Virtue & Moir # 23 - Dance Me To The End Of Love

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    Interesting abandonment of story and staying with movement... this maybe the answer . Look forward to seeing the program at nats though not in person.
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    Thanks, only back until Friday 18th and then off again for two weeks. I should be thankful for these wonderful hols but instead I am sad that I will miss Nats in Toronto.Thank heavens I am going to worlds though wont be there for the practices. I think I will go to nats next year in Ottawa only problem is it will be so COLD there! Maybe DD will come for the weekend portion of it. Lets see.

    Yes I have received my tickets for CSOI Toronto. I dont know how long Kurt will be skating in it - its his last year for the US SOI. With both Patrick and T&S skating my cup of happiness will be full.
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    I don't think they would use the word simplifying if they meant it in the way you fear. I read it that people (and judges) weren't getting the story they were trying to tell in the SD and that there wasn't enough time to develop it in the time limit of an SD so they are just going for the joy of the dance and the movement which is really all anyone else is doing anyway. The story wasn't helping their marks. I think strategically it's not a bad decision as they can't get caught up in the SD again this season. If the story isn´t getting appreciation I´d rather they focus on the masterpiece that is their FD and just go for the levels in the SD.
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    I'm disappointed... the story for the SD was intriguing, and I wanted to know more. I thought of it as Scott picking up this lost girl, taking her into his castle and inviting her to a ball. They're dancing the upbeat, social dances in public (polka), but as the evening goes on, it gets more intimate (waltz)....
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    Hope you are right :) But hope simplifying wasnt made with FD.
    How they coyuld made changes again if they didnt have a lot off time if they spend off-ice all 5 days during Christmas?

    Tessas movements at the begining of this SD made from it something speciall.
    But look like they wish to be on top more, then save unusuall choreo :(
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    Unless there are some really drastic changes, I don't think anything will prevent you from seeing the story the way you want to see it. ;)
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    Of course :lol: but originally they said they wanted to develop it, so I was hoping that they would explain more about it and maybe add some choreo (nothing major, I'm talking like hand gestures and stuff). I will not enjoy it less, but my anticipated increase in enjoyment has been compromised. ;)
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    You haven't seen it yet ;)

    Too many people were confused by the SD and while I loved the original one (the one at Skate Canada) they are still competing and when you have their titles you of course still want to win. It's why we lost the gorgeous step sequence in the original SD, the construction was such they would never get a level 4. I honestly don't think people (fans and judges) would struggle so much with the theme and concept had Marina not nailed it with Giselle. I think V&M's SD is superior to all others but have to accept Marina really nailed it with Giselle. I suspect her original concept for a Carmen SD would have been just as brilliant but with all the shuffling it's my feeling they tried to work whatever FD concept they had for Hopkins into the SD and the comparison isn't working in their favour. I think it's smart to go for a compulsory dance approach (if that is what they are doing) because few dance the CDs like they do. They need to keep as close to D&W as possible in the SD and the point spread at GPF told them they needed to review their program.

    I expect Carmen to intact.
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    I'm sorry, but I have to agree with some of the comments I've seen elsewhere. This quote is weird and unnecessary IMO
    I'm surprised they were off the ice for five days. I actually thought they were putting in more ice time, especially when I read a tweet from a guy that was super excited about seeing them practice at his local rink.
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    Did you have link to this tweet?
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    How so?
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    I don't know how to really articulate it, but I am starting to think they're playing a game. But the whole the SD is now a story of our lives/relationship and it's a story of two people in love and dancing about it...IDK it seems a bit contrived.
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    That's because the story is from the Canadian Press, which is not associated with any single newspaper -- it gets picked up by any of them. The individual paper chooses the picture to accompany it, probably just whatever they have on file for VM for this season.
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    yes, that love word is certainly dangled out there. Sounds like Tessa is saying they are in love... and in the past they've seemed to want to avoid this topic and play the friend card. Maybe to stir up fans (like myself ;) )
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    Honestly I think it's all in how you read it. I didn't read it as they are in love but if that is an issue to some people who wonder or want them to be than I can see why they will read it differently. I don't really care if they are or aren´t a couple and believe they aren't based on their personalities. I do think the nature of Carmen may have made them question themselves this season however ;)

    But seriously. I always take quotes in print with a grain of salt. There is a ... between the quote that bothers you, you need to know what the ... was. I've seen enough interviews of Patrick Chan and then read his quotes in an article to know the very same words come across very differently spoken vs. printed with the journalists twist.

    On a lighter not LOVE the picture in the first article pani posted.
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    I agree with this. They also say they've focused on the body movement, so I don't think the actual SD choreography has changed much.

    I'm glad it's competition time again soon, so we can have real things to debate. It's beginning to feel like the off-season speculation hour in here. There are separate quotes in that article, and many of their phrases are retold by the writer. I really don't think Tessa was trying to fuel some relationship conspiracy theory, but simply explain the concept of the dance... Just my opinion.
    I would have loved to know more about how Carmen has been progressing in training.
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    Sorry Pani I missed this post. Don't have time now, but I'll look for it later.
    I don't care what their relationship is either and I actually do think they have SO. That's why I don't understand why it seems like they're trying to mess with fans that might be hoping for something else. To me it looks like they try to stir the pot like HSGP21 said.

