Virtue and Moir #38: Simply Timeless

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  1. Bue

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    I suspect you're right that Tessa and Scott may not want to stand in W/P's way, especially now that they have a shot at the very top. And as much as I just want to enjoy having them around, I'd rather they didn't come back at all than come back and be relegated down the rankings.
     
  2. girlscouse62

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    Very selfishly, I don't care where they are in the rankings. I just want to see them skate. Only three weeks until I see them in Van. :cheer2:
     
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    I feel the same. I also felt the terrible void left after the G/P, K/O, A/P era (though I did love D/S and DomShab and the Lithuanians−whom I always wanted BETTER results for−to some extent as well). IMO, the quality of pure ice dancing was really lacking at this past World's. Especially with so many Russian teams splitting as well (in the end, I had become a true fan of I/K), I am feeling very deflated about this coming year or two of ice dance. Though I was very excited to see the level of Hawayek/Baker at Junior Worlds.

    On another topic completely, I am wondering if there's any way for an American to watch old episodes of the Tessa & Scott show. I looked for it on DVD at Amazon.ca, but no go. I would have ordered it, no matter the price! I guess they are not making it available. Does anyone know of a way to see it?!
     
  5. The Observer

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    Well, it was broadcast here in Canada on the W Network (which used to be called the Women's Television Network in its early days). It's possible that the network or company that made it will release it on DVD later this year. It hasn't been that long since it's been broadcast.
     
  6. flowerpower

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    I think it's available on iTunes.
     
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  10. professordeb

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    I don't think Tessa & Scott need to worry about who may be bumped off should they return. They are simply the best ice dancers. If the other Canadian dance teams want to be on the podium, then they need to step up their game so they too can step up to the podium. I don't think V/M should have to consider how their return might affect other teams. It happens.

    Would those of you who think V/M should just retire already think the same of other skaters in Canada -- make way for the younger (or not younger) and less decorated teams just so said teams have a chance at the podium. Should D/R and M-T/M retire from pairs cause you know, they are getting older and in the case of D/R they already have multiple World Medals. Should Patrick Chan retire permanently because of all the medals he's won? Guess we can't pick on the women because they are both young and haven't won much of anything ... yet. Then there's S/S of Germany who stayed 4 more years in hopes of getting Olympic gold in 2014. Should they have left after 2010 just because they were getting older and had a pretty good resume?

    Those other teams should be grateful V/M stuck around and helped to keep three spot available for Canadian teams to participate at Worlds. If not for V/M and W/P doing as well as they did at last year's Worlds, it's quite likely that one of P/I or G/P would not have been going to Worlds this past season, with the possibility that neither would have gone. I'm not in favour of telling a skater to retire just to make room for others, especially when that skater is still so very young and could still offer the sport so much more. They have been trend setters and I could see them doing so even more should they return to competitive skating.

    I don't buy the theory that "I" should turn over the reins to another just because "I" been at this for quite some time and am very decorated. You want my spot then you better earn it.

    BTW, that old thing about not allowing a country's #2 team to win anything if their #1 team is still competing -- not buying that theory.
     
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  11. girlscouse62

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    THIS!!! I so totally agree prof. And if CoP truly works and there is no fixing, how can anyone be "kept off" the podium?
     
  12. pani

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    OK. I think VM skating will made ice dance better. I think they could a lot off things to do with some epic choreograhers, there are a lot off music they could use, they are young. So i want to see more and if they want to do 1 more season or 4 more seasons - i will be happy.
    And why they need to retier just because of another team from Canada? Its not like DL, who were team leader and VM will come from juniors and it were understanding, they will overcome DL soon. We are talking about the same age or older teams. If they are best - nothing could keep them from this. If VM are betst - they will win.
     
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    Does anyone have the new interview with Tessa and Scott that is in the latest IFS magazine?
     
  14. The Observer

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    Well, it seems to have been like that in recent years with dance. I'm not sure the judges at Worlds would have allowed W&P to get on the podium at Worlds last month if V&M were there too. There's never been 2 Canadian dance teams on the World podium at the same time as far as I know, and V&M will probably take this into consideration in not wanting to stand in W&P's way.

    But it also depends on how they feel physically (eg. Tessa's legs, Scott's back & neck, etc.) They were able to overcome those injuries and skate 2 beautiful clean programs for the final individual event, but they may not want to go back into that competitive environment again. Anyway, I guess we will find out over the next few weeks!
     
