Virtue and Moir # 27 - ROAAAAAAAAAAR

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  1. zilam98

    zilam98 New Member

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    i do agree with it. and posters should stay consistent with using initials, and not flipflopping between the skaters' first name initials and last name initials, especially with team disciplines (ice dancing, pairs). it can get confusing and that's something you want less in this thread when people's emotions are on the edge.
  2. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

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    Nahhh.

    anyways heres a gif of scott shaking his butt from that new yuna kim documentary in which i had more information about :(
    http://25.media.tumblr.com/b651b1ff8d082145134962b72b755cf4/tumblr_mk78j9y74n1rr3320o2_250.gif

    eta: I just realized how :rolleyes:it would be to hear d/w being introduced as the current world champs heading into the olympics. but then I realized it doesn't matter because they would be overshadowed by the introduction of the current olympic champs :rofl:

    its quite sad thought how our current oly champs keep overshadowing our recent world champs :lol:
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  3. icefan1005

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    I think the Russian audience will be very delighted to see V/M in Sochi.
  4. nuge

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    I don't know about that . If you are a true ice dance fan you will know who's being talked about :p:lol:
  5. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

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    yep!
    I hope pani is going:lol:
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  6. PEZazzz

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    Well good seats for the Olympic FD event are 600 CDN dollars...you never know...Canada to sochi anyone?
  7. pani

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    I will not go. To spend so many money to see first OGM for americans :D
    I thought about Team competitions, but now i am not sure. Maybe better to watch on TV.
  8. DFJ

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    Lost faith already pani? Goodness. The pressure is off V/M and on D/W. It will be interesting to see how they handle it.

    Tessa and Scott have their OG already. They can now go out and skate their hearts out in what will be their last season.
  9. lauravvv

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    Right. I personally understood that nuge was talking about Nathalie/Fabian, since she was talking about P/B to begin with :). But it's easy to see how people could be confused.
  10. Emdee

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    I too will be staying home and watching.
  11. pani

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    Just thinking about myselves. ;) I tired to see how Zouve Ego play with federation and with the bst ever ice dance team. If SC dont care and support D-W and made PR to them, i dont want to see V-M repeat B-A way to there secons OG.
    Plus i dont care about Team event medals. And dont think V-M need to help SC to get one.
    As for D-W. Al was done for me already - they get more tens, then other skaters ever get (even more, then Chan, Kostner and Kim). So they are better even then T-D, G-G never had so many 6.0. So what are you thinkg about? They won with very bad FD, so with something a little better, they will have all 10th and could fall 3 times. And they never get injuries, illness and alwayse run with max speed (in your opinion) so there fans are rights - they have OGM already.
    And honestly, this season WCh gold for me were much more important, then something could happened next year.
    Didnt you think it will be so great - the same medals with D-W, OG medlas, like W-P, D-R and Osmond will have in Sochi :D
  12. kittysk8ts

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    Well said and good points. This is what I truly hope for them.
  13. professordeb

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    I am kind of looking forward to next season, although it will be bittersweet. I am sure that whatever Tessa & Scott choose to skate to, I will love.
  14. Proustable

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    If V/M recycle lifts, I'd love to see that serpentine lift from Pink Floyd again, particularly in a balletic context. Their lines in that lift are just jaw dropping. If they could do the Goose as a choreographic lift, that would be cool too. Or the Latin Trio curve lift as a choreolift!
  15. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    I keep going back and forth on this. Recycling seems to be the way to go, but are V/M allowed to recycle?
  16. PEZazzz

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    good point.
  17. Proustable

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    I think they'd be fine.
  18. iggie