    I too love the pic from the cbc article!
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    It's a shame you only focused on that part and not on the part about how quotes are put together in an article can give you a different impression from the spoken word. I think Ioana is right in that it seems to me they are just trying to explain their SD and their refocus of the SD. I think it's a shame you see it as them playing games with their fans.
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    no matter how the journalist strung the quotes together, i agree with shay in that tessa and scott really shouldn't have bothered to state that the characters on ice reflect their relationship and then state that those characters are in love. they know how their fans feel so toying with us (or them, if you don't include yourself in that segment) like this isn't nice. it's really tiresome to me because i see them bring it up each year and give different and unconvincing answers. i just wish they would move on. journalists have. we're well past the state where every article started with the question about whether they're dating.
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    So in other words I don't care to know what the proper context is I'm just pissed they got my hopes up :lol:

    Honestly I find this whole are they or aren't they tiresome and ridiculous and it isn't them that are boring me.
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    you seem to be saying that our discussion about the "are they or aren't they" aspect of v/m's relationship is the thing that's boring you. i'd like to point out that we haven't talked about it for while. the only reason that we're talking about it now is because tessa and scott threw that little diddy out there. so if you're annoyed that we're talking about it, blame tessa and scott. we were happily chatting about stars on ice and costumes before this.
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    Thank you.

    Bmcg let's just forget it. I do care about the context that the article was written. This isn't the first time they've done this so that's why I feel like they mess with people. I just don't understand why they don't shut it down if it's the journalists that put those twists in their articles, but whatever.
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    Just more food for 'you know who'. I expect a nice 'summary' and 'analysis' any minute now. Ready and 3...2...1;)
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    I do think that some people are reading too much into Tessa's quote. If I had restricted myself to just reading the article and had ignored the comments some of the V/M fans have made around it in this thread, it would have never ever crossed my mind Tessa might be suggesting that she and Scott would be romantically involved. They've both said time and again they are not a couple off the ice, why isn't that enough for some people?

    But moving on, I am dying to see how they 'simplified' their SD. I just love the first minute and a half or so of their choreography and their elegant aristrocratic polka, it's really something special, but I have to say they failed to get their story through to me in the last part of the dance.
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    To me it means that they are just enjoying the moment together........pure icedancing, and celebrating the joy of it. I got no deeper meaning, and it certainly didn't change my perception of their relationship with one another......just sanctifying their relationship with the dance. :)
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    Thank you.
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    I don't mind that they play games, if they do.
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    Sigh…never mind…let's just forget the whole thing. For the record though it just isn't this ONE article that I'm reacting to and I'm not one to read too much into what's written in a single article.
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    Tessa only said that the characters in the SD are in love. She didn't say that the program reflected their relationship -- the author said that's what she said. I know Lori Ewing is not Rosie DiManno or Steve Milton, but after reading what those two have written in the past, I feel like I can't trust any of these press writers to report what is truly being said.

    ETA: Interestingly, this version of the article doesn't make any mention of the relationship issue, but mentions everything else.
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    For those interested this article gives a bit more info about the program changes confirming most of the changes were in the SD and also mentions they worked with Swan again so that deserves a :cheer:
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    Yes, and the other thing is that newspaper articles, through haste of writing, editing, etc. often drop parts of quotes or paraphrase in a selective or inaccurate way.

    Regardless, Tessa's comments (or whatever fragments we received of them) didn't strike me as contentious in any way.
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    tbh i think the most important thing we should be worrying about is the changes they made to their programs. i'll honestly be devastated if they made any major changes to carmen :(
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    Regarding they styling of their FD...to me it's perfection. I love her dress in its entirety, the top is severe and bold, the skirt hints towards a more playful note (as playful as this version of Carmen could be...which is still bold bold bold) with its frilly layers. It looks so chic and well designed. The makeup is flawless, down to the pink lip. That hugh of pink paired with black is very contemporary, straight off street style. And I LOVE the hair, and find it actually quite essential to the dance, the way she can whip it around, the way it flies with abandon. I mean, come on http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/mamy-st/view/466381?page=9
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    I must say ITA with jl22aries. I love the whole look.
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    I agree. And the way it flies at the end? Very violent and intense, as it should be.

    I'm sad that they're not developing the SD story, but I understand why they decided to simplify it. Heh, I laughed when Tessa said that they developed this complicated storyline for the short dance. They're such artists. I also remember that someone here, I think, described the SD as an intellectual mini free dance, which it was. The story never really confused me? But I guess not everyone feels the same way. That's the thing with ice dance these days, people need to understand what you're doing so you kind of have to dumb down your story. It's sad, really.

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    Thank you! :) Its more interesting for me, than first one.
    Only wonder when they found time to do all this if they had Christmas break? ;)
    If last season the main word was - Intense, this season its - footwork :lol:

    Shayi, i understand what you mean, but i think Tessa talked about they grow and have one same love - they love to dance. She talked about this at GPF. They all time talking about they are not together so i dont think they play with fans. Yes, they play in love ON ice, but not OFF. So i think fans have too bright imagination :D
    And its sad for me how people try alwayse show in negative way T-S - its bad, if they are not together, because fans think they need to be together ot T-S lie about they are not together, so they must to be together :D
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  40. IoanaC

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    It's been a month since the GPF. I think we can safely say they've had some good training time and you can also allow them to have a few days break to enjoy Christmas with their families, Pani.:) They know best how to pace their training and also protect their bodies.