Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by rainbowkisses, Mar 18, 2013.
To everyone going to CSOI, have fun! And take lots of pictures please!
I thought about going to London since Patrick will also be there but things are kind of crazy around here. Winding down hockey and gearing up for lacrosse. Le sigh ... what's a figure skating fan to do
Guys this article was posted on FF (thanks canadablue) and it breaks down the free dances that utilized modern dance this season. It's by Jacquelyn Thayer and it's an interesting read: http://stepsequences.blogspot.ca/2013/03/modern-and-contemporary-dance-2012-13.html?m=1
This was an interesting read. It really shows that doing modern dance or concepts in a routine is something new and a stretch for the current sport of ice dance. It also shows how the judges did not award points for this type of originality as we saw with W/P scores in the GP season. For them to get high marks, they really had to rework their routine to make it more technically dominated. still, W/P FD still remains one of my favorites of this season. V/M were the only ones with the technical prowess to deliver this type of complexity and manage to get the high scores they got. I sometimes forget that very few teams break the 100 point mark in the FD and even though V/M did not get the astronomical marks they were hoping for, Carmen still was their second highest scoring FD of their career with FF being the first. I think next to Mahler, this will be the most talked about FD of their career and of ice dance.
I think only V-M including the low center of gravity movement in there moderm dance. Maybe i am wrong. But i feel like two other teams could find this ballance betwen modern dance and skating for showing reall modern dance.
Thanks for the link. It was an interesting article. Of course, it didn't hurt that she spoke about two teams that I happen to adore
Just come to say - Happy Easter to all, who celebrate!
Happy Easter all as well.
Happy Easter/Resurrection Sunday to all!
Carmen GIFs collection:
Courtesy of the Tumblr blogs of ohyeahvirtuemoirgifs, tessavirtueandscottmoir, pudgybear, delightedheart, and Parapluui. Thank u people!
Carmen Curve Lift
Carmen Combination lift (first part)
Carmen Rotational lift
Choreographic lift 1st edition.
Choreographic lift 2nd edition.
Original Carmen Spin GIF set
Freedom vs possession, into the third section
First look at Carmen FD
Hope the links work.
And just because I LOVE the PF lifts.
2009 FD Pink Floyd
Let's vote for the one we want to be recycled. It's a long off season. We have to find ways to amuse ourselves.
Thank you, Sahararainfall! Good to remember how we first time saw "Carmen".
And this last SS was die for. Sad they need change it.
I hope they understand, how amazing this FD is.
As for recycling. I think they will use some lifts from "Carmen" with some modification.
I love first one. But look, like judges didnt.
P.S For me work all, exept http://220.127.116.11/25.media.tumblr....suhno4_250.gif
Wow thanks for putting that together Sahara. I'm sad that they weren't allowed to keep the original SS and the spin (I blame SC for the removal of the spin). Also I know everybody loves the serpentine lift from PF as I do, but I actually love the curve lift more!
Also I had the same problem as Pani. Those two gifs she posted didn't work for me.
Thank you for the gifs! It's interesting to see the lifts and elements in more detail and in a neverending loop haha. As for the links that don't work, just delete the first sequence of numbers until it starts with "25." or "24."; that worked for me.
No problem. I actually was meaning just to collect the GIFs related to lifts, but the list just grew and grew! Lol! I am sure I miss a few more.
I think the links not working are from this gifset.
Ok this might seem like a weird question, but in the opening sequence of Carmen after Scott does the kick and he pulls Tessa back by the arm, do you guys think he grabs her arm a little too hard? Obviously they're in character, but I always think ouch! Or maybe it just looks like that lol. http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos/2013/01/08/virtue-moir-12-12-08.jpg
Have you seen this? I thought ouch too first time I noticed it but I am sure it doesn't hurt.
I notice this at WCh
Yes, he does and my bet is that's intentional, too. He has to. They are presenting Don Jose as the abusive male. In psychology, that grab is a red flag to identify an abusive relationship.
I never saw that one! Lol as Scott would say…intense!
I actually never thought of that, but it makes complete sense, thanks.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are they the first couple to show the abusive nature of Carmen and Don José`s relationship? Because all the Carmens I've seen in dance either try to romanticize their relationship as a Romeo and Juliet tragedy or try to pass frantic flailing arms and sour faces as choreography.
I think they showed a lot of nuances about carmen that most people would not get. Tessa said it herself that there is meaning behind the moves that not many would catch up on but it's important to them.
You be the judge:
Krylova & Ovsiannakov
Oh my god what am I watching
You're watching a legendary 'Carmen' program. Yes, it might not be your taste, but that doesn't make it bad. That program/choreography was meant to be exaggerated and even grotesque. But, just like Tessa and Scott's program, not all people can understand something like that .
Looking at those gifs (thank you so much!)... I see Pink Floyd in show lighting... where is that from?
I even appreciate Tessa and Scott's Carmen a million times over. The power struggle between the two characters and the general dynamism of their relationship wasn't as apparent to me as it is in T/S's version. But they might have been going for a different interpretation. In regards to parapluies question, I would say Tessa and Scott nailed that aspect of displaying the volatile relationship between Don Jose and Carmen.
Yeah Krylova & Ovsiannakov version doesn't really focus on Carmen and Don José's relationship. In my opinion it focuses more on Carmen and Don José as individuals.
I think K&O's Carmen was very interesting and fresh take. Well fresh compared to other Carmen programs but it's clearly based on Mats Ek's Carmen he did for the Cullberg Ballet. Just watch to see the body movements and interpretation similarities in both pieces.
So it doesn't show Carmen in the "Romeo and Juliet romance-tragedy" sense which I would say is the only similarity between K&O's and V&M's.
I imagine that was the implication the poster above was trying to make. But other than that the programs are nothing alike. V&M goes more for the raw sexuality, coldness and manipulative relationship and it can relate to the dynamics of any abusive relationship. Mats Ek was more about the madness from my pov.
Yea, I think I agree with this.
And this. The programs are so different and that's not to say K/O's version was bad, but I really appreciate Tessa and Scott's commitment to making every movement in their program have a meaning and the modern dance elements they incorporated in there.