Virtue and Moir 29 - Classical and elegant

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  1. Shayii

    Shayii Well-Known Member

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    What if they go to worlds and they don't win anyways lol. I'm still trying to figure out how to get to Canadians next year and now I have all these people scaring me saying its going to be freezing and it'll feel like I'm in a blizzard that time of year. For somebody that would be going from sunny California, I have no idea what kind of clothes you're supposed to wear for that.

    Welcome asianfsfan!"
  2. CatherineC

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    Hi everyone,

    Whole week I and Iggie have been working with my thoughts on VM free dance music choices. It was a pleasure to work with her, and I really appreciate how much time she spent on editing all of this. I'm really happy of what we both did, and I really hope you'll like it too!

    http://compulsorydances.blogspot.ca/2013/08/commentary-on-seasons-and-concerto.html

    She also made a post with my previous thoughts I shared with you guys, you can see it here:

    http://compulsorydances.blogspot.ca/2013/08/run-through-of-scriabins-piano-concerto.html

    Feel free to comment and! I'd love to hear your feedback! :)
  3. pani

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    Thanks! I need more time to read this and listen music, wich you choose. Thank you!!!!!!
  4. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I am honestly in awe of everything that you wrote. That is amazing. I find music theory so cold - I signed up for it in college and I dropped it after one class because I just didn't get it. What you have done is to make this music so relatable to me as a listener. :) You've taken concepts like tempi and major/minor key and actually made me understand how they inform the music. I love the idea that the music goes from "shy" to "brave" and the way you explained how this music only makes you think about the good things in nature. I feel like you unlocked all of those technical things and laid out all the emotions for those of us who don't know about music.

    I love that you were able to break down almost 70 minutes of music that I would normally say "yes, that's pretty" and really explain it. :)

    I think you are right, Scriabin will be the end of the program. I really can't wait to know which parts they'll pick now! Your post also gives me some perspective on how difficult it must have been to put this program together because they are in different scales and not parallel... I have no idea what that means, but your explanation was great. I also love how you talked about all their past programs as a comparison. Me, I just go by what sounds pretty... lol. I am glad you mentioned this ballet is usually "light" because I think that's what Tessa and Scott are going for this season in both SD and FD, to combat the heaviness of the waltz and Carmen.

    V&M are lucky to have such knowledgeable fans :40beers: No doubt they will put lots of love and care into this music/program.
  5. professordeb

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    A big WELCOME to you, asianfsfan. So happy you have decided to join the discussion about one of the premiere dance couples to ever compete. Looking forward to hearing more from you.
  6. Lissa

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    Was wondering what music they are using this year? Am trying to find posts about it but its still no clear to me? help please! Also is there a vid of them & their new routines?
  7. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    Welcome!

    The middle section is entirely devoted to the Finnstep compulsory dance patterns that every team has to incorporate into their SD. I think they're doing all they can with that section. ;)
  8. pani

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    After i read your comments and listening parts, wich you think they could use, i now better understand how this FD could look like, i like Glazunov more, then when i listening him first time. I think there is beautifull watzes and i like “Petit Adagio”.
    Tessa said Glazuniv will be at the begining and Scriabin’s “Piano Concerto in F-sharp minor" at the finale.
    Its amazing, how they could only 4 minutes from both musical parts. I think its VERY difficult. They are sich a hardworkers. I cant even imaging now how this music cuts will sound on ice. That why i love them - they bever choose an easy way.
    I can imaging Tessa-balerina in this FD :swoon:
    Catherine, thank you for help and its amazing how taleneted you are :)
  9. pani

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  10. apple123

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    This is great news. They must be working on the SD again. I can only see it gets better and better. How perfect it would be by the time Olympics rolls around, I can't wait to see their second outing.
  11. AsianFSFan

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    Thank you for such a warm welcome!:)

    Hi MissJD, my apologies for my literal mind ;)

    Speaking of Worlds, I was floored at what transpired last season. Carmen was absolutely captivating, daring and innovative. Not to mention, difficult. Regardless of how it was (under)scored, it was a program that made people take notice. Edgy and modern without compromising the expected elements, lines and edges. That season was nothing short of a travesty. I noticed throughout the season it wasn't that Virtue/Moir's scores weren't high enough...but that Davis/White's were grossly inflated when you compare what they actually doing. Plus, how on earth did this Canadian team get penalized with such a big deduction for something that i recall was so minute. Anyhow, I'm still scratching my head on that one...