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    Tried that, but no.

    Thanks, I will try these.
     
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    honestly quite a bit prettier than kate middleton :shuffle:
     
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    Could you tell us when you think W/P deserved to be on the podium? Which year? How were they underscored? You're also forgetting the Shibs who were somehow placed third at 2011 worlds. And D/W passing B/A in 2010. It might be true that it's a little more difficult to get results when you're the number 2 team but it isn't impossible, maybe it'll even drive you to work harder and become a better team. The idea that one of the best teams ever should step aside to not be in the way of a much weaker team is ridiculous. This isn't a case of a stonger team being stuck in second because they're waiting their turn, there's a large gap.

    The implication is that V/M should leave because they've had their turn and it's not fair that they're so good that W/P can't beat them and are stuck as Canada number 2. But that's the way this sport works. Sometimes there's lots of talented teams from one country and it's hard to even get out of nationals, sometimes you're the only team in your country that's good enough to make it to Worlds. I happen to think W/P have lucked out by skating in a weak era, so it evens out. And no matter who your favourites are, I don't understand how anyone could think we need fewer talented skaters, both in Canada and at world-level.
     
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    Yes if anybody has scans from this article or anything, it would be much appreciated.
    I agree. I don't find Kate Middleton all that.
    Yea if VM do decide to retire I hope they're not taking WP's feelings into consideration. It's not VM's that WP weren't allowed on the podium before (if that's the case). I don't think the observer likes VM because it's obvious they really want Tessa and Scott to retire.
     
  21. Twilight1

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    I kinda thought W&P were jobbed with their Je Suis Malade. I totally thought they should have been on the podium that year (2012) Their OD was fabulous and so was their Free. Even Krylova was crying at the end of their skate that year.
     
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    That's not true at all. I've never said anything negative about Tessa & Scott here. And I did not say it was V&M's fault that W&P weren't on the podium before. I was simply one of several people explaining the reality of the system we are faced with. There is a certain hierarchy in the dance world, as well as the political aspects as to how many teams per country are allowed on the podium. And this is something that smart and experienced people like Tessa & Scott understand.

    I don't think it will be the main factor in their decision, anyway. They had already been thinking of retiring for many months now. They skated two clean, beautiful skates in Sochi and were undermarked by the judges. They also have been experiencing injuries. So there are many reasons why they may decide to retire. All I said was that they may consider the situation of their friends W&P as an additional factor among many that they consider.
     
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    Anjelica crying every time after WP FD :) She love them! Great to have coach, who show truth love to you and what you are doing on ice.
    Every season Canadian fans talking about WP are better, then VM. And in 20112 were the same. And i remember Scally interview in Nice, when he said - people came to me and said WP were better, then VM. I rememeber Camerlengo at Natinals said - the problem is my team only second ranking in Canada.
    I cant imaging something like this will happedn in USA.
    For me it will be sad, if TS will not compete only because they need to open a door for WP. Especially now, when ice dance field is so poor.
     
  26. forthewin

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    Does this seal the deal we are afraid of? They are going to retire?! The show is at the end of July and in China. I think if they are going to stay next season, they will not take the offer. Good for them to get invited, but sadly we may not see them next year.
     
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    Pretty much look like it. It's such a pity. Though they deserve a break. Who knows? Maybe along the way they will feel the itch and make a comeback.
     
  29. parapluies

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    Really? I remember Anjelika was asked "How it feels to be so close to the first team" at Nationals and she apparently said something like "We were never close" even though the scores are close.
     
  30. flowerpower

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    From that interview, it sounds like they are really looking forward to a more relaxed schedule over the next few months, and are in the process of figuring out how skating will continue to be part of their lives, without rushing it. It must be an exciting time for them - just 24 and 26, with the chance to explore many new opportunities.

    They have said before that to stay at the very top requires a competitive fire, and that's true regardless of who the competitors are. Considering how pleased they were with their Olympic performances, and that they've accomplished everything in the sport from a medals perspective, I'll be surprised if they decide to continue, but I think it will come down to whether they feel that fire. Right now, it seems that they're eager to explore new horizons (they've described it as the "the year of saying yes"). They deserve it, after so many years of discipline and sacrifices.
     
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