Virtue/Moir #24: We Like it Hot

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Proustable, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. bmcg

    bmcg Well-Known Member

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    It would be nice to see what Tessa and Scott could do with a ballet program. Don't think we´ll get the chance before they retire.
     
  2. Emdee

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    I have given up questioning the judging. Now I am just allowing myself to watch each program and enjoy it best I can. Time is running out.

    I dont know what I will do at worlds. I hope I dont close my eyes!
     
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  3. Rafter

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    Do the judges see this though?

    To me it seems like D&W's FD has a lot of open skating/stroking into elements, a lot of times where they are apart from each other posing or just in hand-to-hand hold. The overall effect is that they do not skate close together.
     
  4. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    Word. I take issue with the GOE's on the polka patterns because V/M and D/W both had 1's on both patterns, but the quality of V/M's patterns is infinitely better than that of D/W.

    I was just telling someone else nearly the exact same thing. I think that the current version of V/M's SD has just as good of choreography as D/W's SD, but D/W's SD choreography is quite brilliant. (So, I guess I'm saying both SD's are brilliant.) Like you though, I find it painful to watch D/W's SD because of the issues with lack of extension, unison, and line. You put it perfectly in that it's a ballet piece, but they are so UNballetic.
     
  5. sap5

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    On to more important things -- I have a feeling Scott will be gelling his hair again for the FD. :p :wuzrobbed His new haircut won't work in fierce!Carmen.
     
  6. bmcg

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    Hopefully then for Worlds that Christmas haircut will have grown out a bit :D
     
  7. pani

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    Thats what i alwayse try to explane - how both teams create speed. V-M, like a lot off people talking, create speed from nothing (like a lot off canadians skaters doing).
    I remeber in 2010 in Torino during Gala exibitions, D-W did the same element with Kerrs in the end. Kers did 2-3 steps and get speed they need for made element, when D-W need to go on circule and did 6 quik steps to generate the speed the same with Kerrs. But nobody else talked about this so i thought i am wrong.

    Just thought. because any other didnt give them 10th :D

    But only V-M ubers see this. So i think rules was changed and we cant understand nothing.

    Meryl look very unhappy with marks and nervouse before marks came up. Did she think they must have 80 at big ISU event, like on Nationals?

    I have bad feeling they try to gorw up Scott hair for soemthing for WCh :lol: My favorite haircut is from SC and CoR.
     
  8. Rafter

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    I too didn't think Meryl looked happy with the marks. I guess she was hoping for more.

    Side note, but can someone please give Meryl a cookie. Her arms and face are looking so emaciated to me it's scary.
     
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  9. cris_c

    cris_c Guest

    I am so lucky to have seen live three times Tessa and Scott competing against Meryl and Charlie, at Worlds 2010, 11 and 12. Every time, I noticed how much bigger they skate and how easy they gain speed without sacrificing lines and extensions at all. And every time I wondered how it is possible for the judges (with their trained eyes) to be even comparing the two couples and give them similar marks. Seen live, the difference between them as well as Tessa and Scott's superiority are overwhelming.
    I also agree with all the comments about the unballetic Meryl and Charlie's SD. I am a huge ballet admirer, so I cringe at the idea of one the most unballetic ice dance couple ever doing "Giselle", which is one of my most favourite ballets.
    Not necessarily linked to ice dance, but you really can't see Meryl and Charlie's arms, knees and toes after seeing these:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TcDzWRrk9I
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw1OAP0BqTU
     
  10. sap5

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    I actually like this new haircut, as it reminds me a bit of how he wore his hair for PF and Mahler (which I also liked ;)) However, I thought his haircut for SC and CoR worked better for Carmen.

    Why do I like discussing hair so much? :p
     
  11. Fort

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    Because in ice dance, hair is nearly as important as the skating. :D
     
  12. pani

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  14. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    My Little Pony <333
     
  15. Bournekraatzfan

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    well said, Shayii.

    Thank you rainbowkisses, marikat, and pani for the links to their performance, and thank you elle123 for the protocols.