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    gosh, if know how i write posts here, you know that i edit them a lot. i keep editing until someone replies and quotes me and i have to stop. but when i have my own blog, it gets ridiculous. anyway, i'm writing two pieces of commentary. one about the short dance articles and the other about the competition results (though not really the marks). i've edited them a lot and i may not be done. besides changing my mind endlessly, thinking about how much i want to say, i'm also a poet so i'm always playing with these words and trying to say my ideas better. here they are though. on my blog, i normally just link to stuff, but if my worlds section is going to be filled with gifs of v/m beaming and articles of them being so nonchalant, then i feel compelled to keep it real. the official story is normally sufficient, but not this time.

    excerpt from the results commentary:

    now, not only have they (and skate canada and the canadian media) moved on and there's no drama to be found here (with no one challenging the fact that meryl and charlie, a team that is quite frankly known and loved for their uncontrolled, fast and athletic style of ice dance, won the free dance only on pcs and goe's, marks for quality, detail and artistry) . . . but within minutes, they could say with the most genuine of smiles that they're "proud" of london, had a "great" week and will use this experience in sochi. the hometown angle is reduced to simply mean that they were "lucky" to have had the opportunity to skate worlds minutes from where they were raised. it was "nice" to skate in front of the people who've supported them from day one (because it's apparently rare or something). out of all their losses, they've certainly had worse. and in the end, what happened went beyond the marks, medals and anthems. if one moment can capture it, it was when they stood by the boards before they went out to skate the program that would inevitably earn the perennial champions silver. scott's face was bright, his eyes softly focused on tessa, while the crowd cheered them on in anticipation. "let's do it for us. it's you and me out there". but this hometown worlds was positioned as the most important competition for tessa and scott, second only to the home olympics. the afterglow of vancouver last for months, but the afterburn of london was non-existent except for a few unguarded moments in the kiss and cry post short dance. what gives?

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    excerpt from short dance article commentary:

    a year ago at nationals, tracy wilson was absolutely indignant with how the judges were marking tessa and scott and brought it up every moment she could. even though they won, you could tell tracy was furious with how the judges were systematically diminishing the asbolute mastery that tessa and scott demonstrate on the ice because the scores were far too low. on saturday, after reading from the current hymnal, she smiled and joined the refrain, telling us that these marks were a-okay. instead of giving a voice of reason to the shock, these articles, the official commentary from so-called experts, preemptively shut the complaints down and wrote the most insincere narrative to describe what happened.

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  19. Shayii

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    Misha I posted my thoughts on your posts in your blog. And I believe I agreed that with another commenter about why Tessa and Scott were more content with their loss. After the SD I mean we all saw it in their faces that they knew it was over, so I agree with you that they probably made their peace with it before the FD Saturday. I definitely wish they got more support from the media and SC and Marina said she doesn't care if they get second or first so I just don't know anymore.

    Anyways sahararainfall made this beautiful compilation of Tessa and Scott's senior FDs: http://midnightreignofjazz.tumblr.com/image/46357344608
  20. aka_gerbil

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    Iggie,

    I just read both of your posts. Your words are as beautiful as V/M's skating and dancing. Both resonated with me deeply. I had thought the waterworks, which have given over to rage as of late, were over with, but I'm sitting here with the tears pouring. I'm going to collect my thoughts and leave a few comments on your blog here in a bit.
  21. Shayii

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    :(. Both analyses were wonderfully written.

    ETA: Forgot to post this earlier, I do think their 13-14 FD (the question mark Sahara has right now) will be ballet.
  22. whoa

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    My mom watched the Worlds performance of Carmen today (her first time watching V/M) and she thought it was a gala piece - apparently the music wasn't dramatic enough for her! She asked why they were skating to such "light" music at an important competition. I can't decide whether this is a case of not knowing enough [ice dancing] music or knowing too much music.
  23. Golightly

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    Considering it's been used a lot, I'd say it's the former, Whoa. Heh, that's funny. My mom was worse, she was all: "They are, um, getting to know each other VERY deeply". To which I replied that they already know each other quite well and then she said, "Well, I sure hope so. She's letting him reach all the bases and then some." Sob.
  24. girlscouse62

