Virtue and Moir #38: Simply Timeless

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  1. The Observer

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    Yes, if V&M had gone to Worlds, G&P would have stayed home this year since they were 4th at Nationals. But in order for the other Canadian teams to move up, it can't really be done if V&M stay. W&P would probably not have gotten on the podium if V&M were at Worlds, and it will be harder for G&P and P&I to move up the standings next year if V&M come back because one of them would have to stay at home.

    One of the realities about the judging system is that they usually only allow one team per country to get on the ice dance podium. As we were saying in another thread recently, it's probably not coincidental that W&P were not 'allowed' to get on the podium until V&M were absent. I think V&M know this and will want to help W&P to succeed them as the #1 Canadian team. It also allows the younger Canadian teams of G&P and P&I to move up the Top 10 again next year.
  2. flowerpower

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    This is true, but as a long-time ice dance lover, I'd really like to see the best. I will greatly miss the quality of V/M's technique and skating skills.

    There isn't much incentive for teams to develop the subtle qualities of top-level ice dance that are no longer really valued in the judging system. That's why I'd selfishly like V/M to stay, though I imagine they are ready to move on to other challenges in life.
  3. puglover

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    Yes, the reality is setting in for me too. It will be interesting to see where ice dance will be at the end of the next 4 year cycle.
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    I think it wont be interesting to watch without V&M and all the other Russian teams splitting :(.
  5. The Observer

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    Not necessarily. Worlds was interesting in a different way last month. :) It may not have had V&M and D&W, but we got to see some new teams on the podium (W&P and C&L). That probably wouldn't have happened if the top teams had been there. We also got to see our younger Canadian teams of G&P and P&I move up the standings.

    I'm sure we'll see some more good Russian dance teams in the years ahead. It looks like the I&K split was for the best if they were having so many problems. So it may turn out better this way.
  6. parapluies

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    True but there was still something missing even if V/M's impact was still there with that team UoC FD inpired by V/M's UoC (and with Kaitlyn's shout outs to Tessa). & I was not specifically talking about I/K but the other Russian teams. I just heard that Ekaterina Ryazanova split with her partner :slinkaway. I/K's split made things interesting but now B/S are going to be the undisputed top team for Russia.
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    Yes, look like she texting or watch something on her phone. Maybe Joannie and Caro sitting next to her :)
  10. The Observer

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    Now that the judges have finally 'allowed' W&P onto the World podium, I think V&M will be happy to let them take over in their place as the new #1 Canadian team. But we'll have to await V&M's official decision over the next month before we know for sure. The new National Team and international assignments will be announced in a few weeks time, so we'll find out then.
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    Hey everyone, just a quick note to say that I have a spare ticket for SOI Hamilton on Saturday 3rd May. I had tickets for myself, my brother and his girlfriend and he's split up with her so we've got a spare ticket. It's not on-ice but it's quite a good seat - is there anyone here who'd be interested - I don't expect to get full price for it, but I'd like it to go to a good home (ie a Tessa and Scott fan!) PM me if you're interested!
  12. Zazy

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    W/P never deserved to be on the podium before this year. I know they have a crowd-pleasing style (especially to North Americans) but you have to look at what's actually happening on the ice. That said, I don't think V/M are coming back next year, or ever. The next Olympic cycle will probably be the weakest ice dance era in ages, sadly.
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  13. The Observer

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    It might not have the superstars like V&M and D&W and their close rivalry with each other, but that was kind of a special thing that can't be replicated in each era. I'm still glad to see our other Canadian teams moving up the ranks. V&M have left dance in good hands in Canada - we were able to get all 3 of our teams into the Top 10, and that's a testament to the legacy they have left us. :)
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    Were any VM performances on the Japanese tv broadcasts?
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    We won't really know what this next quad will look like and retrospectively stating it will be lacking is like you have some kind of looking glass and can foretell the future.

    The only quad that lacked in my lifetime anyway was 2002-2006. I can honestly say outside of B&K winning their lifetime achievement gold, Navka & Kostomorov were the only team worth noting and that is pretty sad.

    I am interested to see how everything unfolds with the pick-a-partner Russian teams.

    Love the SOI Japan pics thanks for posting!
  16. Bue

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    I would be totally, totally OK with this :D

    I'm still holding out a sliver of hope that the the door might still be slightly open... maybe a year out and then a return for one season.
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    Same with me - the worst quad for me was 2002-2006 exept 2003. And after 1998, after epic competition between KO and GP, ice dance become less exiting and even FP-M won gold at WCh.
    I think in next quad we will see some new names on podium (from juniors) and maybe new teams (Siniticina-Katcalapov and Iliynih-Zhiganshin). I dont think this quad all will be about CL, WP , BS and CB. But will see.
  18. The Observer

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    I understand. ;) It makes sense that V&M fans would like to see them back again.

    But there is kind of a hierarchy and protocol with regard to rankings in ice dance. And the judges often don't 'allow' the next team in a country to move onto the World podium until the current ones retire. So I think V&M will be reluctant to stand in the way of W&P now that they have moved onto the world podium. The judges might also punish V&M for coming back, and we don't want to see that either.

