melodies and i think it work better.
  5. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    Oh.... Look like the same music cut with C-L :(
    Thanks!

    Did you notice this? Scott Moir Former Partners Jackie Mascarin? Didnt saw this before.
    And now Scott 1,72 and i thought he is 1,75, like Charlie :)
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  6. lauravvv

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    Hopefully not exactly the same. 'Carmen Suite' is long. Part of it can be the same, and part - something else.
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  7. pani

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    С-L music cut sound like traditional and good music cut for ice dance.
    How they all could know about each other music choice? :lol:
  8. martyross

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    'Start of the season' est un oiseau rebelle...
  9. marikat

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  10. pani

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  11. lauravvv

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    Could it really be that Scott's problem is more serious than they said, and they won't be able to compete at Skate Canada, so they've decided not to compete at Cup of Russia either :confused: :(? Hopefully we'll know soon, and it's just some kind of mistake.
  12. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    In the US, even skaters who are byed through to Nationals have to register for the regionals/sectionals qualifying events, even though they won't actually be skating in them. My guess is that this is some sort of paperwork thing.
  13. pani

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    This list was made today :( Maybe this is Scotts injury, wich is more serious :(
  14. pani

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    But they never did this before.....
  15. lavenderblue

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    Patrick Chan is also registered for Central Ontario Sectionals, so in other words my guess would also be paperwork.
  16. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    There you go. Mere formality.
  17. pani

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    When Central Ontario Sectionals will be held?
  18. lavenderblue

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    November 1-4, the weekend between Skate Canada and CoR, and I suspect Chan's not spending his inter-GP downtime on a Sectionals event for which he has a bye.
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    We need a voice of reason here, to keep us from worrying to death until SC. Thank you, Lavenderblue.:)
    Hopefully Scott is okay by now and training normally.
  20. pani

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    But not in the same time with CoR ;)

    After all there withdrawall history....
  21. l'etoile

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    I just grasped my breathe at the sectional news. Hope it's only some paperwork. I don't think I can bear another injury-plagued, suffering season of V/M's as much as they wouldn't want to.
  22. pani

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    Agree with you - its so hard.
    So will hope all will be OK.
  23. Golightly

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    Calm down. Must be a Skate Canada thing.

    In other news, I am happy the went for Rodion Shchedrin's suite. I do not care if C-L are also using it. Let's see, they are using Ouverture, Habanera, Intermezzo, and the Finale. I see Tessa and Scott using the Dance instead. Sure, some cuts will be the same, but I don't know, I see them using the Dance as the main theme.
  24. Shayii

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    Thanks. Is this the same one C/L are using? I'm not excited about this battle of the carmens anymore.

    I think they will be at Skate Canada.

    ETA: How are we over 600 posts lol
  25. pani

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    Why?
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    Lol I'm not sure. Sometimes I say things without really thinking about it, but I don't like the idea that they're both using the suite; I can't say precisely why I feel that way.
  27. pani

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    They could use different music cut. And at Lasy WCH they even wasnt in the same warm-up in FD ;) Lokk, like we forget about this.

    They could use this music cut
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju_RarH3rk

    Did you notice W-P isnt in the list at Sectionals
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  28. Golightly

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    Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking.
  29. Shayii

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    Thanks for posting that video it was so good and I liked the music arrangement too. Anyways remember when I said awhile back that if both teams had similar music arrangement I probably wouldn't think it was a coincidence anymore? Well I was joking when I said that, but now I'm not so sure anymore.

    And stop that! They will be at Skate Canada!
  30. pani

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    Yes, its hard to not thinking about this couldnt be coincidence. Look like C-L try to give music information first, because they thought V-M will change there plans after that. And some information about V-M Carmen were in italiian blog.
    But honestly i more worry about V-M will compete. One friend of mine said - it could be very nad for C-L to skate V-M FD, because they will look worst, then they are.
  31. Golightly

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    I think they will compete, in fact, I am sure they will. I understand why you are worried, but there are three key competitions at home this season and I doubt Scott's injury is that bad.