    Wow....they gave a clinic on turns, if you ask me. That footwork sequence was exceptional...so patient with those edges, so clean...I was renered speechless watching this SD. and I actually preferred the original concept--I love the melancholic aspects of it--but this dance is just gorgeous. and I agree with those who have remarked on the difficulty of these transitions--just look at how they are always skating on one foot, weaving around each other, changing directions, varying holds. This is exactly what that mark calls for. To me it is the most difficult SD in its transitions, so I disagree with the transitions mark among other things.. I do love D&W's SD as well, especially those little hops, which are very difficult. I like that they are pushing themselves to do more choreography in unison, and I think they capture the feel of the polka just beautifully. I think they will continue to work on line and extension with Alex.

    I also agree with many of the comments on skating skills. What I think Tessa and Scott do not always receive full credit for is they way in which they vary their speed, their ease of acceleration (speed out of nothing, as pani has noted), and the power of each stroke generated from those soft, rhythmic knees. They just float across the ice...I am still gobsmacked. exquisite skating.
     
  16. Bournekraatzfan

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    no problem! all the best for the new year!

    hehe, I love these discussions. I would like to see you face off with Macassar88 on this topic, lol;)

    word.

    Thanks.

    Also, for Canadian fans (sorry, everyone else:(), Canadian Tire is offering a free limited edition Olympic water bottle to each customer that spends $35 before noon. They come in 4 designs, one of which features Tessa and Scott (in their victory lap in Vancouver). People can view the bottles here:

    http://www.canadiantire.ca/home.jsp?site=WebStore

    nice to see them get this kind of recognition:)
     
  17. manhn

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    Can you just buy the water bottle? I don't need anything at Canadian Tire--certainly not anything over $35. I still have the Patrick Chan water bottle, so I would like to complete the collection.
     
  18. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    You can "buy" the water bottle for $35 and consider whatever you bought as the "free" item. ;)
     
  19. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    :lol:
     
  20. Macassar88

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    Hehe - I can't believe that you remember how much I fixate on Scott's hair!
     
  21. ofdarkness

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    Can someone teach me a little on how to read the results? Like, you guys always talk of them getting level 4's, but all I see are 1's, 2's, and 3's haha. I'm a newbie at this.
     
  22. lauravvv

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    Levels are written next to abbreviations of element names (left side). Or in the case of Yankee Polka sequences, if you see something like 2YP3+kpNYY, it's the second number that shows the level. Those 1s, 2s and 3s you see are GOE (grade of execution) marks. But a 3 for one element is not worth the same as a 3 for another element. They are all converted according to the base value of the element itself, so that's why you can see something like 1.43 or 0.79 under GOE next to the base value. If you were serious about that.
     
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  23. iggie

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    i can't open pdfs so i can't tell you exactly, but

    CoSp4 3 3 3 3 3 3

    would be combination spin level 4. the numbers that go in a row after are goe, +3

    CStep3 (or something like that) 1 2 2 2 2 2

    Circular step sequence level 3, +2 goe's with one +1 goe
     
  24. aka_gerbil

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    CiSt3 ;)
     
  25. Rafter

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  26. iggie

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    short dance

    skate canada: okay
    nationals: lovely
    4cc: glorious! that music was made for them and this dance
     
  27. ofdarkness

    ofdarkness New Member

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    Ah, thank you all for clarifying! It makes much more sense now.
     
  28. whoa

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    Of all the Giselles to be compared against, I don't know if anyone can match Alina!
    I love the power in D/W's SD, but it would be more effectively used with some other (any other!) music than Giselle. The hops, the costumes, everything hangs on the side of cheesy than genuine with that program for me. I liked their SD last year a lot more.
    I would love to see V&M do a ballet program but also don't see that happening anytime soon. A pity!
     
  29. Shayii

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    Really? I'm actually preferring the Nationals one right now. Everything seemed perfect there, the twizzles, the yankee polka, everything. And I also miss the hug.
     
  30. iggie

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    i don't

    :lol: