Virtue and Moir #28 - Something In The Way You Move

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  1. Shayii

    Shayii Well-Known Member

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    Lol I'm pretty sure they were joking Doris. (Except Carmen, nobody can convince me that was just a coincidence, but I doubt C/L had anything to do with that, that's all Igor). Anyways C/L are one of my favorite teams too.
     
  2. Emdee

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    I too like CL. And I think it was spite and did them a disservice.
     
  3. DORISPULASKI

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    I also rather think the Carmen was Igor, not C&L, and I was sorry to see it. I'm very fond of C&L, not to mention P&B. Whoever wins the 3 Oly medals this year, I'll be sorry for the ones left out.

    D&W don't need C&L to use their music though. ;) They already have Sinitsina & Zhiganshin (in the last 3 seasons, Samson & Delilah, Phantom of the Opera, and a tango, but not one D&W used.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruslan_Zhiganshin#Programs
     
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  5. pani

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    Doris. i know this. :) And Vika have such elegance and beautie :swoon: I wish S-Zh will be in Team Russia in next season.
    And i was joking about DW music.
    But for sure Igor did so much pressure on VM this season. But hope after they lost gold medal at WCh he left them along :D
     
  6. lola10

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    I don't see the point in listing who did whose music. Quite honestly, there is always at least one tango program each season and the other two belong into the category "Figure Skating war horses".
    Carmen belongs there as well, still I think it was unfair from Shpilband to give this music to Capellini and Lanotte. For sure Capellini/ Lanotte had no idea that Virtue and Moir are using it but Shpilband might have. In the end, it did not help them. Their Carmen was nice, but that's it! A lot of critics and commentors saw Virtue and Moir's Carmen as far suprior for the simple reason that Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir became their character and it was a masterpiece in its conception, choreography and performance. That is why extremely happy that they work with Jennifer Swan again, she goes the extra mile with them.
    Shpilband might consider his next move carefully so his skaters do not look inferior again.
     
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  7. pani

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    BTW, in 2011 CL used th same music with DW "La Strada" for FD and at the end DW chage there FD to DF.
     
  8. parapluies

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    Yes! It almost seemed like he was trying to sabotage C/L by giving them Carmen.
     
  9. ~tapdancer~

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    Sabotage? Hmm, they were 3rd in the FD. Pretty good, I'd say.
     
  10. DORISPULASKI

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    True. I mean who would expect C&L to have an FD scoring higher than 3rd place this last season? I think Carmen did very, very well for C&L.
     
  11. Shayii

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    I doubt that was his motive. He was most likely expecting a different version of Carmen than the one V/M presented and probably hoped people would pan that version, while praising the one he made for C/L. Anyways I wish there was current news on Tessa and Scott.
     
  12. Emdee

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    Was it Igor's politicking?
    Was it the fact that p&B and W P were not 100%?
     
  13. pani

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    I think T-S maybe will go to vacation soon. So maybe we will have news in best case in August. And maybe some photos from golf competition from Ilderton.
     
  14. pani

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    Shpilband did Carmen for C-L (and they said after SC he said them change FD to Carmen in summer) for use VM choreo for it. Then VM must change there FD in August. And not only change, but made it more difficult. Thats all.
    Dont forget, B-S too third place at WCh. Emdee, what do you think about BS perfomance in FD at WCh?
     
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    Oh thank you, that was like on cue with my request. At first I was going to look up the price of the Greta Constantine dress, but I don't think I want to know lol. And I'm thinking the fundraiser they're going to talk about is the golf one.
     
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    I believe Shpilband's choice of Carmen for C&L had more to do with trying to aid D&W last year. It successfully deflected attention away from the V&M / D&W comparison and onto V&M / C&L. It also forced V&M to change their choreography in mid-training with the result they weren't sharp in their first outing and seemed never to have quite caught up with their training mates. It was actually quite a clever manoeuver on his part.
     
  19. pani

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    Thanks to him - with his help we had chance to see masterpiece FD. He pushed VM to show there full potential, there different artistic side, to work with another choreograhper, to show more difficult transtions. So maybe he worked for VM? Maybe it was a plan to stimulate them to do more, then they did before? Because there coaches know, what they could to show, so it will be sad, if they will never try to create this "Carmen".

    Hope for next season they know, what to do and will not change nothing. And will not try something what judges ask to do.
     
  20. parapluies

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    I know that's why I said seem.
    Whoa! and some of you guys want T/S to move to him?

    " She was photographed at the Heart Truth Fashion Show (an annual event that raises awareness about women’s risk for cardiovascular disease). "

    Can Tessa get anymore awesome :swoon:
     
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  21. Emdee

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    I think B-S have come a long way in a year. I think they deserved their position.
    Likely Wch in two years IMO.

    To tell you the truth I was so afraid and upset for TS that I scarcely looked at anyone else. I had to come home and see the performances.
     
  22. Macassar88

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    I agree about BS. Zhulin has done wonders with them. Can't wait to see how much better they get after the summer.
    Hopefully they and Tessa and Scott will be at Finlandia this year!
     
  23. geoskate

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    That's my wish for them this season also, especially the second part.
     
  24. lola10

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    I think we were rather talking about the general perception of the figure skating world than the reaction of the judges. They made it pretty clear, they favour a traditional Carmen.

    Thank you so much and they look so happy. And Scott Moir really has many different facial expressions.

    And beautiful, it is truly unfair.

    I hope that as well. A lot depends on what they really want, if they want to win another Olympic Gold Medal than they have to listen to the judges and try to find a balance between Carmen and their very elegant, easy-flowing skating (I mean in the sense of Funny Face or Mahler). Their last season should be the most fun one for them (which might be impossible since it is the Olympic season)
     
  25. pani

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    I am not sure/ CL didnt get all 10th for choreo, like VM :) ((9,96).
    Another question - NDP get the same mark for choroe with Carmen. And i am wonder, why nobody (i mean specialists) pay attention to this ;)
    And there is only one mark in PCS, wich show how skaters skate there program today - perfomance. So i am wonder, why all agree with this situation in ice dance. We didnt see the same in men skating (for example).
     
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    I just think that, if Virtue and Moir would have been the only senior Ice Dance Team skating to Carmen, their program would have had a different impact (on the judges). Same goes for Capellini and Lanotte: they would have had a better impact, if they got their "own" program without the constant comparison.

    Regarding the marks for performance: I have no idea. I doubt there will ever be scoring system that sufficiently covers all. Part of the system will always be the impact you left from former competition, the judges know the scores and maybe saw the recent competitive skates, so they know where you are most vulnerable. It is all about creating momentum with those judges.
     
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    I am talking to myself right now, but hey!

    This lovely Youtube-Uploader was so kind to post the CBC-Backstage clips from Nationals and Worlds as well as the Fluffs (including one about London from which PJ Kwong has posted pictures last summer): http://www.youtube.com/user/belladonna137?feature=watch

    I hope you all have a nice sunday and way better weather than we have in the Netherlands!
     
  29. pani

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    Thanks! I didnt saw this before :) Wish to see warm-up before FD to...
    We have raining weather in past few days.
     
  30. Emdee

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    Today is a beautiful sunny day but I am down with a huge cold and meanwhile the weeds are growing like weeds outside.