    As for C-L using Carmen, I have said before that I think this was not a coincidence and I stand by my opinion.
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    You know , guys , I like Anna and Luca very much and have very often liked their short programs , whether OD or SD..but sometimes haven't been so fond of their FDs ( some yes , some no ).

    Though I like some moves , some sections in their Carmen , I can't say the program as a whole excites me. It just seems very generic to me. (I loved their La Strada , and think it will always stand out in my mind more.)

    Knowing the emotional power V/M can bring to a program , and knowing that they are greater technicians than C/L..I just can't imagine that V/M will be the ones to suffer from any comparison . I think this will end up looking like a poor choice for C/L.

    We'll see very soon now , at SC .. but I'm starting to get more intrigued by the annual "What will Tessa wear ?" games.;)

    ETA : Golightly..I wish I could think you're wrong .. but I wouldn't bet against you ...sadly.
  33. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Let's all keep in mind that even if it's not a coincidence, C&L didn't necessarily know about it (I'm not saying anyone is accusing them of anything). Could be that Igor and Marina were working with the Carmen idea in the early stages, and after they split, he suggested it to C&L and they loved it, having no idea V&M had been considering it.
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  34. pani

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    C-L said at FT, they work on another idea in FD at first.
    This is coaches war, not skaters. But i feel bad for skaters, because coaches couldnt separate buisness from there relationships with each other. Dont think this will play well for Igor, because he did this.
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    He did?

    How can anyone possibly know that?

    Besides, it doesn't really matter since we do expect each team will be judged on their own skating, right? I'm kind of looking forward to the two Carmens this season. :)
  36. flowerpower

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    V/M haven't done sectionals for many, many years. I can't imagine them skating at sectionals now. They'd certainly never skate sectionals as a substitute for CoR.

    W/P are technically Northern Ontario skaters, not Western Ontario. I don't think all sections necessarily place "bye'd" skaters on their entry lists, some may, some may not. It could even vary season to season, depending on who inputs the list. I wouldn't read anything into it.
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    To clarify: I am not saying C-L were in on it, they probably did not know. This is between Igor and Marina.
  38. martyross

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    thank you so much, flowerpower!
  39. Pratfall

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    Here's the thing with the two Carmens .. Whoever had the idea , I don't think it was wise.

    Given that C/L were working in Canton before the split , it's quite possible that they and people around them could know or at least have heard strong rumours of V/M's choice.

    So what's the best the lower placed team could hope for ? They're not going to be seen as better than V/M under any circumstances..because they're not as good.. so it seems to me the best they can hope for is to catch a bit of a tailwind off V/M by setting up a false equivalency. This could also backfire big time.

    Of course the skaters are going to be judged on their skating , but we all know that perceptions still count , though to a lesser degree , under CoP. There's a chance that it could take the shine off V/M's program a bit , but I doubt that would be to C/L's benefit. It might give a slight advantage to D/W , if anything ( just because D/W's program could seem more unique ), while C/L could wind up looking like a poor imitation.

    I never understand the logic in these situations , but if it was me ,even in the case of coincidence, I'd maybe go back to the original idea, rather than get caught up in this kind of scenario. If I really had a burning desire to use Carmen , I'd save it for another season.

    It's not really the same as most cases of just coincidentally picking the same music . In this case , Carmen has such a well known story, it comes with the music. So the two portrayals will be compared.

    Like pani , it makes me feel bad for the skaters.
  40. pani

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    You could call me crazy, but i think C-L could try to show they are much better actors, then V-M. Especially, when so many people thinking Tessa couldnt do Carmen well. But Anna is the star. So it could be coaches thought, why to give C-L the same program with V-M.
    But i never could underatnd, why this teams couldnt took different music arragment.