Virtue and Moir # 27 - ROAAAAAAAAAAR

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  1. Shayii

    Shayii Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if it made Tessa loose character for a split second lol.
    Does it even matter, it's not like it would be appreciated (sarcasm). But seriously though I do hope they continue to be themselves, push themselves, and push the sport even if the judges don't care.

    I'm glad all of you had a great time! And thanks for sharing your impressions with us.
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    Self doubt can be a very difficult thing to overcome You can be the greatest at something and everyone can see it, and tell you a million times over but if you can't let yourself believe it and if you lack that confidence, the negative always creeps in.
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    true. She mentioned in her book how the injuries made her question her abilities as an ice dancer. sad:(
    That's why I love how Scott builds her up constantly. The shoulder squeezes, the "awesome!" after their EX at 4CC.

    absolutely. I really hope she can overcome this.
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    I agree with you. I think that's what happened these past few weeks after 4CC. The ending of this season has been a roller-coaster for them, physically and emotionally. All the more reason to be proud and content (or at least at peace) with what they've achieved in London. However, I'm afraid that, just as her chronical condition won't go away, her fears won't either. I hope she manages to conquer them next season. And I also hope Marina stops discussing her condition with the press, for goodness' sake.:mad:

    Pani asked me in the previous thread about the reaction of the press to Carmen. (I presume you mean the FD performance, Pani, right?) People were happy for them, especially the Canadians, who had been devastated and terribly disappointed after the SD. Actually, on Friday morning, the SD result was all everybody talked about in the media zone. Beyond reporting the facts and performances, they all knew how important this competition was for Tessa and Scott and they felt so bad for them. Everybody also knew the chances of winning were almost non-existent, but I think they never lost hope entirely. And of course Carmen didn't disappoint, although it wasn't to be a win.

    ETA: Also, people I've talked to today seemed to think that their plan for next season is to do something interesting, but "not try to push the sport so much". In other words, play it safer. Because, frankly, the risk hasn't payed off - in terms of results, I mean. Of course their legacy is greater now, but those judges who hand out the medals, and who will hand out the OGM next year, don't seem to care about originality. It's more or less what Scott has already stated.
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  5. Carmen Ovsiannikov

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    ITA. I watched V&M's performance I don't know how many times over and over last night and a few times I just went back and watched that Roaaaaarrrrr moment. For me that set the tone for the entire program. V&M were on fire and owned that piece of choreography. I won't even get into the marks at the moment but V&M ended the season with the best performance of Carmen of the season.

    That's the closest Tracy has come not just all season but in general to saying that V&M deserved better marks. I can imagine what she thought after that Roaaaarrrr performance then seeing the marks.

    That was one of the most incredible performances I've seen in a while. Tessa and Scott really bought it. I hope someone sends them a tape of themselves and if ever they are feeling a little bit insecure, play it back for them.
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    I agree about Tessa's confidence, but I also think it improves when Scott is around and encouraging her (ie, the pep talk this competition!)
    I think that this upcoming Olympic season this will be a focus.
  7. rainbowkisses

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    I don't remember if i said this
    but the look of love in scott's eyes after he tells her they are going to "destroy this" makes me all warm and fuzzy inside <3
    I don't understand how anyone could think that scott is controlling tessa
    and the people who call scott arrogant have to understand that he is doing this for tessa. he has to be overly confident for her.
  8. tapper88

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    Did he say "they'll destroy this" before the FD? I must have missed that line. So sweet :)
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    I don't understand it either. I love that Scott can be encouraging, supportive, (Edit: I actually meant to say protective, but that works too) and caring all the while not making it seem like Tessa's some weak damsel in distress.
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    I forgot to say how great is the thread title! I first heard the mighty roar at practice, the morning of the FD, but since other couples kept getting in their way, and Scott kept screaming at them, I didn't even imagine it was part of the "scenario".:lol:
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    :lol:
    This, all of this Scott is awesome. He makes me emotional sometimes the way he is with Tessa. It's crazy but I think it's so lovely and unique.
  13. Shayii

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    It kills me that she lacks confidence when she's so freaking phenomenal!
    In what version of the FD did he say that? And lol that he has to be overly confident.
    Oh so it was intentional all along? That's awesome.

    I love this thread.

