Golightly, thank you for quoting bournekraatzfan's post in the new thread. She, you and everybody else are spot on about how the difficulty within technical elements and movements V&M do keep going unrecognized. And these are things that make what Scott and Tessa do so difficult whether that difficulty is more obvious as in the Carmen program or more subtle as it is in the new FD. These are the things that place them above the rest of the field. Or at least these are things that by the rulebooks should be gaining them points. It's seems the crowds and judges have been condition to think difficult are only those blatant things that smack you in the face. The lifts with the changes in position (although V&M excel at those as well) and the spins but the rest; the things that you might have to look a little close to appreciate aren't appreciated. The ISU seems to be enouraging the skaters from all the skating disciplines to do little more than string together the elements; connect the dots. Many of the difficult connecting moves, skating with deep edges, being able to hold those deep edges throughout constant changes of foot placement and upperbody postition don't seem to mean much. It's why I was so happy and continue to applaud Jeff Buttle winning Worlds a few years back. IMO the judges got it right; not just the big tricks but all the inbetween movements as well. It reminds me of how once upon a time Dick Button, as he watched Lucinda Ruh spin (fast, centered and maintaining that speed through changes of position - different creative postitions) that things like her spinning wasn't counted enough. On a positive note, I've observed that with each viewing of the new piece, we notice the things that everyone has put into words more and more. I find with V&M's programs every time I see them something jumps out at me that impresses me with the difficulty inherent in those moves the more I watch. With Tessa and Scott being careful to pace themselves over the season, hopefully (I think) the judges will start picking up on all those things as well.