Virtue & Moir # 23 - Dance Me To The End Of Love

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  1. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    Thats why i think its something going on with Ann Shaw gave them dedaction for illigal move (porno move)- its 3 point :lol:

    Its hard to look at Scott :( I feel bad not because marks, but they talk so much how they work hard on this FD, how hard for them to get this criticism.
    Its unfair when old judges wish to them only lsweet lovers, like in SD.
  2. Shayii

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    Thanks, somebody on fb said she cut her hand. What did you think of the new lift? I don't like Scott's hair gelled back for this program.
  3. marikat

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    score changed, it's now 108,19

    They now have "only" two lift deductions
  4. Golightly

    Golightly New Member

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    LOL. This is so crazy? What's even going on with this panel?
  5. pani

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    Thanks! But for for one long lift they must get only 1 point dedaction.
    Crazy. Its like Bestemyanovca-Bukin get there golds medals at international competition easy, then at nationals.
  6. Shayii

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    Um okay, WTF?! I'm just confused now. Oh thanks BTW lol.
  7. pani

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    And now they need to return them one more point :lol: Stupid judging
  8. DFJ

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    Yeah, I just looked at the protocols. It says 2.00 point deduction for a long lift. 2 points?
  9. Twilight1

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    The last lift is sexy so I love it but some detractors will hate it.

    The last lift hasn't been seen by the judges so I could see it and the rotational lift possibly having deductions
  10. jl22aries

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    What are some of you guys talking about?! The GOE and PCS are insanely awesome. The judges are saying they LOVE this program and performance and it is an inarguably rousing, across-the-board positive "send off". The levels can be tweaked; it's feedback they have the ability to use. If I were the tech caller and the length of a lift was on the button, I'd rather be harsh at the National level, and encourage them to tighten things up before the big stage. I'm so happy for their latest Canadian title.
  11. IoanaC

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    No, there must be 2 lifts, but the description in the protocols is "long lift".

    They lost 3 points in the spin and 1,5 in the lift. If we add the 2 pt deduction, the score would have been absolutely HUGE. Too much, probably, but I would have loved that!!:D

    Also, we need a new thread. Ideas?
  12. DFJ

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    I agree. I don't want anyone to kiss up to them because they're Canadians. This gives them plenty of time to tighten things up before Worlds.
  13. elle123

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    I think there must have been some error with the deductions, because there were a number of teams that had deductions but no longer do.
  14. pani

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    I dont care about this 10th, but this coudnt be ruth they had mistake in spin, then 2 lng lifts.... Stupid.
  15. Alixana

    Alixana recovering Oly-holic

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    Yes, when I posted earlier, 3/4 of the couples had long lift deductions. Now only V&M and one other team do.
  16. Shayii

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    I hope someone puts up the video soon, I just want to see it for myself. And I think Jess is right the PCS was almost 60 so it's just the technical side they need to look at.
  17. pani

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    Sorry, but the "kiss up" when gave them all 10th. But in international competitions they gey higher levels second Nationals in the row. Maybe they dont need to compete at Nationals with such werid judging.
  18. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

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    that was kinda pointless they already won anyway
  19. Judy

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    I have to agree ... This is what these pre-world competitions are all about. I haven't seen this yet but looking forward to it.
  20. DFJ

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    Pani, you're missing my point. I'd rather they be judged harshly at Nationals if that's the way the judges see it. It gives them the impetus to work that much harder going into Worlds. What I don't want to see is Canadian judges overscoring simply because it is a national competition.
  21. Shayii

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    Not really! If they don't tell them at Nationals, how will they know to fix the problem for the international events--they'll get marked down there and wonder why. This will just motivate them to work that much harder, like last year.
  22. rainbowkisses

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    i bet a bunch of people now are complaining that scott complained to the judges about his score and thats why they only have 2 lift deductions :rolleyes: but yeah marie-france called it first. she said there were something wrong with the lift deductions. also werent p/i fourth? who was the other couples who had long lift deductions because i dont remember it
  23. pani

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    Sorry, but did you think they was kissed at all competitions during season and only at home Nationals they found high level judges? This is funny :lol:
    Thought this will be last relaxing competition for me, but canadiand did it not so fully. Plus no photos, videos, report, like alwayse from competitions in Canada.
    So i will not watch 4CC and WCH after this. Cant even imaging, what judjes will made with them.
  24. pani

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    They overscored them in PCS.
    Its funny, that V-M always did something wron, when even such a poor skaters, like Piper or C-L get livel 3 for SS.
    OK, dont want think aboutr this anymore. Thanks you for such a bad ebd of week-end, Skate Canada.
  25. bmcg

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    I think the new thread should be titled Keep Calm, Carry On because it's clearly needed right now ;)
  26. Alixana

    Alixana recovering Oly-holic

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    In the original protocols, I counted 6 couples with long lift deductions and now I only see 2. So I'm assuming it was some computer glitch.
  27. Twilight1

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    Elizabeth Manley and Debbie Wilkes stated 2 lifts were too long and thus the deductions. Otherwise, their program was fabulous!!!!
  28. Shayii

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    Pani calm down. Wouldn't you rather the mistakes be caught here? I was upset too, but I think it's better this way. Anyways can somebody that was watching tell me how they reacted to the scores?
  29. pani

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    Sorry, but for international judges all was OK. Like last season Canadinas have different clock.
  30. Sahararainfall

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    Would you mind putting this particular skate into perspective? I mean compared to their three previous FD skates how was it overall? I know the details on their errors are important, but like others commented, the technical side can be fixed. I was thinking now that their SD is fixed, they really now could focus on polishing both programs heading into the endgame of the season.

    Also, last season the tech panel was also hard on them, which probably helped because they nailed it next at 4cc, level 4s on the SSs, so I guess that is not so bad. I hope someone uploads soon...
  31. Twilight1

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    The skate was cleaner and crisper. The kick part in mid program was the best of the season. The beginning twizzles were fast and completely in sync.
  32. rainbowkisses

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    i asked skate canada what happened and this is what they replied:

    The deductions were on three separate lifts for long lifts, however, the creative lift was incorrectly timed and has been adjusted.
  33. pani

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    Like i said before - last season they didnt change nothing after Nationals and get level 4 for that lift in SD. So its something personal to V-M, because all others get there high level. For example O-W, who isnt at the same level with V-M.
  34. Shayii

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    Apparently Tessa's dad said this to somebody after their performance:

  35. Sahararainfall

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    Thank you!
  36. IoanaC

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    I think you're right.:) I also liked your other idea, "Onwards and upwards".
  37. Lissa

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    How can they possibly at this level & this late in the season still not know the lifts are too long? I am sorry but that is the skaters & coaches mistake, there is no excuse for them to be getting time deductions on lifts when they know the rules.
  38. bmcg

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    Here's something to consider. In their combination lift the first part was only called a level two. Perhaps they were too long getting into position and this is one of the lifts where they got a time deduction. It doesn't matter what they got in other competitions. To repeat what I wrote in the FD thread Igor let people know he thought they should have gotten a timing deduction at Skate Canada for a lift and voiced that the panel chose not to give one. Think back to 2010 where all season long they received no deduction for the dismount to the Goose lift but did for the Olympics because they heard rumblings they might suddenly get a deduction for it. I don't think it's a bad thing that the panel at Nationals was strict with the timing. I don't think it's because they don't like V&M but because they know it's borderline. They will be skating in London without a Canadian judge and perhaps none on the technical panel. They need to go there with things tightened up so that they don't give a reason for a strict panel to throw them a deduction.
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  39. Golightly

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    THIS. This is good and will help them at the end.
  40. marikat

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