Virtue and Moir # 27 - ROAAAAAAAAAAR

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  1. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    I think nobody will take V-M. Yes, who want to ork with skaters, who have any kind of problems.
    I remember Lobacheva-Averbukh after 2000-2001 season, when they didnt get medak at WCh, asked TAT to work with them, she said - no, and L-A sta with Linichuck. Then they won silver at OG.
    And before OG, when they need to start working on next season programs now - i am sure this will not happened.
    Maybe next season V-M and D-W will have only 2 programs - one SD for both teams and one FD :lol: Or maybe will skate all together. :D
     
  2. walei

    walei Well-Known Member

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    LOL Pani wouldn`t that be interesting. Marina just go screw it I`m too tired to make two programs so you will all skate to the same thing :lol:

    Anyways I don`t think this has been posted here, this is the CBC version of the World`s FD. It seems to me Tracy knows exactly why Tessa and Scott are the best so maybe she should go talk to the judges or make Skate Canada talk to the judges.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Oa39Uojj0
     
  3. Golightly

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    I do like Tessa a bit better, too. That doesn't mean I don't like Scott, I do, but Tessa is pretty down to earth and she always tries to put people at ease when interacting with her. Scott is very goofy :D
     
  4. pani

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    Why she talk about judges during Gala? She need to do this after FD.
     
  5. Golightly

    Golightly Well-Known Member

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    Maybe the judges left the premises VERY quickly after the FD ;)
     
  6. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    L&A won bronze at 2001 Worlds. You're thinking of 2000 when they were fourth. 1999-00 was their horrible season. They remind me of V&M in some ways. When L&A got beaten by FP&M on the GP they changed their FD, then kept changing it. In the end they skated 4 different FDs! Sort of like how V&M continually kept changing Carmen in each competition. They try to work and let the skating speak for itself. I always admired L&A for working and not complaining about judging. Averbukh defended A&P when the vote switching thing at SLC came about, even though he and Irina only lost by one judge. I always respected L&A for not signing that petition against C&S as well.
     
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  7. professordeb

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    Watching that again and again, goosebumps and then sorrow. It really is a MASTERPIECE and I don't say that about many skates. It will be remembered long after they stop skating, I believe.
     
  8. Golightly

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    Gerbil, come to think of it, you are right. They never skated the same version and all were amazing.

    My favourites were three: Worlds, Nats, and Skate Canada. Yes, even with the errors.
     
  9. icefan1005

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    Here are some I've saved. These are not all I think because going through formspring sucks.

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  10. pani

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    I have question. What rythm could be added to SD with finnstep?
     
  11. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    Quickstep is one of them. I think foxtrot is another. I'll have to look it up to be sure though.
     
  12. rainbowkisses

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    SD rhythm options for Seniors are:
    - Quickstep
    or
    - Quickstep plus one or two of the following Rhythms: Foxtrot, Charleston, Swing.
     
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    The options are quickstep, Charleston, foxtrot, or swing: ISU Communication 1782
     
  15. Golightly

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    Thank you. Wow, he can talk figure skating when he sets his mind to it, I will give him that. What he says about Tessa is the same thing I've been saying time and time again. You cannot learn musicality, you are born with it. It is innate. You can have a dance background, but you cannot help the way your body is shaped. Tessa has very long arms and neck, her legs are those of a ballerina. The arch of her back is that of a dancer. You can't shape that. Sure, you can work on your muscle memory to better use your limbs, but some people are born with a body that is made for dancing. That's Tessa. Kudos to him for elaborating on that. Not many people do.
     
  16. CatherineC

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    Hey everyone! Haven't been there for a while, because my computer had a virus :(

    Anyways, how is all going and what's new for T/S?
     
  17. pani

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    Thank you!
     
  18. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

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    I cant believe im saying this but ITA with AJ here. dont get me wrong meryl is talented. just not talented in dance. and you can tell by that gif i posted she cannot dance latin.
     
  19. Golightly

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    As he says, she tries a bit too hard and she tends to oversell it, so it doesn't look natural. The lady is the face of the team, she is the reference. Always. In both pairs and dance. In any performance, they viewer will always look at the lady first, she is in charge of finishing each movement, of making a statement because, usually, the dance is told from the lady's POV. This doesn't mean that the man is just there. A skilled partner will always be a great presenter, because his skills are consistent with those of the lady. He also has to lead and lead well. Charlie doesn't lead Meryl and he certainly doesn't present her well as a male dancer would.

