Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Proustable, Jan 20, 2013.
Then let them say that. You don't have to stoop to that level.
i know this is too late but i just found a live stream
75.12 not bad
75.12 ... not bad I think that's a PB for them for the SD, IIRC.
T/S have 0.44 lead.
Tessa and Scott are in 1st place after the SD... YIPPEEEEEE Even if it's only by 0.44 but considering the odds were stacked against them, this is great news! Looks like they received our good vibes! Let's continue to send good vibes for the FD.
I still don't understand how D/W continue to beat them in PCS, but I'm no expert.
I haven't seen any videos yet (I just got home), but how did they skate?
It was a beautiful skate.
It was a wonderful skate, although I think their polka at Nationals was skated more smoothly. I thought their expression during the polka was fantastic though.
Here are the protocols for the SD: http://www.isuresults.com/results/fc2013/fc2013_IceDance_SD_Scores.pdf
It was gorgeous.
Very good skate, but I don't love the ending pose. It seems rushed and they don't seem they can stay in character long enough.
I really love the straightline sequence.
Aw they got rid of the little hug at the beginning. And I too love the straightline sequence; so pretty!
I really loved the begginning this time, I didn't like it very much in Can Nats, but the end in Canadians was MUCH better. This time it was kinda weird. And I even can't tell you why...
Of course, it's only 0.44, but I will cross my fingers about them to save first place on Sunday.
V&M won the SD? Yay them Cool.
I'm actually surprised. Not because I believe that Tessa and Scott didn't have a great SD or the potential to skate well within them but because many (including some V&M fans and more importantly the judges) have seemed to give D&W the nod for the SD. I haven't seen the performance yet so I can't comment on the very narrow lead.
On paper with a clean skate I'd say that if V&M can win the SD then the FD (Carmen!) should be theirs as well but this quad you never say never. I hope this continues through the FD as well.
Winning the SD if nothing else should further relax Tessa and Scott going into their FD performance. Which is a good thing. Good luck in the FD Tessa and Scott.
After SD Scott said to Oleg - its OK Look like Marina like how they skated this time.
D-W had notceable mistake from Charlie in SS and get level 3 for it, but huge GOe.
They get on 0,2 ,ore in PCS (the most part is CC and transitions).
If they skated clean T-S could be second.
They skated so close to each other in step sequence and i am happy they get levek 4 for it. And they skated big and i love this.
Plus they were in character (IMHO).
Good luck in FD! Wish to them skate clean with there passion.
Yes, but Tessa and Scott also got level 3 in one of their polka sequences. If they too got level 4 in that sequence, and everything else was exactly the same, including the GOE for it (and D/W step sequence GOE), they would have lost by 0.06 points. And they still would have lost because of PCSs, not because of the technical score. But we can't really tell have it would have been.
Again - I wish them very, very good luck in the FD. Because if they can't get level 4 at least on one of their step sequences there, then it's going to be even tougher.
One of the British Eurosport commentators called them the best ice dancers since Torvill and Dean ("Maybe apart for Torvill and Dean, the finest dancers I have ever seen"). Some seriously high praise.
Guys, you could watch SD in better quality
Its funny, canadian judge gave them 3 10th. And we will not have her at WCh
Yes. But then he said D-W must win, because Charlie were on today This commentators love all skaters. Good for them and for us.
When is the free dance?
The FD is tomorrow night.
Very happy to see them in first, even if it's just by a little. D&W won PCS by Choreo & Transitions, which is reasonable, and Skating Skills, which I guess was due to speed. Carmen has more/better Choreo & Transitions than Notre Dame, so that should bode well in the FD.
Here is the start order for the FD... pretty much the ideal draw, isn't it? Full benefit of the warmup, but not off the ice too long, and right after D&W.
Ice Dance - Free Dance
StN. Name Nation Rank Points
Warm-Up Group 1
1 Xiaoyang YU / Chen WANG
2 Pilar MAEKAWA MORENO / Leonardo MAEKAWA MORENO
3 Anna NAGORNYUK / Viktor KOVALENKO
4 Bryna OI / Taiyo MIZUTANI
Warm-Up Group 2
5 Danielle OBRIEN / Gregory MERRIMAN
6 Nicole ORFORD / Thomas WILLIAMS
7 Cathy REED / Chris REED
8 Emi HIRAI / Marien DE LA ASUNCION
Warm-Up Group 3
9 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE
10 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR
11 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER
12 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES
13 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI
Heard to be second in war-up is ideal place. But i dont think its good for T-S to skate just after D-W.
