Virtue & Moir # 23 - Dance Me To The End Of Love

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by martyross, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    Maybe we will see something like this at Nationals ;)
     
  2. Shayii

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsxzugW8m50 you're right it is from Nationals.

    I actually don't think Tessa and Scott will change their costumes, especially because her dress looks hella expensive.
     
  3. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! So next time Luca will be all in black :eek: And Anna had hairs down ;) Shpilband is a devil :lol:

    Yes, Scotts costume is expensive too. His costume is from bamboo.
     
  4. bmcg

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    I don't think trying to look more like Tessa and Scott is the right strategy as I found that version of their FD the least impressive. The more they try to look like V&M the more it highlights the huge difference in their abilities. C&L had a fantastic season with their La Strada FD and I don't think they were served well by their coaching team this year. Probably won't make a difference with the judges who seem to only value elements (evidence in the marks I&K are getting ;)) but as a fan it's disappointing. I don't think Carmen was the right program to follow La Strada. If Igor is playing games I think this move backfired on him as it certainly doesn't help C&L build on the success of their previous season, their best program this year is their SD and iirc Igor didn't choreograph that one. It's clear why he needed Marina.
     
  5. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    Maybe i am wrong, but after C-L start doing V-M huge before skating..... :rolleyes:
    But judges love this - they get such a huge marks at GPF.
    I think Carmen good choice for C-L, but with different choreo. And they didnt improve there skating (IMHO). This is sad.
     
  6. bmcg

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    I don't understand your first sentence? When I first heard both teams were doing Carmen I thought it would favour C&L so the choice itself isn't terrible. BUT if Igor knew V&M were doing Carmen (and it seems more and more obvious he did) and C&L didn't know (she said in a press conference when they found out it was too late to change) than that is what I mean by it backfiring because he underestimated what V&M were willing and driven to do with Carmen. They took a gamble and I think it failed. Maybe not for the judges though because again at this stage it seems they don't really care that much about anything but the elements. But for me I lost respect for Igor and I don't find C&L as good as I found them last season, their FD this year reminds me why they aren't on the same level with a team like V&M. I think a different FD without the direct comparison would be more favourable to them.
     
  7. pani

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    O, i mean what Tessa and Scott doing before skating, when they still along.
    This split is worst for T-S. :(
     
  8. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

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    tbh tessa's costume has grown on me. at first i didnt like the sleeves and i prefered she wore purple and black but then i found out that is some purple in her costume
    honestly, i think the only change she should make is her hair
     
  9. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    We'll see. They certainly have the best choreography they've ever had - maybe Igor was holding them back. They said the original Carmen was "ordinary." And I was just thinking how like every season since 2009 V&M have lost to D&W in their first matchup (2009 4CC, 2010 GPF, 2011 Worlds, 2012 GPF, 2013 GPF), but have always gone on to beat them in the rest of the season's events (2009 Worlds, 2010 Olympics/Worlds, 2012 4CC/Worlds). In that sense their career trajectory this season is no different from the Igor days.

    And I think C&L are doing great with Carmen/Igor. They usually barely or don't qualify to GPF, and this year they made it and were 4th. I would have never expected them to be beating both Russian couples at a Russian event. They stand a real chance of winning a medal at Euros. It is clear that they are not rivals to V&M, D&W, and P&B, but they're dominating that second tier, when they were usually toward the bottom middle.
     
  10. pani

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    Hm, they were too close to P-B in FD at GPF.
    And both russian teams skate better, then C-L.
    I talked about the split is worst for V-M only because of how he try to copy all, what V-M are doing.
     
  11. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I know, but think about it this way: Would you rather see V&M skating their current Carmen, and C&L doing a generic version, or see V&M doing a generic Carmen and C&L some other dance. I'm happy we got the programs we did :) and C&L's success is taking nothing away from V&M. Out of all the reasons V&M did not win GPF I am certain that a comparison to C&L's Carmen was not it.
     
  12. pani

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    Dont get me wrong. I will be happy with C-L success if they really improve there skating. But how judges could compare P-B with them at GPF? And C-L so slow compare to russian teams....
     
