Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by martyross, Dec 8, 2012.
oh really? we get to see v/m do ND and d/w do carmen? wooo hoo!
No! So DW are going to do a lyrical love program and VM a fast dramatic one? I don't like the sound of that at all. Why is she trying to make them what they're not?!
Skate Canada has been posting pics on twitter. Can I just say I love Tessa's see-through shirt in this one: https://mobile.twitter.com/SkateCanada/status/277494204354154496. It's in fashion now.
Whatever. VM can skate to anything. Did she really say they were heavy, though?
and by heavy, what does marina mean by that?
yes, v/m are more versatile than d/w, but they still have trouble with polka. as long as marina doesnt give them anything with polka, they'll do fine.
Apparently this is what gets you tens in interpretation these days...
Argh I was just reading this idiotic post on Golden Skate that I thought I'd share with you guys. Basically it says that Davis and White should be rewarded in spite of their recycling of elements because they are doing the best with what they have.
I ind it hilarious how two faced some Davis and White ubers can be. When Tessa and Scott do FF (which i loved and actually had new elements and was their first character driven free dance) people say that they have no variety and that they are doing young love over and over again. And when Davis and White change the music to their dance but don't change anything else over three out of four seasons its capitalizing on their strengths.
The double standards when it comes to V/M and D/W are just infuriating. D/W get a pat on the head for doing the very things V/M would get crucified for (and often do, even if they haven't actually done what they were accused of).
I don't understand why Carmen is not being rewarded by the judges. It should be judged way above the generic ND by D&W, yet it isn't. What are they not seeing, or seeing that we are not? I find it very discouraging.
My theory is that it's politics and has nothing to do with the actual skating and programs.
It's fast, though.
B&K won 2 GPF but didn't move up come World's or Olympics so D&W winning here means nothing. I like seeing V&M's overall scores going up and up. Interested to see what happens at 4 CC's.
Pretty sure that's during their combination spin.
Nice try at trashing D/W again, though.
Dude, thicker skin. Get one. It has helped me plenty when the V/M trashing is unleashed full force.
It's ok guys, lets cheer up a bit and see what happens with the rest of the season.
I do agree with this though. I mentioned it awhile back on fanforum that people want every other team (and I really do mean every other team) except VM to play to their strengths, but with Tessa and Scott when they do something in their wheelhouse they get slammed for it, hard. And now when they are doing something so different and innovative, it's not being rewarded. IDEK what to think anymore, I just feel bad for "Carmen" (the program that is, lol) .
Had to go back to this post when I stumbled upon a picture. When those people on twitter are annoying you just send them this pic:
Look at the lack of extension. It's something that I'll never get. Oh well.
You'd think she could at least curl her toes
At the very least, you would've thought she could have managed that....
I'll be waiting for a translation for Zueva's interview, but if she indeed said that Tessa and Scott are heavy... I don't get her. Why doesn't she just refrain from comments about the two teams? It's such a damn conflict of interests there, I can't even imagine the tension in Canton.
Or maybe she's trying to compensate for having praised her own work with Carmen at the beginning at the season (often conveniently keeping Jennifer Swan out of the picture) and now she's criticizing Tessa and Scott to make D/W look better? I'm truly confused about her attitude.
I think what they need to do is work on the step sequences. Not necessarily tweak them more (thought I wouldn't mind seeing the old DiSt back), but just try to make them cleaner. I seem to be the only one who likes the kick she does and I think it was clean today, you're just afraid she'll fall and yeah, it's one of the risks, but today she nailed it in my opinion. In fact, all lifts looked better, except for the choreo one. The short dance, I think I miss the old not touching step sequence, it was more intricate. Sigh. Again, they will use Nationals to test a few things I'm sure, but I like that they sounded calm and confident today.
Re: Zueva. We don't know exactly what she said, so I won't comment yet. Heavy has many meanings, we need context.
I agree, that's why I said I'd wait until we have a translation.
apparently sloppy postures is what gets you a gold medal in ice dance these days
imo we should start calling m/c's fd #sloppypostures to the people who call vm's carmen #publiccunnilingus
This idea is so greate. The judge should vote on pictures after the dance instead of live progrom. This way there will be proofs for scores. Only one photographer allowed he can be on tecnikal comittee.
