Virtue/Moir #24: We Like it Hot

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  1. martyross

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  2. Golightly

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    I don't find the ending cheesy at all, I liked it. It goes well with the theme, I think and these guys actually sell it. I think that's why they can do stuff like that, same with the new Carmen lift. Who else can attempt something like that? Not many teams today.

    I was also thinking the other that to do the things they do in Carmen, the level of trust you need to have with your partner must be immense. There are things they do there that are very intimate and the only way it works and it doesn't look fake or awkward is if both skaters trust each other. Again, take that final lift, that's VERY difficult to do. Not just the lift itself, but the characterization. It sure must be fascinating to see them discuss and prepare a program.
  3. rainbowkisses

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    im kinda afraid they wont win 4cc because i rewatched the fd and it seems they have a few kinks to sort out in the step sequence. this is why i miss the original one :( at least they're on the right track tho
  4. IoanaC

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    Yes. You summed it up perfectly.:)

    Pani, I agree with you about today's SD. I'm actually in Zagreb, so I got to watch it live. And I was convinced once more that things can be very different from seeing the programs on TV. I thought the placements were very correct. The crowd booed Anna and Luca's marks, but the truth is their skating skills are clearly inferior to those of the two Russian teams, no matter how charming the Italians are. I love their SD, it's one of my favourites this season, but I found it more exciting on TV than in the rink. The scores were overall very high, but I guess the judges are trying to slowly bridge the gap between V/M and D/W and the rest of the pack, so that they can build up anticipation for the competition in Sochi. I kept comparing all the teams I watched today to Tessa and Scott, but... really, no one can compare to them!:D
  5. Golightly

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    Really? I thought those were their best SS this season? :confused:

    What do you think doesn't work? The old D. seq. was nowhere near as polished, though I, too, liked it better. The one I love now is the circular one. It's gorgeous. I honestly think this program is ready. They just need to skate it well.
  6. rainbowkisses

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    http://youtu.be/LS9HFO-vgG8
    for example, the changes they made at 2:41 (where she grazes his arm) looks so out of place and it also bugs me that the steps before the second to last lift arent that in tune with the music as they were. i just feel like the excitement that came before the lift is lost. when they premiered this dance it was so passionate, complex and distinct and now i feel its more subdued. i hope they will fix it since they are working on timing
  7. Proustable

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    I'm not sure I agree, rainbowkisses, but more than that, I don't see the footwork holding them/this skate back at all.

    The moment you mention.... the sheer longing they convey in that moment is beautiful. Scott's hand on his heart, facing away from her. The light touch. It's the last time in this dance where love is unencumbered by any destructive force. Even as the softness ends, their movement becomes slightly sharper (watch how Tessa's hand snakes up the side of his head).
  8. Golightly

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    Exactly. I don't know if I'm alone, but I think it's now even more passionate!

    I felt as if I were watching it for the first time. I was mesmerized.
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    Thank you for putting into words my feelings about that moment of the dance. There's just something about it that just got me.

    Golightly, I also feel that the dance is more passionate now.

    I also agree that the dance is really getting there. At this point, it just needs a bit more polishing and cleaning up. Really, the list of things that need to be fine tuned is very short and really no big deal for V/M--practice the spin, make sure the timing of the lifts is correct, polish the steps. They have the PCS side down for this dance. Unlike this time last year, the SD is set. They are going to be ready.
  10. bbkenn

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    This^^^. I also think it was passionate, sensual and on a whole different plain altogether from the GPF. I LOVED it even more!
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    I couldn't agree more. It somehow does feel more passionate which I don't think any of us thought was possible. I thought this FD was near perfection from the get go and didn't want them to change a thing, goes to show I really know nothing and they are brilliant because IMO this version is better than anything I could've ever dreamt up. It really was like watching it for the first time. So much to take in, so many details and I feel the same about the SD it's like they are brand new it's amazing.
  12. Golightly

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    In the final lift, I don't know how that flip even happens and then, when she wraps her legs about him, she half turns and looks towards the judges with such an expression on her face? And then the expression on his face when she's arching her back? And then she thrashes her head from side to side. It's unbelievable. And all that time they're doing this, you're not thinking about the lift itself, you're thinking about the concept. That's what's so brilliant about it. What's even more impressive is that it's all in time with the music and oh my god, now I want them to win everything. It's the kind of dance that should win everything there is. You forget they are skating. I'm rambling again, sorry.
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    I have one question regarding the last rotational lift. At Skate Canada when Tessa was sitting on Scott's shoulders she put her hands up, but in subsequent outings her hands are bent and over her forehead. Is this intentional or is it because the lift is so difficult and fast, not to mention the nerve of steel required, it's hard for her to hit that position in time.