Remember in Nice they skated last after I-K, when D-W were ealy in group. It was good.
Did you really think D-W speed were so much better, then V-M? They gave D-W on 0,5 higher marks for transitions and CC. I disagree with this. Especially because commentatro on British Eurosport said V-M didnt made more then 2 steps in the same position. Isnt this show difficulty of this SD? All this details, moves - its not transitions?
Then again - D-W not so fast, when they need to do so many jumpes and hoops, so i am not sure i agree with you.
Plus i am sure judges will not give higher transitions and choreo marks in FD, then in SD, especially i am sure they will be such low, then D-W marks in SD. And "O, Esmeralda" with open mouthes and generick choreo, wich all saw three years in row will get 10th, when "Carmen" will be lucky enough if it get 9,75 in some PCS.
So thats why i am really impressed with what Tessa and Scott are doing, that they could show strongest SD in this season at international level, get personal best score for SD. Great job, guys!
Its too long untill FD I hope T-S will have great rest before FD and will show there best in FD, like they could did in SD. And will not pay attention to D-W and there marks. They are alwayse overscored, so what a big deal?
Here's the thing about speed and skating skills. V/M were incredibly fast last night--without sacrificing any of the other qualities their skating possesses. Speed was in no way an issue. Beyond that though, and I know I'm preaching to the choir here, although it feels that way at times, speed is not the only factor in skating skills. So many other things are meant to be considered under that category--things that V/M unquestionably do better than D/W. Because of that, V/M should hands down be marked higher than D/W when it comes to skating skills.
Also, while D/W are known for being speed demons, I've always thought they weren't as smooth over the ice as V/M and that they don't cover as much ice with each stroke. They're stroking more and not as smooth, which means they're working faster, and I think gives them the illusion that they're a bit faster than they actually are.
I don't like the ending pose either. Seems really forced or something.
My only other nitpick is they were off unison at the end of the straightline. I wonder why they only got level 3 on the second polka pattern?
I am very pleasantly surprised how close the PCS is given V&M's bad start order for the SD.
How do you know it was the Canadian judge who gave them 10s? I thought the judges were random at ISU Championships? (That said, it probably was the Cdn judge who gave them 10s ).
ITA. Speed was the only possible explanation for the marks, but I agree it is not everything and IMO V&M should have an advantage in skating skills over everyone else.
I've always felt D&W sacrifice good line, unison and polish for speed. I don't like it. Watching V&M and D&W back to back, it's really noticeable how much superior V&M's line and extension are. I couldn't really tell a difference in speed. One thing that stands out to me though is that IMO V&M have a much better looking and larger polka pattern than D&W.
I can see D&W getting higher PCS in Choreo, because it really is a clever piece of choreography, but I don't agree with the other PCS being higher. I know a lot of people love D&W's SD but at times I almost find it painful to watch because they are so UNballetic and yet are skating to a ballet. It really stands out with Charlie in particular to me....his leg looks bent half the time when he's extending behind him and there's no stretch in his foot. And there are times where I find Meryl's arms and hands unpolished/unballetic.
I thought Marina looked quite nervous before D&W's marks came up.
The ending looks rushed to me too. I'm afraid someone's going to get their nose smacked and end up with a nose-bleed. I wish they'd go back to the pose they had at the beginning of the season.
I've watched both programs back to back a number of times now and I think V&M outskated D&W. I personally think the judges were generous with D&W in comparison. I also have an issue with the whole speed debate. D&W create speed with lots of running, hops and pulling but compare the size of the pattern dance between the two teams and see who creates more speed. I think the changes V&M have made to the SD were the right ones and I think more in keeping with the spirit of the music Hopkins composed (if you saw the video of him in the audience listening to his music being played it's much more in the spirit of the newest SD version).
I actually prefer V&M's SD now to Giselle for the first time this season.
It is a great piece of choreo. It actually occurs to me that I would love to see what V&M, particularly Tessa, could do with it. I have never felt the opposite (wanted to see how D&W would skate a V&M piece).