    With them, it's not so much about accents and pauses. They do not make statements with their movements; their limbs do not tell a story, so the movements are sometimes aimless: she reaches out to touch his chest, but it is over before it even begins. He lifts her, but her legs and arms simply move, but her fingers and her feet don't work harmoniously. During the step sequences, her hand on his shoulder is there to grab him and complete a step. He is faster, so she needs to take more strokes to compensate, but even then, you see they are just compensating steps, not a dancing step. They are straight-forward: they do A to accomplish B to then reach C.

    With V-M, each tiny little detail has a purpose. Look at the way she simply puts her arm on his shoulder, but see how she... I don't know how to say it in English, she just has a way of setting her shoulders and arms that bring such fluidity to her hands, so they are like a feather on his shoulder. That's a tiny detail that you would think matters very little, but when you see them move, that's what makes the dance so graceful from the waist up. That posture is NOT easy and hold it for 4 minutes, on skates, that's VERY tough. But she can and she does. And this is just an example. We could talk hours about the many details and nuances each V-M dance has. They don't skate from A to be to C. A must mean something and they deconstruct that meaning and tell you, "and this is why B happens", see the difference? Again, I am not sure I am explaining myself too well. It's hard for me to express these things in English, but to me, the difference between both this is SO obvious it's almost tangible.
     
  20. Emdee

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    You have explained very well indeed.
    I can see in my mind's eye those little movements that she makes that complete the scene and add to the artistry and the moment. Thats why some of us get annoyed with the changes over the term of the program. When they amend those details warranted for a good reason. Its the details us fans love.
     
  21. rainbowkisses

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    shame the isu doesnt care about details anymore
    its all about speed and getting your levels
     
  22. pani

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    Just want to say to D-W ubbers - Carmen was successful ;) Not only medals show this. I think TAT standing ovations mean much more and audience reaction - it was love or hate :D
     
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  23. professordeb

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    Golighty, very well put. I wish I were so eloquent. There is a really large difference in how the two women in these couples portray themselves. It seems to me that Meryl almost reaches out and grabs you to get your attention. Tessa, OTOH, invites you to come along with her. I think I prefer to be invited rather than grabbed.
     
  24. pani

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    This is interesting, International FS magazine call Zhiganshina-Gazhi FD innovative and it get fans appreciation. I am happy for Nelli and Alex ;)
    But feel sad - V-M FD didnt get any appreciation from journalists. :(
     
  25. PEZazzz

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    hey guys this is the photo album of meyers from fan forums. I feel a little bit hesitant sharing because i don't if this person has an account here or would mind anybody else looking but the forum is open to the public and that's how i found it so i guess there is no problem. Nonetheless let me know if anybody minds :) This is tessa and scott's friday practice before FD.
    http://s897.photobucket.com/user/Or...day/IMG_1822_zps2e66695c.jpg.html?sort=3&o=51
     
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    If I had an ISU vote I'd eliminate mandatory twizzles. I think they long ago ceased to add anything to the actual dance and the judging of them seems to be based solely on speed regardless of the tempo of the music. I'd also vote to allow teams at the Olympics to select the CD of their choice to incorporate into the SD. Bet there wouldn't be too many polkas.
     
  27. professordeb

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    Most interesting photo to me is the one where Tessa & Scott as well as Fabian are smiling at someone, not sure who? Can anyone figure out who it is?
    It is this picture
     
  28. Shayii

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    Nathalie?
     
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    I like them when teams like V&M do them, they actually change their twizzles to suit their theme and choreography. If twizzles were judged with that in mind they would be more interesting. Another team that comes to the top of my head are G&P. I'm still not over Vanessa getting dumped but they stand out to me as another team who actually varies them to suit their theme and choreography.

    But if you can do the same twizzles over and over in all your programs then they become as dull as dance spins.

    Looks to me like it's Nathalie Pechalet.
     
  30. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

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    this is my favorite pic
    http://s897.photobucket.com/user/Or...day/IMG_2272_zpsfcbf9276.jpg.html?sort=3&o=28

    :summer:
     
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