    I prefer to see her hand straight up because to me it symbolized Carmen's final triumph over Don Jose, it's like a victory pose for Carmen.
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  14. Shayii

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    I too felt like I was watching the program for the first time again at Nationals. I thought they had never been more passionate, sensual/sexual, and just on point in general. Like honestly I think I might have been holding my breath during that performance cuz my heart was beating so fast by the time it was over.
    Lol I love your description for that lift. I know some people prefer the old lift, but I just loved this new one. I wonder what name Marina will end up giving it.
    Yea I think I started noticing that she wasn't putting up her hand anymore at CoR. I don't have a preference for whether the hand goes up or stays down though.
  15. rainbowkisses

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    the thing is it really doesnt stand out as much as the original and the changes they made at gpf did and the transition to it doesnt really (for the lack of a better word) flow (?)

    i think there are also a few kinks they need to sort out for the sd but they're relatively minor(the sd step sequence tho is perfect it always was perfect)
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  16. pani

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    Thats what i saw at GPF ;) I am not wonder, when people talking C-L must be at first place, when they saw them on stream or even on TV, but not at arena.
    And my thoughts about marks is the same too. I hope FDs will be better at Ech.
    Last season TSN put all FDs from Nationals on there site. sad they didnt made this this season. Remember i rewatched llast season Nationals FD competitions 10 times - great quality, i adore P-I and W-P last season FDs and G-P were so fun to watch.
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    If anyone has good quality videos of Nationals you can upload, can you PM me? I tried to download from youtube, but the quality was awful. Also, was that fluff piece about Carmen aired on TV, and is there a video? Couldn't find it on youtube at all. I want to have all of these saved on my hard drive. :)
  18. pani

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    This is no high quality ice dance videos at Fsvids :( Hope to save on my computer V-M programs from the Nationals too :)
  19. Golightly

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    Did they take down the TSN link?
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    The TSN video is on youtube, but the quality is very buffery. I just find it so hard to believe that there would be no video of this competition other than a rip of the TSN video. It did air on Canadian TV, right?
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    The video on youtube, while from TSN, is much worse than the video on the TSN website. I always watch it on the TSN website because the youtube one is too buffery.

    http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=more/588/1/0/847527/clip/592
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    Thanks, I did watch that one, but I'm trying to find one I can download and save. I don't know how to download from that site (I can from youtube but the quality sucked). I was thinking/hoping maybe there was a V&M fan site or something with better videos, but I guess not. :( I'm sure pani would've found it. ;)
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    Is that geo-blocked? Because it won't load for me :(
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    Yes, but if you click figure skating on the bottom left, you can get the videos. Yay for poor site design. ;)
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    I'm in Canada and have still been geoblocked by the site... :rolleyes:
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    I'm not in Canada and I am still geo-blocked ;) We can't win.
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    as usual, i compiled the links for nationals on my blog

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  29. rainbowkisses

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    idk about you guys but i cant stop watching tessa and scott's sd! they improved it so much! i've also noticed that their performance of the polka pattern has become more sharper and crisper and peppy. their sd now captures the lightheartedness of the polka
  30. clarie

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    And I keep watchin the FD......I just love love love the new ending.....that choreo lift looks difficult, but more comfortable for them. That part where she kicks and goes down still makes me cringe, not because I don't like it but I'm always afraid she going to hurt her knee (it comes from being so careful of mine after breaking the knee-cap last year). Anyway after I let it sink in for a few days, I think this is one wonderful FD and I hope they they get the kinks out and kick butt at Worlds. There's not another team who can hold a candle to them in my mind.
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    I am still on cloud nine from seeing them last week. They were so close when they were practicing their free dance - I couldn't think of any celebrity I would rather be that near to. I wondered if I had built Carmen up too much in my mind and I would be disappointed but it had the opposite affect. It felt so real - I felt shattered at the end for Scott. I love the new ending - to me it portrayed a glimmer of hope - followed by the emphatic shake of Tessa's head/torso and you knew this wasn't going to have a happy ending. I still have chills when I remember it.
  32. rainbowkisses

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    you are so lucky you got to see carmen live :(
    i kinda hope that they will preform a shortened version of carmen for soi this year like they performed a shortened version of mahler back in 2010
    (i also hope tessa and jbutt do a routine together :D)
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    I keep watching it as well, and I love that part after the yankee polka where Scott's twisting from side to side as Tessa kind of follows. It reminds me of a game of hide and seek, and I love that playful childhood feel they put into the program.

    ETA: I meant to say peakaboo, but hide and seek works as well I guess haha
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  34. rainbowkisses

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    this one right? http://24.media.tumblr.com/239eda5cd0298aa698de33e67873a2e9/tumblr_mgxm6qsEoh1qhrap4o3_250.gif
    its my favorite part too :biggrinbo

    btw the gala started on tsn
  35. The Accordion

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    So. Nationals inflation aside - anyone freaking out yet?
  36. pani

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    Just watched USA Nationals FD. I am dissapointed in Tracy Wilson. Now i understand, what people talking about her comments on USA and Canada TV difference.
    Could she gave good feed-back to Tessa and Scott? I am not sure.
    Did Kurt Brauning didnt work on NBC anymore?
  37. pani

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    I dont want talking about this, because i was sure this waht happened.
    But i feel bad for Hubble-Donahue, who didnt made team this season :(
    And for Lynn and Logan too.
  38. bbkenn

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    I am glad now that the Canadian judges were tough on V&M after seeing the ridiculously high scores for D&W. I just do not understand why D&W get such high scores. Someone has to explain that to me.
  39. The Accordion

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    Yeah - the talent in US dance is unbelievable right now!
  40. rainbowkisses

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    197.44 :rofl: oh nationals inflation never ceases to amaze me
    im surprised they didnt get 300 because their performance definitely deserved 300 ;) :rofl:

    eta:
    :rofl:totally