Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by pani, Jan 28, 2012.
New thread. Hope now, when we go over 13 thread, the future will be bright
That´s the spirit
eta...I changed my signature for a more optimistic one
I know D&W got a great score with nationals inflation that I wish Canada had given V&M, if only because of the attitude of V&M ubers that this is all over, and D&W are going to win and V&M are making changes, so they'll lose. This air of invincibility over D&W winning is beginning to annoy me. I happen to think anything can happen.
Now i am wonder - why for try different choreo, change coaching skaters need to be in so bad poitikal situation?
If V-M did this last season we could see different situation now. Maybe it will not be better, but they could bring good results for future. Now, if they will change coaches, they need to spend minimum 1 year to develop new work, new lifes....
This season they look at each other - this what Zueva teach them to do this season.
How do you think - V-M see there SD skated by Shibs?
Trust me, if/when V/M change coaches, skating will be both their work and their lives... kind of like it already is.
Also, it's not a situation where they'd need to do a bunch of work on incorrect technique or anything like that.
I continue to think people are exaggerating. Deep down, we all know when a result is inflated, so I ask you, were V-M really inflated? Were D-W's? I have my doubts. If V-M had gotten all level 4 their score would be nearing 116. They can do this, people.
It's pretty much how they dance, they are used to it. By the way, I mean this honestly, I am not in any way making fun of them, I'm merely stating a fact.
What a low score for Shibs in FD - 106.23/ Its because they didnt skate V-M FD?
Now i understand what Shpilband mean, when he talked about we give all the same things - they give them the same programs Maybe V-M didnt pay money for this choreo, thats why Marina gave it to Shibs?
Honestly, i like Shibs, but what Marina doing?
Yes, they can. I'm getting tired of some peoples' freaking out.
shibs way overscored weaver and poje have overtaken them in performance execution and their interpretation is so much better than them but its a very safe program weaver and poje took big risk with their fd and it should be rewarded.
gala tonight on tsn
Sorry, but what risk did W-P have in FD?
I was talking about after they skate, when it's over. I did not really look at the SD and thought V&M, so I'll have to look over it again. Are you sure it's the same?
Turn off music and watch at the same time. Notice Maia hair style, dress? Tell please, what do you think about this.
Pani skating to a lara fabian song about being heartsick could have been a disaster melodramatic, plus Camerlengo said that at nationals but their interpretation is truly flawless they way they weave the coreography and the elements you forget that in that free dance. I just feel they are not getting the same level of support from skate canada that the Shibs are with USFSA they were lowballed twice by crone and poirier. If they don`t medal this year skate canada will start supporting gilles and poirier.
I think W-P have a lot off the same elements from last years. And you know, now all doing this. It was funny, when during P-B FD at ECh Zhulin said: "O, this is our step sequence. They didnt change single step from last year".
I have no doubt that V/M can outskate D/W at Worlds.
It's just whether the judges will reward them for it.
But that is out of their control.
Let's just all think positively and wish them the best skates since there's nothing we can do about the marking anyway.
If we're to talk about recycling. That's something the judges seem to be rewarding these days, too. Not that there's any rule against it, but you would think that originality is valued in this sport. It used to be.
Sigh...things are getting chaotic around here (something I've probably added to in my moments of paranoia ), but everybody just come down and let's just see how things will play out. TBH at this point I don't think T/S will beat D/W but I'll pray that I'm wrong. When is 4CC anyways, it can't happen soon enough.
Sliver I don't understand what this has to do with Weaver and Poje and why you insist on bringing them up regarding anything that as to do with T/S .
When did Camerlengo say that? In an article?
Who cares if the do! All the teams are doing it.