All canton team will loose this way and other teams can have chance to become greate
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-T4WHi5z2U...8/G338TSBZG5c/s1600/Virtue Moir FD SC2012.jpg
Ding Ding someone gets the price tonight!! of course it's all politics, no doubt the American Federation is pushing with a heavy hand for their skaters this year. This seems really bad imo....not sure how V&M & D&W will be able to remain close with this crap going on..
tbh their sloppy postures are quite evident in their performance you dont need photographs to prove that
and honestly they stick out like a sore thumb
My feeling is that they stopped being close quite a while ago. They're probably just polite rink-mates.
I really do wonder about this, actually. I'd like to think that they maintain that great initial friendship, but we haven't seen a happy Canton fluff piece for at least two years.
No it's fine, & actually I am not just saying it cause I like Carmen more, D&W are fabulous skaters, I like them however they are not on the same level as V&M. Sorry if others feel this is harsh, it's the truth. I am not a judge or coach & don't have to be politically correct, anyone who says D&W are better this season is well I don't know really what too say, cause they are just wrong if they say that
Even the Italian commentators earlier in the season said T&S are in a league all their own.
I will LMAO if they lose at the Worlds to this ND snoozefest..
Oh & yes the federations will do dirty & underhanded things to get their teams & skater on top. Remember Lillehammer with Torvill & Dean getting bronze...that was the biggest STFU moment ever for me & loads of others along with Sale & Peltiller in SLC several years later.
The judge who gave V&M an 8.75 for skating skills for the SD should be sent to a room & left there for several days to get his brain in working order again...& should never be allowd to judge again, that was BOLD FACED CHEATING plain & simple.
Rant over ....now off to watch... The Dark Knight Rises!!
that look is sloopy in picture look like Scott in pain. I have feeling thumb is fine maybe it is other fingers.
ITA i cannot watch ND without falling asleep i dont understand how some people can consider it superior to v/m's carmen
lmao i meant m/c sloppy postures
and i guess for him to look like he is in pain is part of his character or something
Probably because it hasn't been happy, Igor was fired within those last two years V&M mentioned in Nice that there is tension during training and that's the first time I ever recall them openly stating so. Just to be clear (for those who like to twist things) it was just said that yes, things are more tense in response to a question. It isn't like it was in 2010.
Honestly it just isn't humanly possible for both D&W and V&M to get all they need and 100% from their present coaching situation because they both have the same goal. But I don't see it changing and I don't know that there is a solution. I think once they retire they can get back to that friendship
Not happy to post a DiManno article, but there are interesting quotes from Tessa and Scott in there regarding the competition. Including Scott praising Meryl and Charlie for the way they skated - that's for the crazy haters out there who are calling him names...
Surprisingly a good article for DiManno.
Welcome to the thread, Rainbowkisses! I think I'm going to enjoy your posts a lot.
Lissa, I think I'm in love with you.
aka the hypocrite fans who berate t/s for scott's comments at gpf and wtt but ignore m/c's comments against russia in their SA fluff (i guess this is another reason why the sochi audience wasnt too enthused with them
but yeah this article is so much better compared to the last one
I dunno, but Marina sounds so fake to me talking about how she's going to talk to the judges. She's in such an effing great position. She can't lose either way. And then talking about how they need to take risks when they're the leaders, when it sounds like they had a very traditional Carmen until Swan came on board? She is such a BS artist, IMO. I would love to know if she has a preference as to who wins, and if so, who.
I wonder what V&M think, especially Scott... their motto has been "Marina is always right" and in the end, it's turned out true every time except 2011 Worlds, so I can see where they would wanna stick with her, but on the other hand, it must be really tough at a time like this knowing she could be just as happy to see them in 2nd.
This is why they are the best team in the world.
My thoughts exactly, Cherub.
Thanks for the article. I'm very happy about what both Tessa and Scott say. I'm looking very much forward to the second half of the season. My friend (we are really close btw) was rooting against Tessa and Scott cuz she thinks Scott is a douche after what happened at last year's GPF; forget the fact that she only watches skating twice a year and prefers D/W cuz they're American. Now that I think about it the only three people I talk to that watch or semi-watch skating prefer D/W...sigh.
BTW can we not let the tone get too negative in here...pretty please.
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