    Last season, it felt like there is full force to undermine this team. It felt like a popularity contest rather than winning based on the merits of well executed elements, lines and edges. Let's not forget the twisles! Now, I am to believe that a hop going into one is rated higher in difficulty than 3 twisles - done in unison while maintaining constant speed and direction...and coming from one element into another? Boggles the mind....

    My two biggest concerns this season are:

    One, I recall somewhere where Virtue/Moir are distinguished as artists and Davis/White as athletes. However, with the Olympics coming up and emphasis on what makes a strong athlete, etc, this aspect is coming into play. I feel Virtue/Moir will be (unfairly) regarded only as such (by the very same forces who hope to undermine them)...when actual fact/evidence show that they have THE combination of athlete AND artist in their field. No doubt!

    Two, will we go through a repeat of the judging between these two teams yet again - where the Canadian team will be scrutinized and penalized for every minute unmet expectations in GOE and PCS in comparison to that-should-be-good-enough-pass score card to the American team? It's not just unfair to the Canadian team but also other ice dancer teams who actually deliver their best GOE and PCS...

    Pretty sure, I am stepping on someone toes especially with that last question/comment ;)

    As to their new SD, (if evident from their CD in 2009), they have the most natural and believable Finn Step (on skates) I've ever seen. I don't have problem with them executing that pattern in particular. In the Muskrat ramble section, they did a lot of multi directional movements and great change of close holds while maintaining speed. All difficult made look easy...but somehow, I'm just not feeling it as much I did at the music parts to "Heaven". Again, it's just my opinion. Feel free to disagree ;)
  12. Sonata

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    AsianFSFan, I love your description of Virtue and Moir. They have the perfect combination of athleticism and artistry, which is why they are so respected by the ice dancing community. To me, they are the epitome of what ice dance is about.
  13. Emdee

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    Its great that we have both you and AsianFSFan as part of our group.

    I also have some concerns about marking ( both over and undermarking as the case may be) and appreciation for the difficulty of their programs.
    However, this being their last season I am just going to enjoy each skate of theirs and not upset myself.
  14. pani

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    Like Zhulin said about his teams SD - who care about dance, they need to made all key-points and get level 4 :D
    I think they will work more now on pattern dance. So will see, who it will be look like at next competition. I think with Jean Marc they now re-working the last "Cheak to cheak" part. And maybe working on Finnstep characters. Compare to levels at SC last season they improved a lot in this August.
  15. pani

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    Agree. You know, i re-watched this SD maybe more times, then last season both programs (usually i like to watch live competitions more). And i enjoy it every tme i find new nuances every time i watch it. And this time i feel happinest of Tessa in this dance, her light skating, her body moves is something to die for.
    So i am happy i could enjoy this SD without ever nerves. Hope the same will be with there FD. But who knows.
  16. AsianFSFan

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    I agree! As you all point out, it may be their last season (so :()...I am going to savour this season's programs and cheer them on :cheer2:
  17. AsianFSFan

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    That's true :) Yes! Looking forward for great fine tunings in the coming months (all key points & level 4's)
  18. MissJD

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    Well I hope they don't rework the ending pose! I looooove it! So cleaver with the cheek to cheek. I bet the judges didn't even get it! I also hope they keep the twizzles. They're swoon worthy!
  19. Shayii

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    Are those VM on the pic on the wall? I forgot my glasses at home, but it seems to me that's a couple skating? Is it?
  21. aka_gerbil

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    They're both drawings/paintings of no one in particular. The bigger one further back on the beige wall is definitely a drawing of people dancing. I can't see the feet of the smaller painting on the blue wall, but I'd guess it's of people dancing.