The Shibs score is basically what W/P got at Canadians. And about 7 marks higher than P/B at Euros. I think the Euros judging is probably more accurate.
here is the link to four continents:
SD on Sat Feb 11
FD on Sun Feb 12
These are the facts. In the only instance they competed at the same event this season, Scott fell and V-M skated a sub-par SD, but won the FD. So, I ask this: why is it that you think it is impossible for V-M to defeat D-W at Worlds? I think it will be close, but I won't emphatically say that V-M are doomed for the season. I don't see things that way, but maybe that is just me.
Those are my feelings on the situation, exactly. Do I think Tessa and Scott can outskate D/W at 4CC and Worlds? Absolutely. Do I think they will: Absolutely. I just don't know if the medals are going to match the skating. It wouldn't be the first time it's happened in ice dance.
In this case, I'm more amused than anything else because of an article awhile back where P/B said that Krylova/Camerlingo (yeah, I totally just butchered the spelling) still consult with Zhulin about them over the phone.
I will be called crazy for this, but politics.
Golightly I don't think that it's impossible that T/S can beat D/W, I just think D/W have the edge and momentum right now, that's all. But like I said I hope I'm wrong.
Momentum can swing. It wouldn't be the first time it does, it something that happens. I think D-W have skated that program to their full potential whereas V-M have not yet. That makes me think they could win it. Of course, I could be wrong, but who knows? They might come up with two spectacular skates that day.
What i don`t understand is why are they so damn nervous know they should just skate the orginal programs they had at the start of they year and just concentrate on getting the levels. I feel all these changes were unnecessary they had a great score in the fd at gp final. They should just polish the programs i feel this obssession about beating D&W has gone to their head just skate naturally and let the judges vote.
After seeing the D&W FD, I totally agree.
I agree with this. But people talk and skaters find out. That builds pressure. It's so mental, they feel at a disadvantage, not on the ice precisely but the media say that it won't be enough and people here say it won't be enough and they know that's what's being said. So, wouldn't you be nervous too?
If there is an "obsession" on the parts of V&M to beat D&W, perhaps it stems from the fact that up through the GPF it did appear as if V&M were being given the message through the judges marks that D&W had passed them by in most areas. Like some of us, Scott in particular feels that impression is incorrect.
There also seemed (seems?) to be the impression that V&M's coaching team is no longer giving equal attention to their two top teams. V&M (Scott in particular) are very competitive and they know what they are capable of. Even without major mistakes, it has seemed for most of the season that the judges are viewing V&M as the inferior team.
I'm surprised by how relatively low D&W's scores at U.S. Nationals were. Given those marks, I do think V&M have a shot to win another world title but they have to get their heads together and try and ignore what has been going on for the majority of the season. I think that the SD performance at the GPF might have been due to the pressure and whats being said off ice.
They should go to Christopher Dean so he can give them the same choreography he gives to Jane and himself in show programs. Which is the same choreography he did for SOI group numbers, Samuelson/Gilles and Gilles/Poirier.
Few are as original as he. They can't get away from Marina fast enough.
Bringing this quote from the previous V/M thread.
While I agree that the SD seemed to be working fine the way it was, I think no one really knows what, if any, feedback Scott and Tessa received about the SD from the judges. It could be that something was said to them by someone with influence and that it's not about Scott falling during the GPF. There are a lot of interesting assumptions going around, but we don't really know what's going on.
And I personally hope they never go to Christopher Dean. Maybe for an exhibition but not for a competitive program. I have no desire to see V/M looking like T/D.
i hope that they can skate well at 4cc and by well i mean, no falls, no trips and full levels. because worlds is stressful enough and i don't want for them the added stress of hoping it'll be the first time their programs truly come together all season. i want them to get that moment at 4cc and build on it.
of all our suggestions for a color change on tessa's sd costume, no one even thought of brown that meryl is now wearing. how about a pale blue or aqua?
just lightening up the mood here
as long as it's not neon... anyway, i've like her sd costumes all season.
funny, the title of the thread is all about needing shades because of the bright future.
anyone watch the gala tonight????
i did. same gala exhibition as gpf.
maybe tessa can wear something of a leopard print for the sd? rawr!
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