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    I am 70 years old, not at all prudish, and cannot believe that people "see" Carmen as even vaguely questionable. I am constantly changing channels on prime time TV because of all the sexual content. There are an immense amount of movies I refuse to see for the same reasons. Yet a lot of parents allow their young children to watch both movies and TV regardless of content. Very few people turn a hair at this sort of thing. I think people jealous of the abilities of Tess and Scott simply decided to trash them and for some reason even more people ran with it. IMHO, this young couple are simply the best thing to happen to ice dance , EVER! Even better than T/D. Of course, I'm not the least bit biased. :rofl:
  25. Cherub721

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    iggie, that was lovely. Thank you. I've also been meaning to tell you that the picture you're using on the banner is perfect. It embodies this week perfectly. I'm glad you saw fit to post your thoughts.. I agree with you completely, the articles don't do justice to how big of a shock Worlds was.
  26. rainbowkisses

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    http://24.media.tumblr.com/1a6f78ec574ab79cb058aca60ac0d21d/tumblr_mkb9jfTbzS1rnltoyo1_500.jpg

    this photo is just heartwrenching :( you can tell tessa is beating herself up

    :respec: you are awesome!

    i laugh at anyone who call v/m's carmen inappropriate because its them thats being being inappropriate. they need to get their heads out of the gutter and appreciate the difficulty of the movement.
  27. pani

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    I dont think they are allowed to recycle. Remember, what happened, when they used in Latin SD lift from Latin FD? And they they changed it because of low scor.
  28. aka_gerbil

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    Yeah, you're right. Recycling isn't allowed for V/M. Apparantly, they're not allowed to have new elements either. They may have an unsolvable problem here if they can't recycle elements or get new ones. The elements have to come from somewhere.
  29. rainbowkisses

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    someone posted this video http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=137084243140094 in a v/m fan group and because the choreography is similar to v/m's carmen it made me realized that maybe the people who call v/m's carmen dirty and inappropriate are only doing so to dismiss the difficulty of the dance.
  30. professordeb

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    I guess it depends on who is doing the recycling and of which element. Pity, cause there are a number of lifts that V/M have done that are outstanding and I wouldn't want to be the one to do the choosing. However, *knowing* (only as a fan) V/M, they aren't as likely to reuse an element in exactly the same way twice
  31. elle123

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    That serpentine lift is probably my all time favourite. I always thought it was a shame that we only got to see it a few times and not with a lot of training. I'd love for them to recycle it, or maybe even do some variation of it.

    Pani - I'm assuming you're referring to the curve lift? IIRC, they mentioned that with the SD pattern restrictions, it was too difficult getting the speed required to get the GOEs they would've liked for it.
  32. aka_gerbil

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    I thought the deal was that it was only getting a level 3 instead of a level 4.
  33. rainbowkisses

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    people who claim that v/m recycle lifts just like d/w ought to know that unlike d/w, the lifts v/m recycle (for example the goose and the lifts from the latin fd) never experienced a full season. meanwhile d/w have been doing the same lifts for 2 full seasons straight. there should be a small penalty for dance couples who use the same lifts for more than 2/3 seasons :lol:
  34. pani

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    Amazing gymnasts :)
  35. aka_gerbil

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    That is also my guess. I think the difficulty and complexity of that dance intimidated a lot of people, so they took the cheap shot and tried to call the program dirty and inappropriate.
  36. aka_gerbil

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    2, 3, or sometimes even more seasons than that.
  37. icefan1005

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    The double standard which seems to affect V/M out of everyone.
  38. Shayii

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    Lol. So what can they do? Sigh…

    Is the serpentine lift from PF the one where Tessa does a split position on Scott's foot?
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    I think it's the first lift where she hops into his arms horizontally. I LOVED that entrance. If they did do a ballet FD that lift (the entrance especially) would work really well.
  40. aka_gerbil

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    I'm not sure. They've got to have elements. *headdesk*
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