    There was another picture of JMG's arrival in Detroit a bit later. I think maybe the photo from early this morning was from another session.
  22. pani

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    O, now i am thinking- maybe it was old photo with Tessa and Scott? Look like he arrived to Detroit later and he will work with them on ice at Arctic Edge
  23. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Glad Jean Marc is back. As successful as their debut was, I'm pleased to see how they never rest on their laurels. They're really putting in the work. :)
  24. Shayii

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    Yes me too. Who's gonna supervise though since Marina isn't there.
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    I hope Tessa and Scott get scored fairly in Canada this year. I still don't understand the low scoring at nationals the past two years. I believe it sent a message to the world judges that did not help Tessa and Scott, especially last year.
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  27. iggie

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    :) it was great working with you too. i hope to work on a few more pieces, so if anyone is interested in writing on the music choices, please contact me.
  28. Emdee

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    What better time to have some privacy....
  29. CatherineC

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    Thank you both very, very much for your warm words, Cherub721 and Pani! I really appreciate you for taking time and reading it!

    P.S. Pani - yeah, now we know that they'll end their program with Scriabin, but my essay was done before the article came out, so I didn't know that at the time :)
  30. Shayii

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    Well somebody said they spoke to a dance judge who told him V/M and D/W are never at the rink at the same time anymore and there's been tension. I have no idea if there's any truth to this.
    I know you already know this, but I thought your posts in iggie's blog were so well written and informative. I listened to all the parts you outlined in my car when I was stuck in traffic yesterday.
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  31. pani

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    So they will see each other programs at competitions first? Sound interesting :)
  32. parapluies

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    Great post! Makes me more appreciative for Scriabin especially the Allegro Moderato part where the piano goes crazy :p Makes me wonder if V/M are going to use that for the ending. Seems like they want a more epic or dramatic ending this time.
  33. clarie

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    Catharine C. I was extremely impressed by your blog and your knowledge of the pieces that Tessa and Scott are using this year. I won't get a chance to actually listen as I'm on holiday right now and away from my own computer (where I'll be able to enjoy in private). I'm hoping this is not their last year competing but if it is, this sounds llike the perfect vehicle to say goodbye and thank you to their many fans. I'm so looking forward to seeing them at Nats, your description of the music has heightened my expectations that this will be a program to remember.

    I'm happy to see some new fans popping in here and sharing their thoughts. They are always welcome
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    CatherineC, I am also impressed with your blog and details. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have no doubt Tess & Scott will live up to the many expectations. Their skills are incredibly. Please keep sharing your knowledge with us.
  35. AsianFSFan

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    Wow! Like claire, That article was truly profound, CatherineC. When V/M first announced their music choices for FD, I couldn't really"see" how. Now, I have a better understanding since you have conveniently break down the music parts. Thank you :)

    V/M has always impressed me with their waltz performances (I.e. 2010 worlds CD, 2011 SD) So, it would be gratifying if this season's FD would have that combination of waltz and ballet feel...

    Quote from blog:" ...we’ll even see shades from their other dances, such as fragility from Valse Triste, true love from Umbrellas of Cherbourg, modernism from Pink Floyd, perfection from Mahler, passion from Mujer Latina, enthusiasm from Funny Face and madness from Carmen."

    This made me quite excited to see if indeed the FD turned out as you've written! (All of those programs were truly mesmerizing to watch)
  36. Lety

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    What you wrote was amazing, Catherine! I already told you this, but I really had to take sometime to add my admiration along with everyone here.

    This really touched me, because you wrote many things I also think. Reading it made me very happy!

    Congratulations once more! : D
  37. pani

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    So, Jean Mark twitted he if already in Canada. Interesting to know, what did they change in SD
  38. CatherineC

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    Thank you all VERY, VERY, VERY much! I'm so happy that you all enjoyed it! :) I'm so glad to be part of this community! I mean, you're always so nice and grateful! Thanks for your comments, they make me smile ;)
  39. parapluies

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    I honestly can't wait to see the changes and improvements V/M made to the SD!
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    Now that we've had a view of their SD I'm am looking forward to seeing their FD.