    Macassar what are you subscribing to?
  14. rainbowkisses

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    he specifically says "we are going to DESTROY this"
    and then idk what he said afterwards to her and i wish i knew because it was probably something amorous/loving and you can tell that just by looking at his eyes
    its so obvious that he loves her (and i dont mean that kind of love)
    i wish i could read lips :(
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    I love this thread, too. The discussions are interesting and intelligent and I always learn so much from you all, and I love that we can celebrate and feel sympathy for other teams in this thread as well:)

    I just wanted to bring this over from the GSD (I hope you don't mind, Gerbil). I thought it was an excellent post and it is unfortunate that thoughtful explanations like this are being dismissed as overzealous ubering:

  16. Shayii

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    Have you found pics of the gala by any chance?

    Melissa, agreed! Sometimes I feel like we have to be overly careful what we say cuz we don't know who will take offense to it or think we're crazy. It's a shame cuz there's so many good analysis to be made.

    Watching the CBC coverage with Tracy Kurt and Brenda and what the hell were I/K thinking with this ghost program--can't stop laughing.
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    rainbowkisses, I transcribed most of the pep talk last thread but I think I missed that part! Did you see what I heard? After multiple viewings mind you ;)

    Agreed, they love each other so much (even if not romantically!)
  18. Shayii

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    My friend and I are having a text argument over the results from Worlds and I'm trying to make her see what I'm seeing, but I just feel exasperated. Not sure how to explain to her so I'm asking for a bit of help. Here's what she said (I have her permission btw):
    She also said it looked like D/W packed more moves into their program, so felt it was more entertaining and made Tessa and Scott's seem slower. She finished it off by saying this is why she should probably watch pairs instead of ice dancing, lol.

    Also I have to say she watches skating like maybe once a year (if at that), but I really wanted to hear what she had to say. I told her we should agree to disagree cuz our friendship is more important lol.

    ETA: She just told me she'd love to learn the about the artistry side so she can properly critique the two [teams].
  19. pani

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    Thank you!
    :( Al this journalists. I thought from the first quate from PC they will go into modern direction and nobody could chsnge this, but....
    At there level why not to take risk? Especially if its no matter, what they will doing, cuz D-W will have 10th with any kind of progam? Why not to work on history? :D
    Maybe now Charlie need to "try to push the sport so much" and try to made Scotts last lift. Why if they are so athletic, they couldnt do something loke V-M combinational lift and rotational lift?

    As for Tessa confidence. I am not wonder after 4CC/ Not because she get injury, but because nobody from the slaters support her, like they did with Keithlynn, Fabian, but look verry angry with T-S didnt get dedaction and could did this lift again.
    So its like one person support her - Scott. (i mean in FS). So how could she be confident?
    And i feel sad journalists didnt talked about how NDP could win over Carmen :lol:
    Hope now all is happy with there dream champions.

    Shayii, i understand your friend. She didnt watch D-W every year and she didnt know, they re-cycling there "puting moves" from year to year. And T-S removed a lot off moves from original "Carmen". So i am not wonder :)
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    Shayi, thank you for sharing the discussion with your friend. It's an essential point in the debate over the two.teams and how they are perceived, at least by a portion of the audience. It's great that she's willing to learn more about the artistic, deeper side of the sport, so that she can make a proper comparison. Many people aren't. However, beyond the fact that you need to have a little bit of knowledge to.understand why Tessa and Scott are once in a generation talents, we live in the age of the fast and the exciting, and there's no doubt M&C fit the mould better. Regretably, we've just received proof that the things that used to set apart the absolute best don't matter anymore and that striving for originality won't get you any reward. Which is a damn shame for the skating discipline that should encourage that as well, instead of just counting the number of mohawks or choctaws a skater can do in ten seconds.
    At this point, with their rivals having the momentum and the advantage, I admit I'm not too optimistic about T&S's chances next season. They would need the undivided attention of their coach and full support from Skate Canada. They're not going to get either, probably.We might as well enjoy their last competitive season and cherish them for the fabulous ice dancers that they are.
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  21. PEZazzz

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    I agree I found it so annoying that everyone was in their way. Especially during their rotational lift it got a little crazy. Marina was yelling but Scott and Tessa kept going. During their warmup before competition Scott and Tess just went and did their thing and yelled for people getting in their way. I like the roar because it probably released some tension in them.
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    ROAAAAARRRRRR!!!! :mad::angryfire::EVILLE:

    Thank you guys!! Best thread title evar!! :):);)
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    OK, I'm a SciFi nerd so here's what I wish I could do for Tessa.