    Some of it will also depend on how Tessa & Scott feel physically, too. Tessa has had injuries to deal with in her feet for several years, and Scott had back and neck pains this past season. So I think they'll decide which type of skating shows or competition life works best for them. :)
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    I don't care about GP or PI. If VM coming back means either GP or PI are bumped off the podium, then so be it. Apologies to them and their fans.
  21. Bue

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    I suspect you're right that Tessa and Scott may not want to stand in W/P's way, especially now that they have a shot at the very top. And as much as I just want to enjoy having them around, I'd rather they didn't come back at all than come back and be relegated down the rankings.
  22. girlscouse62

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    Very selfishly, I don't care where they are in the rankings. I just want to see them skate. Only three weeks until I see them in Van. :cheer2:
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    I feel the same. I also felt the terrible void left after the G/P, K/O, A/P era (though I did love D/S and DomShab and the Lithuanians−whom I always wanted BETTER results for−to some extent as well). IMO, the quality of pure ice dancing was really lacking at this past World's. Especially with so many Russian teams splitting as well (in the end, I had become a true fan of I/K), I am feeling very deflated about this coming year or two of ice dance. Though I was very excited to see the level of Hawayek/Baker at Junior Worlds.

    On another topic completely, I am wondering if there's any way for an American to watch old episodes of the Tessa & Scott show. I looked for it on DVD at Amazon.ca, but no go. I would have ordered it, no matter the price! I guess they are not making it available. Does anyone know of a way to see it?!
  25. The Observer

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    Well, it was broadcast here in Canada on the W Network (which used to be called the Women's Television Network in its early days). It's possible that the network or company that made it will release it on DVD later this year. It hasn't been that long since it's been broadcast.
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    I think it's available on iTunes.
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    I don't think Tessa & Scott need to worry about who may be bumped off should they return. They are simply the best ice dancers. If the other Canadian dance teams want to be on the podium, then they need to step up their game so they too can step up to the podium. I don't think V/M should have to consider how their return might affect other teams. It happens.

    Would those of you who think V/M should just retire already think the same of other skaters in Canada -- make way for the younger (or not younger) and less decorated teams just so said teams have a chance at the podium. Should D/R and M-T/M retire from pairs cause you know, they are getting older and in the case of D/R they already have multiple World Medals. Should Patrick Chan retire permanently because of all the medals he's won? Guess we can't pick on the women because they are both young and haven't won much of anything ... yet. Then there's S/S of Germany who stayed 4 more years in hopes of getting Olympic gold in 2014. Should they have left after 2010 just because they were getting older and had a pretty good resume?

    Those other teams should be grateful V/M stuck around and helped to keep three spot available for Canadian teams to participate at Worlds. If not for V/M and W/P doing as well as they did at last year's Worlds, it's quite likely that one of P/I or G/P would not have been going to Worlds this past season, with the possibility that neither would have gone. I'm not in favour of telling a skater to retire just to make room for others, especially when that skater is still so very young and could still offer the sport so much more. They have been trend setters and I could see them doing so even more should they return to competitive skating.

    I don't buy the theory that "I" should turn over the reins to another just because "I" been at this for quite some time and am very decorated. You want my spot then you better earn it.

    BTW, that old thing about not allowing a country's #2 team to win anything if their #1 team is still competing -- not buying that theory.
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  31. girlscouse62

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    THIS!!! I so totally agree prof. And if CoP truly works and there is no fixing, how can anyone be "kept off" the podium?
  32. pani

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    OK. I think VM skating will made ice dance better. I think they could a lot off things to do with some epic choreograhers, there are a lot off music they could use, they are young. So i want to see more and if they want to do 1 more season or 4 more seasons - i will be happy.
    And why they need to retier just because of another team from Canada? Its not like DL, who were team leader and VM will come from juniors and it were understanding, they will overcome DL soon. We are talking about the same age or older teams. If they are best - nothing could keep them from this. If VM are betst - they will win.
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    Does anyone have the new interview with Tessa and Scott that is in the latest IFS magazine?
  34. The Observer

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    Well, it seems to have been like that in recent years with dance. I'm not sure the judges at Worlds would have allowed W&P to get on the podium at Worlds last month if V&M were there too. There's never been 2 Canadian dance teams on the World podium at the same time as far as I know, and V&M will probably take this into consideration in not wanting to stand in W&P's way.

    But it also depends on how they feel physically (eg. Tessa's legs, Scott's back & neck, etc.) They were able to overcome those injuries and skate 2 beautiful clean programs for the final individual event, but they may not want to go back into that competitive environment again. Anyway, I guess we will find out over the next few weeks!
  35. Messalina

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    Tried that, but no.

    Thanks, I will try these.
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    honestly quite a bit prettier than kate middleton :shuffle:
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    Could you tell us when you think W/P deserved to be on the podium? Which year? How were they underscored? You're also forgetting the Shibs who were somehow placed third at 2011 worlds. And D/W passing B/A in 2010. It might be true that it's a little more difficult to get results when you're the number 2 team but it isn't impossible, maybe it'll even drive you to work harder and become a better team. The idea that one of the best teams ever should step aside to not be in the way of a much weaker team is ridiculous. This isn't a case of a stonger team being stuck in second because they're waiting their turn, there's a large gap.

    The implication is that V/M should leave because they've had their turn and it's not fair that they're so good that W/P can't beat them and are stuck as Canada number 2. But that's the way this sport works. Sometimes there's lots of talented teams from one country and it's hard to even get out of nationals, sometimes you're the only team in your country that's good enough to make it to Worlds. I happen to think W/P have lucked out by skating in a weak era, so it evens out. And no matter who your favourites are, I don't understand how anyone could think we need fewer talented skaters, both in Canada and at world-level.
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  40. Shayii

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    Yes if anybody has scans from this article or anything, it would be much appreciated.
    I agree. I don't find Kate Middleton all that.
    Yea if VM do decide to retire I hope they're not taking WP's feelings into consideration. It's not VM's that WP weren't allowed on the podium before (if that's the case). I don't think the observer likes VM because it's obvious they really want Tessa and Scott to retire.