  13. aka_gerbil

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    I agree the dress looks incredibly expensive, but Team V/M is not one to cut corners. If they think they need a new dress to better show off the Tessa and the program, there will be a new dress.

    For the longest time, I thought the dress was perfect. It is gorgeous, but the skirt is starting to bug me quite a bit. It's like it has too much fabric, is too long, and it makes Tessa's legs look short.

    I think what Pani was trying to say is that C/L are now doing the pre-skate hug thing that V/M do.

    I tend to come down on the side that their Carmen FD is doing C/L no real favors. Their skating is obviously improved under Igor in that they finally seem to be consistantly skating like a senior team rather than still looking juniorish in some aspects of their technique. They do a good job with their FD, but it just pales in comparison to the tour de force that is V/M's Carmen. I completely agree with the sentiment that a different FD in which they weren't being compared directly to V/M would have served them better.

    I love her hair in the long ponytail! It needs to be contained/controlled somehow, given the demands of that program. I have really long hair, and from my own experiences, the hair would become a huge distraction if it were down and free. Even if it were done like it is for the Hallelujah exhibition, I think it would get in the way. The ponytail still lets Tessa's hair have the element of long and flowing, which the other option of hair control, a bun, wouldn't allow for.

    ETA:
    IMO, a lot of the scores/placement at the GPF came down to politics... I do think B/S handed C/L a placement with their mistakes though. Mostly though... politics.
     
  14. bmcg

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    Got it. I think the split was hard on all the teams and they all just had to keep going the best they could. I´ll think they´ll be preparing a lot earlier for next season and make whatever changes needed.
     
  15. rainbowkisses

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    almost everyone is copying/influenced by v/m it just proves how influential they are and how they are the leaders and at the top
    its nbd really
     
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    I know,that`s why I always get angry,when commentators,especially the Italian ones:rolleyes:,talk about the battle of the Carmens.As if there is even a comparision.Anna is very expressive,but technically she isn`t even on Nathalie`s or Ekaterina`s level.I don`t even want to talk how she would measure up against Tessa.
     
  18. rainbowkisses

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    tbh i dont think there was ever a battle of the carmens :p
    but yeah i still think the italian commentators still love v/m
     
  19. iggie

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  20. pani

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    I think Tessa could be great model for this company ;)
     
  21. pani

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    I think italian commentators are really sweet and love all skaters :)
     
  22. rainbowkisses

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    i love how one of their newest bodysuits is called "carmen"
    hmm i wonder why they called it that ;)
     
  23. Sahararainfall

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    Well, If you look at the testimonials section, Tessa's comments are at the top with her name in bigger font size than the rest (along with an old photo with Scott), so they know she's wearing it. So far, she's worn Allegra, cap sleeve with something, square neck, and zip front with circles. Can't see in the pictures the bodysuit she wore for CoR. I guess if Tessa won't give us a fashion show with her costumes, at least she is giving us one in her practice outfits. :lol: <Sigh> Nationals can't come soon enough.
     
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  24. pani

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    O, yes. Maybe for competitions coaches didnt let her to use so many dresses, like she want, but she could do this in practice. So we will see something new at Nationals. ;)
    Guys, anybody know, SkateBuzz will be geoblocked during Nationals and WCh?

    Some new photos from GPF press-conference
    http://victoriashaposhnikova.gallery.ru/watch?a=33D-jxgv
     
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    skatebuzz is now charging ..But I think they'll take your money no matter where you're from... I think CTV and TSN will have online covereage of the parts they televise. I don't know if they geoblock
     
  26. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    Thank you!
    CTC and TSN are usually have geoblock.
     
  27. Emdee

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    Back from holidays and havent read the thread yet. Hope all is well with our favourites!
     
  28. iggie

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    welcome back!

    no news on tessa and scott, but kaitlyn is injured so w/p will not be skating at nationals.

    is anyone going to stars on ice toronto this summer?
     
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  29. girlscouse62

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    Yeah :kickass: I just got tickets for myself, daughter and granddaughter to go to meet and greet and event in Vancouver. Cannot believe it! I have wanted to go for several years now, and we finally get to go. I am sooooo excited :cheer2:
     
  30. iggie

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    haven't gotten my ticket yet for the toronto show...