    I love Star Trek and in one episode, Spock did a mind meld with the others in the landing party so that they would all believe with a certainty that the bullets were NOT real. If you had any doubt, and one hit you, you would become injured or even die. So, since Spock was able to use his logic and ensure he would be fine. However, we humans aren't built that way so Spock melded with the others and they all lived "happily ever after". :D OK, so that's the background.

    First, I would take all the positive thoughts/hopes/prayers/confidence etc etc etc from the V/M fans into me. Then I would perform a mind meld with Tessa to put all that good stuff into her mind so that she would have absolutely NO doubt that SHE is the best female ice dance of our time. She would know, beyond all certainty, that she can out skate, out perform all others and that she has the best partner in Scott. That way, when Scott tells her such, she'll be able to agree with him and KNOW he's right.

    OK, back to reality and what IS it with people who think they have the right to continually try and bash into those two? Trying to psyche them out? Won't work with Scott as I'm thinking it only makes him more fierce.
  24. aka_gerbil

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    :( This makes me so very sad. This season should have set V/M up for next year, not permanently put them behind. They are a once-in-a-lifetime sort of team and should be rewarded as such. I'm sure that someday, people will look back and say WTH, but V/M deserve to be recognized and properly rewarded for their abilities.

    I'd just hoped they'd get a fair chance next year. Even though S/S didn't have a great season and were 2nd at worlds this year, they are still co-favorites for gold next year. No one thinks that Yuna and Patrick are untouchable. It seems like it's just V/M who are screwed.

    I know this is petty, but if that's the way things are going to be next season, I don't think I want to watch.
  25. pani

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    For me its interesting, what they want to show next season :) Hope something they will enjoy.
    Have you, guys, ideas fro Finnstep?
    I think Anisina was in similar situation in 2001. And Belbin in 2009. So i hope, T-S will not focusing on the past, but will enjoy the future. I think medals isnt everything in life and they had all medals already.
    I more interetsing in art now.
    Ioana, was both juniur Moirs girls at arena or only one? :D
  26. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I want to see them doing a drop dead gorgeous foxtrot. I believe the allowed rhythms are quickstep, foxtrot, charleston. The one they did in 2005 was so pure - in fact it was one of my fave foxtrots even though they were juniors. Imagine what they could do now. :swoon: Their charleston in 2009 was lovely too; I loved how they carried the character of the ice even through the twizzles and lifts.

    My ideal thing would be for them to tell a story in the SD, sort of in the vein of Up! In Up! they are able to tell the story with no props except a rag and Scott's glasses. Even without lyrics, the story is so clear. I think the Russian fans like that kind of thing, at least from what I have seen of Averbukh's show. They do a lot of little vignettes about different love stories, especially with a retro twist.

    However, it seems the ISU doesn't like that so much in the SD, so it's probably best to emphasize their speed by doing quickstep, foxtrot, and ending on either charleston or quickstep. Classical ballroom, classic fast-slow-fast figure skating. I love pure ballroom too, so that wouldn't be disappointing at all.
  27. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    It's always good to bring a new fan into the fold. ;)

    I think she's pretty clear that it is her opinion, she's acknowledging she does not know which team is better in a figure skating sense, so that's cool. I think, if anything, it would be good for you to point out that V&M are equally athletic to D&W - that just because what they do doesn't look as hard, doesn't mean it isn't. She might still prefer D&W and that is fine, but at least it would give her a better understanding.

    I would point out that in ice dance, the technical elements are basically the athletic part, and they are measured by levels of difficulty. In the FD, D&W and V&M had the exact same base value, so their programs were judged to be equally difficult. I would also point out that V&M's lifts were all new, and it requires a great athleticism to do that because the old lift positions are already in their muscle memory. The lifts are also extremely dangerous and lifts with the jumping action, twisting action, and high center of gravity they do are very rare. In fact, some people suggested they might be illegal (you might wanna show her the goose lift with the jump exit, illegal for ice dance).

    I liked this article, too http://espn.go.com/olympics/figures...meryl-davis-charlie-white-win-title-ice-dance
    Errors in their short dance left them trailing by 3.25 points, a sizeable gap by ice dance standards. But they weren't going to give up their title without a fight, especially not in front of all their fans.

    Their "Carmen" was steamy and colorful, so much so you could practically see the blood pouring from her by the end of the program. They were always in time with the music and, as it grew, so did their movements.

    The last 40 seconds of their program was downright frenetic, highlighted by their final lift sequence. Gymnasts would have been impressed with the backflip she did into his arms before he boosted her onto his shoulders and then spun her around.

    Without even a second to catch their breaths, they immediately went into another lift, where she appeared to die in his arms.

    "These are performances to build off of," Moir said. "We're looking forward to a big year next year and coming out on top."
  28. pani

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    So, did Tessa-Scott said something about WTT in interview for CBC?
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    I think it's safe to say they're not going. Scott said the next plans are to get some rest and then begin working on the new programs. Probably also an exhibition for SOI, like they did last year. I'm glad they're skipping WTT. They need a break right now.

    In answer to your question, only Danny's little girl was in the arena. Everywhere you went, you bumped into one of the Moirs. Carol Moir was always there coordinating the volunteers, Danny too. One morning I stepped into the press center and Scott's father greeted me so wamly, even though I was a perfect stranger, that it put a smile on my face. They are all lovely people.
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    I hope they do part of Carmen in SOI as one of their numbers.
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    Thank you! :) Its look for me, like americans will not go to WTT too ;)
    I think they need new number for CSOI, right? And yes, they need rest. And need to work very carefull.
    They need to learn group numbers for CSOI, right?
    Moirs :D
    [​IMG]

    I think in Nice this was another woman with this little girl :)
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    Thanks everybody that replied to my inquiry. And thanks Ioana for your reports. It made me sad though when reading your post about Tessa and Scott possibly not having a chance next season. If that's the case what's the point if they're just gonna get screwed over? I'm just not comfortable with the situation in Canton. Even Marina looked seriously worried/stressed in the K n C with both V/M and D/W; I did feel bad for her at that time because it looked like she knows she can't truly make them both happy. I'm sure she loves them, but it's impossible to give both teams her absolute best, so I wish she would let T/S go.

    Pani I get confused with the babies too. There's always only one with them at a certain time (can't say I blame them babies are a lot of work lol). But Danny is the oldest brother right?
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    aww i guessed i missed that post! the thread went by so fast!

    anyways i went back and read it and i do hear him say "lets do this". scott pronounces his sibilants very audibly!
    i still cannot find out what he says after he says "we are going to destroy this" :(

    the only way v/m can lose next year is if the usfsa buys d/w the gold medal again :lol: but its going to be hard for the usfsa to politik when the russia federation/russians prefers v/m over d/w

    and if d/w win again they are not going to be received warmly
    unless meryl also has family in russia :lol:
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  36. aka_gerbil

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    Shay, I also ask myself what's the point if they're just going to get screwed over. I'm making another infamous analogy to showing cattle. My dad has always talked about how dumb he thought it was of certain people to keep showing some of these cows who have won national/international level shows past their prime. "These people just mess around and they get the cow beat. What's the point. Go out on top." If this is either rigged against V/M or what they do isn't valued, what exactly is the point when V/M have said that their goal is to win everything they enter? Yeah, yeah, I know "push the sport forward" but this is a sport that clearly doesn't want to be pushed forward. They want to go backwards. So, on either aspect, what V/M are doing is sort of pointless, is it not, if neither goal is achieavable.

    ITA that Marina can't make both teams happy and since she clearly seems to prefer D/W these days, the best thing to do would be to let V/M go. I think with Igor they could possibly have a shot.
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  37. Shayii

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    Amen sista! This is what my friend said about training with your rivals:
    (I'm the one that told her about the rival dating the coach's son lol). Anyways I just don't see how this can work and next season is just gonna be more crazy and stressful.
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    its such a shame though that meryl always seems to get tessa's sloppy seconds.:lol:

    btw pani are you planning to go to sochi?
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    You're so bad lol. Has anybody seem any banquet pictures?
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    lol i know
    to quote scott, "now you all got me fired up!" :EVILLE:
    i wont be surprised if charlie's mom lurks fsu and i wouldnt be me surprised if she harasses my inbox :lol:
    its enough that i have d/w ubers clogging my inbox
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